5 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

Ugh. why no Juno.

Soontir Fel looks like gimmicky trash. I have no idea how they decided how to use bullseye arcs.

Ask Wedge. Oh wait...

31 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

Soontir Fel looks like gimmicky trash. I have no idea how they decided how to use bullseye arcs.

The one upside is that if he bumps he will almost certainly get his focus, so he’s a bit more bump resistant.

27 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

The one upside is that if he bumps he will almost certainly get his focus, so he’s a bit more bump resistant.

I had a 2nd ed practice game where I saw a bump on Fel coming a mile away and charged into it anyway, because only 1 ship would have a shot on me, and I could shoot it first to potentially strip it's token.

4 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

I had a 2nd ed practice game where I saw a bump on Fel coming a mile away and charged into it anyway, because only 1 ship would have a shot on me, and I could shoot it first to potentially strip it's token.

I am not really convinced that a tactical subpar choice of opponent makes Fel suddenly great again. You dont just block for blocks sake. You try to profit from it (usually by pointing the guns at the blocked ship). Or to avoid getting shot at by the blocked ship. Does not sound like that situation.

1 hour ago, beardxofxdeath said:

I am not really convinced that a tactical subpar choice of opponent makes Fel suddenly great again. You dont just block for blocks sake. You try to profit from it (usually by pointing the guns at the blocked ship). Or to avoid getting shot at by the blocked ship. Does not sound like that situation.

In that particular situation it was ship 1 Kturning to either block a low speed from Fel or get a shot on a high speed from fel, Ship 2 who was just out of range last round grabbing a lock on fel for torpedo, and ship 3 busy dogfighing Vader and missing an arc on fel (though he would have caught the high speed maneuver). Fel bumping meant he only took the torpedo, and with stealth device he rolled evade and 2 eyes, matching the torpedo roll only because he had the token from his ability.

2 hours ago, beardxofxdeath said:

I am not really convinced that a tactical subpar choice of opponent makes Fel suddenly great again. You dont just block for blocks sake. You try to profit from it (usually by pointing the guns at the blocked ship). Or to avoid getting shot at by the blocked ship. Does not sound like that situation.

Excellent meme sir

Agreed that Redline (probably all Punishers in fact) and Rexlar got big buffs. Not 100% sure on Jendon and the other Lambdas but they're certainly improved. Not sure I agree about Fel being worse though. I think we'll need to see how the game actually plays out and what he meta looks like. Attack power in general has decreased and Interceptors are still able to reposition extremely well, with Fel being the only one who can still get a token after a double reposition. We just need to wait and see how often the Bullseye arc comes into play and how big his decrease in defensive power actually is in practice. Remember too that his EPT has been freed up so he might actually be able to shoot properly in 2nd edition.

I think the TAP got a decent buff, especially those not named Inquisitor. 2 attack dice isn't such a drawback any more and they are the only generic Force pilots in the game right now, which looks pretty good. They might make good missile boats now.

11 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

She was a traitor anyways.

So was Vader, in the end

3 hours ago, Shoulder of Orion said:

So was Vader, in the end

Well, even the Emperor was a traitor to the Empire with his Operation Cinder, basically.

A big winner is the Interceptor chassis, along with bombers, punishers, and TIE Phantoms (they are becoming cheaper and can be flown in generics). The loss of lightweight frame hits strikers, the absurd price will hamper defenders, and Engine Upgrade reliant craft such as the TIE Advanced and Decimators will remind players that they are no longer as resilient as they once were.

4 hours ago, Shoulder of Orion said:

So was Vader, in the end

No he wasn't, he choose his son over his boss, he never fought for the rebellion. Rule the galaxy as father and son was still going to be on the table.

19 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

ship that's held together by the hopes and dreams of baby Ewoks

That's just perfect... made me laugh out loud. ?

18 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

Losers:

Advanced, reaper, defender (if cost rumors are true),

Lolno

Being limited to only two ships in a list does not make the Defender a loser, not when it is now the only ship in the game with native access to evade and focus. Not when it has the best statline of any small base ship, when it's gained a shield while a good number of ships have lost a shield in exchange for hull, when it's gained native boost and evade (to give it arguably the most complete action bar in the game) and a better dial. Not when Rexler Brath has retained high PS and had his ability heavily buffed from useless to great. Not when Vessery has retained his already very strong 1e ability in an era when so many pilots have had their power toned down to leave him among the pilots with the best offensive action economy in the game.

EDIT: Also

21 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

Losers

...

Soontir Fel - While he returns to the top of the pilot skill race, 2.0 is not kind to Fel. His ability is significantly worse, as it only triggers if he ends up with an enemy inside his bullseye arc. He's still flying a ship that's held together by the hopes and dreams of baby Ewoks, but without the ability to token stack.

16 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

Soontir Fel looks like gimmicky trash.

Has everyone forgotten that for the first time ever, Fel has his EPT slot open?

With PTL basically baked into the chassis, Fel can finally make use of other EPTs to capitalise on his ability. He is now one of the only pilots in the game capable of stacking a focus and evade token (it's just a little harder now), but now he can use Juke to token up and gain an advantage on offence. Or, he can take Marksmanship (which now works great with his ability) to give him that free attacking re-roll he's always wanted. Or he can use Daredevil to maximise being one of the only pilots in the game who can boost and barrel roll - he can gain stupidly good reposition ability. Outmaneuver, anyone? A Soontir Fel who, flown as Fel should be flown, basically gets Wedge's ability too?

Bombs and turrets are less of a threat to him, as are bumps. Stealth Device still exists. We don't know if his cost has been adjusted such that Hull Upgrade is viable on him.

Fel with his old ability, the Interceptor's now uniquely good repositioning abilities and uniquely open access to double actions and an open EPT slot would have been absurdly good in 2e. Can you imagine him getting an automatic focus coming out of an s-loop as well?

Holy ****, I ******* called it!

The phantom Test Pilot is a measly THREE points more than the Blue Xwing

The talent bearing Sigma with Juke clocks in at 50, is the same as the old ps 3 Sigma

For the cost of one red die, you get 1 hull, a far superior Stygium FO FREE, higher I, AND juke

Phantom reign inc

2 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

Has everyone forgotten that for the first time ever, Fel has his EPT slot open?

With PTL basically baked into the chassis, Fel can finally make use of other EPTs to capitalise on his ability. He is now one of the only pilots in the game capable of stacking a focus and evade token (it's just a little harder now), but now he can use Juke to token up and gain an advantage on offence. Or, he can take Marksmanship (which now works great with his ability) to give him that free attacking re-roll he's always wanted. Or he can use Daredevil to maximise being one of the only pilots in the game who can boost and barrel roll - he can gain stupidly good reposition ability. Outmaneuver, anyone? A Soontir Fel who, flown as Fel should be flown, basically gets Wedge's ability too?

Bombs and turrets are less of a threat to him, as are bumps. Stealth Device still exists. We don't know if his cost has been adjusted such that Hull Upgrade is viable on him.

Fel with his old ability, the Interceptor's now uniquely good repositioning abilities and uniquely open access to double actions and an open EPT slot would have been absurdly good in 2e. Can you imagine him getting an automatic focus coming out of an s-loop as well?

Well, now we know. Fel comes in at 52 points, or 26 points in 1.0 terms. His agility means he pays a premium for shield, hull and stealth upgrades, so you're looking at 67-68 points if you include two of those. Outmaneuver is another 6 points, putting him at 73-74 points.

That's a steep investment for a ship that's still effectively a 3/4/3/1 statline.

3 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

Well, now we know. Fel comes in at 52 points, or 26 points in 1.0 terms. His agility means he pays a premium for shield, hull and stealth upgrades, so you're looking at 67-68 points if you include two of those. Outmaneuver is another 6 points, putting him at 73-74 points.

That's a steep investment for a ship that's still effectively a 3/4/3/1 statline.

But if you take Predator, which arguably synergises better (and is what I meant to say instead of Marksmanship in my previous post - oops), he's only 69-70 points, or 34.5 - 35 in 1e terms which is still (only just) cheaper than his equivalent 1e build.

Hull and Shield Upgrade are subotimal on him anyway, IMO. Fel is waiting for a better modification to come along, and my guess is we'll see it when the TIE Interceptor 2.0 releases.

Based on the scaling points cost, I doubt we'll see Fel with a second modification initially. They simply aren't as import on him anymore. Daredevil, Juke and Lone Wolf are all really viable upgrades on him, IMO, and all clock in cheaper than Outmaneuver. They all keep his his cost under or around his 1e equivalent and mean he actually has genuine options for how you choose to fly him now. I think that element, that he's not a static, optimised build anymore is definitely worth losing a little bit of survivability to points ratio.

And if you are only looking at the statline, then you aren't looking at it correctly.

But good lord, the cost reductions on Bombers and Punishers is kind of nuts.

Vessery costs as much as RAC. AS much as the best decimator. ****, Defenders cost a lot...

12 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

Vessery costs as much as RAC. AS much as the best decimator. ****, Defenders cost a lot...

But dude... System slot. Advanced Sensors on a 2.0 Defender is going to be nuts. Oh yeah, you think you can block my K-turn? I'll boost here, or Barrel roll here.

Brath + Juke + HLC + Adv. Sensors = 100 points. Come. At. Me. Bro.

Defenders also got system slots. That's gonna be fun.

Advanced sensors and outmaneuver white k-turns.

Dash looks to have lost. He's the most expensive pilot (100pts) with the most expensive title (14pts) across all three factions... can't really seeing a ship that ends up being 75% of your list doing well in an era where Swarms are likely to make a strong comeback because the "Ace" and "Hero" ships have greatly reduced repositioning and dice-modification.

Yeah, we're pretty solidly looking at this being the TIE swarm's world again. You can fit three Academy pilots, three Obsidians, and still have 59 points left over. That's enough for two more named TIEs! Or just downgrade one more Obsidian to an Academy, and get two Juking Black Squadron TIEs.

21 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

[Juno Eclipse] was a traitor anyways.

Minister Maketh Tua is a traitor, too, though.

40 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

But dude... System slot. Advanced Sensors on a 2.0 Defender is going to be nuts. Oh yeah, you think you can block my K-turn? I'll boost here, or Barrel roll here.

Brath + Juke + HLC + Adv. Sensors = 100 points. Come. At. Me. Bro.

39 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

Defenders also got system slots. That's gonna be fun.

Advanced sensors and outmaneuver white k-turns.

I know...I KNOW! But...so costly. Do we have confirmation on the wording of adv. Sensors? Do you skip perform action step, or are you not allowed to take another action?

If you can't take another action, then that stops you from getting your free evade.

Either way, yes you have unblockable white K-turns with your super ship.

You lose your free evade. But a barrel roll or boost before doing a k turn or other maneuver to basically get wedges ability is still strong.