Dash's old ability in 1.0 says: "You may ignore obstacles during the Activation phase and when performing actions." Dash's new ability in 2.0 says: "While you move, you ignore obstacles." (https://youtu.be/M_cJyUKTRto?t=24m8s)

Sooo, maybe I am reading too much into the 2.0 wording, but I do not think Dash can perform actions on obstacles. Yes, while his template is down and he is moving, cool, he ignores those obstacles (Step 2 of Phase 3, page 6 of the Rulebook). But after you put Dash at the end of the template, and take the template away, if part of his base is on an obstacle, at least how it is worded, I would say Dash suffers the effects of that obstacle. He does not get to perform actions (Step 3 of Phase 3).

Right? I mean, his 1.0 ability expressively says "when performing actions," and his 2.0 ability only says moving. On page 6 of the rulebook, "Execute Manuever" and "Perform Action" are still seperate steps. Also, on page 15 of the rulebook, it makes clear there is a difference between "moving through" and "overlapping" obstacles. It sounds like Dash can move through obstacles, but I do not think he can ignore the effects of overlapping an obstacle.

So no more landing on an asteroid and barell rolling off for a shot. Right?

Unless "while moving" simply means Activation Phase, just like "evading" means having an evade token . . .

The wording on Collision Detector suggests so.

Hm, I hadn't caught this. So he can fly through an obstacle and not be punished for it, but he can't sit on one and get an action or shoot. That's actually quite the nerf and I'm not sorry to see it.

The only thing that stops you taking your perform action step after crossing an obstacle, is the effect of that obstacle whilst you were moving.

Being on a rock doesn't stop you taking actions, crossing one does. And Dash obviates that.

If you ignore the effects of obstacles while moving there is nothing preventing you from performing actions.

Yep, Fenn can still PS11 boost your ghost from a rock...done so multiple times

1 minute ago, Qraith said:

Yep, Fenn can still PS11 boost your ghost from a rock...done so multiple times

Wrong edition, get with the hype.

Where it gets interesting is he only ignores during movement. If you land on a rock at the end of your movement and go to barrel roll and land on another you have to walk it back and stay on the rock. And you get no more actions.

Or if your template while rolling overlaps the rock. In 1.0 that wasn’t a Problem now it could be

6 minutes ago, viedit said:

Where it gets interesting is he only ignores during movement. If you land on a rock at the end of your movement and go to barrel roll and land on another you have to walk it back and stay on the rock. And you get no more actions.

Alex confirmed at Euros that 'whilst moving' includes 'whilst boosting or barrel rolling'.

Expect this to be in the RR.

38 minutes ago, Praetorate of the Empire said:

Hm, I hadn't caught this. So he can fly through an obstacle and not be punished for it, but he can't sit on one and get an action or shoot. That's actually quite the nerf and I'm not sorry to see it.

Dash pilot 1.0 couldn’t attack while on an asteroid anyway. Unless he was using the Snap Shot elite upgrade during the Activation phase.

Good points! Yeah, boosting Ghosts off rocks, etc., very good example - and that does incline me to think Dash will still be able to take actions on obstacles! All asteroids do, after all, is make you skip your perform action step, thus Night Beast can still get his focus for doing a blue move onto an obstacle (I presume).

I was just wondering if Dash's ship physically ended up on the rock, if that was different. Because the heading in the Rulebook does say "Moving Through or Overlapping an Obstacle." Since Dash's ability only mentions "While you move," I was wondering if it only applied to "moving through" and did not apply to "overlapping." Because you can suffer the effects of overlapping an obstacle outside of moving -> for example, getting barell rolled onto a rock during the Engagment Phase.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

The only thing that stops you taking your perform action step after crossing an obstacle, is the effect of that obstacle whilst you were moving.

Being on a rock doesn't stop you taking actions, crossing one does. And Dash obviates that.

Anyways, yeah, I think this is correct. Good call.

So, a buddy of mine just pointed this out (though I guess it has been clarified Dash will work with Outrider Title . . . I mean, it is his ship afterall haha):

If Dash really 100% ignores obstacles, he could never trigger the second part of the Outrider Title: https://youtu.be/M_cJyUKTRto?t=26m22s

"After you fully execute a manuever, if you moved through or overlapped an obstacle, you may remove 1 of your red or orange tokens."

Haha, so yeah, techincally Dash will never trigger that xD - he never moves through or overlaps obstacles, he just ignores them all! It also, again, distinguishes between "moved through" or "overlapped" an obstacle. Anyways, I agree: I think the RRG will clarify a lot of this, and Dash will be a beast in 2.0!

8 minutes ago, HanScottFirst said:

So, a buddy of mine just pointed this out (though I guess it has been clarified Dash will work with Outrider Title . . . I mean, it is his ship afterall haha):

If Dash really 100% ignores obstacles, he could never trigger the second part of the Outrider Title: https://youtu.be/M_cJyUKTRto?t=26m22s

"After you fully execute a manuever, if you moved through or overlapped an obstacle, you may remove 1 of your red or orange tokens."

Haha, so yeah, techincally Dash will never trigger that xD - he never moves through or overlaps obstacles, he just ignores them all! It also, again, distinguishes between "moved through" or "overlapped" an obstacle. Anyways, I agree: I think the RRG will clarify a lot of this, and Dash will be a beast in 2.0!

Alex addressed this one as well. It works. You still moved through them, you just ignore their effects on you.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

The only thing that stops you taking your perform action step after crossing an obstacle, is the effect of that obstacle whilst you were moving.

Being on a rock doesn't stop you taking actions, crossing one does. And Dash obviates that.

<sigh> Well, at least he now actually has to pay for his ability.

its just a question of what ignore means:

If ignore means 'pretend the obstacle isn't there,' then neither the second part of Outrider nor Stunned Pilot trigger.

If ignore means 'ignore the effects of the obstacle,' then they both do.

Since it's not defined, it's kind of the TOs call? My guess, it'll probably be the second definition, since rumor is developers have said it works and it's dumb if Dash doesn't work with his own ship.

2 hours ago, jagsba said:

its just a question of what ignore means:

If ignore means 'pretend the obstacle isn't there,' then neither the second part of Outrider nor Stunned Pilot trigger.

If ignore means 'ignore the effects of the obstacle,' then they both do.

Since it's not defined, it's kind of the TOs call? My guess, it'll probably be the second definition, since rumor is developers have said it works and it's dumb if Dash doesn't work with his own ship.

Why necro this thread when there is a bunch already active on this very topic with current and up to date information?

9 minutes ago, Icelom said:

Why necro this thread when there is a bunch already active on this very topic with current and up to date information?

wasn't paying attention, I think the current one linked to it and i didn't notice I had changed threads.

So whats the final Verdict? If Dash sits on an Asteroid , does he get to ATTACK ? or NO??

6 minutes ago, topacesteve said:

So whats the final Verdict? If Dash sits on an Asteroid , does he get to ATTACK ? or NO??

No