We know all the abilities from the conversion spoilers.

We don't know ship slots or point costs for anything across the board currently, so we cant even make educated guesses about the coming content, at present.

Wave 2 will resolve both those issues, so we should see article threads get more than a page a day of posts at that point.

Pointless.... I see what you did there ?

3 hours ago, SOTL said:

You don't want points costs spoiled now. You think you do, but you don't - it almost killed AGOT LCG to have all the info out months before release.

It meant when the game finally came out everyone serious had been playing it for months, had solved the meta and were bored of it. It also meant any new casual players got annihilated because the serious players had solved the meta, so they left the game.

The later the points come, the better. I'd be fine with them being released a month AFTER the ships.

I’ve seen this exact behavior over in the Legion board.

New stuff that releases has already been heavily playtested in TTS/vassal like theorycrafting. The game is still fun, but the excitement is more “I suppose I need that pack because I decided this was good months ago”.

Maybe there is a merit to some of the secrecy.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

We should all have learnt by now that pre-ordering is a mistake - unless you void your right to complain about your purchase.

For those not pre-ordering nothing will be different, nothing at all.

I preordered a core set because I am 100% certain I will buy it. Everything else can wait the week or two until I go get it, and I won‘t suffer any disadvantages in any form. Highly recommended!

With new ships I kinda agree on the bolded but as far as conversions go it’s not like they are going to change the content. Either you want to convert ships or not so preordering 1 of each is not foolish. Now the people buying multiples, I feel personally, are going to get burned. Who cares if you can use all your crap on release. For every ship not in wave 1 the conversions are incomplete and I think many who bought 2 of the same will regret multiple boxes.

1 minute ago, LordFajubi said:

With new ships I kinda agree on the bolded but as far as conversions go it’s not like they are going to change the content. Either you want to convert ships or not so preordering 1 of each is not foolish. Now the people buying multiples, I feel personally, are going to get burned. Who cares if you can use all your crap on release. For every ship not in wave 1 the conversions are incomplete and I think many who bought 2 of the same will regret multiple boxes.

Yes I agree in principle. But so far it looks like 2.0 makes it easier to focus on just one faction.

Now for me personally, we provide up to 6 players with the minis, so we will convert everything. But otherwise I'd first look which faction I want to focus on, and then convert just that for the beginning.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

Yes I agree in principle. But so far it looks like 2.0 makes it easier to focus on just one faction.

Now for me personally, we provide up to 6 players with the minis, so we will convert everything. But otherwise I'd first look which faction I want to focus on, and then convert just that for the beginning.

Agreed thats the intent and I wanted so badly to say screw scum this time as I don’t care for the faction. Then I would look at the pile of scum I already own and could not justify that many ships rotting on the vine. Now any new scum will of course be omitted unless I specifically need it for something but all the factions will be treated this way for me. This pokemon mentality in 1.0 has to die and impulse buying can go right to **** with it.

6 hours ago, haritos said:

Does anyone here get excited about reading new articles any more?

This is the first time this happens to me, I see new 2.0 ship announcements and don't even bother clicking. What's the point, with so much information missing? Great, you gave this X pilot this cool new ability. Or you made interesting changes to a 1.0 upgrade. So what? I don't know their cost. I don't even know where I can slot some of them!

The whole points-in-the-app thing is something I find positive for the game, but man they should at least find a way to make these articles interesting, or just dont release them at all until the app is out.

The previews are boring. The don´t show anything new. And the stuff they show is rather underwhelming (especially compared to 1.0). And without even point costs you cant even judge it anymore. In the past when we got a preview article it had a 10 page thread within 1h. Now comes a news article and nobody cares. The stuff is really unimpressive. The Tie-Advanced preview is a good example. It had absolutly ZERO new information. They could at least preview 1 build with Vader with complete point costs - that you get at least an idea.

Really lame time until 2nd Wave gets announced (hopefully with FO and Resistance).

17 minutes ago, beardxofxdeath said:

The previews are boring. The don´t show anything new. And the stuff they show is rather underwhelming (especially compared to 1.0). And without even point costs you cant even judge it anymore. In the past when we got a preview article it had a 10 page thread within 1h. Now comes a news article and nobody cares. The stuff is really unimpressive. The Tie-Advanced preview is a good example. It had absolutly ZERO new information. They could at least preview 1 build with Vader with complete point costs - that you get at least an idea.

Really lame time until 2nd Wave gets announced (hopefully with FO and Resistance).

With the conversion kits having everything in them (up to wave I) and with those kits already having been spoiled, there really isn't any reason why the articles should have any new content. When they start re-releasing ships in wave II, I expect some pilots and upgrades to be previewed that were NOT in the conversion kits.

13 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

With the conversion kits having everything in them (up to wave I) and with those kits already having been spoiled, there really isn't any reason why the articles should have any new content. When they start re-releasing ships in wave II, I expect some pilots and upgrades to be previewed that were NOT in the conversion kits.

I really hope so.

The only article I am interested in is the one that says App is out now

I find it ironic how some people cry and cry they want spoilers and then cry when an official article has nothing new. All of it is new to people not scrambling to be the first to see something. I’d be thrilled if ffg would stop sending out preview kits and will laugh uncontrollably if they are misprinted or flat out wrong from the final release product.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

I get the feeling. It just isn't as exciting anymore. I am anticipating the app launch instead. A huge part of my X-Wing enjoyment is building lists I'll never fly and right now I miss that.

Although I think it is a bit off to complain that voluntarily read spoilers actually spoil something, I do agree share this sentiment. I’ve spent untold hours on Aurora and really look forward to the FFG app.

I see that some people find it good that we no longer get points In the previews, as people started building lists months ahead of the ships release.

That's not an issue caused by points people. FFG's disgusting marketing plan is to blame for that. They could just release the more detailed ship previews one month before release.

I'm still keen for the articles. That's probably because I put ZERO weight on leaks as many of them end up being guesses, and I see no need to get my knickers tied in knots. There's more than enough here doing that without me joining in as well

Yeah, I'd like the point costs, but I'm quite happy that everyone will just have to wait.

14 hours ago, Rodrigo Istalindir said:

I'm glad. I'm looking forward to tournaments where every combination hasn't been tweaked to death in Vassal for six months before stuff hits the streets.

Yeah, but on the other hand, it should be a turkey shoot for those that can crack the code early.

1 hour ago, MajorJuggler said:

Yeah, but on the other hand, it should be a turkey shoot for those that can crack the code early.

Also for the guys that had the info far longer than everybody else, like the play testers.

4 hours ago, LordBlades said:

Also for the guys that had the info far longer than everybody else, like the play testers.

And, what's new about that?

The rumour I heard was that 2.0 hasn't been playtested.

2 hours ago, Managarmr said:

And, what's new about that?

Before, everybody with enough free time could theory craft and test pre-release stuff thanks to the spoilers. Without it, it would be restricted only to play testers.

19 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

I’ve seen this exact behavior over in the Legion board.

New stuff that releases has already been heavily playtested in TTS/vassal like theorycrafting. The game is still fun, but the excitement is more “I suppose I need that pack because I decided this was good months ago”.

Legion's a very different style of game.

Say a new Commander comes out. Cool, I can replace my current Commander with the new one, sometimes. But... that's it. As an individual component it doesn't change that much. There's hardly any upgrades in the box applicable to my other units, there's hard list-building rules keeping me from spamming it or running it purely with something else... it's different.

A new ship comes out in X-Wing, the sky's the limit. The cards can go on any ship, you can spam a list of nothing but this new ship if you want. And each ship is a handful of distinct unit options even before any upgrade cards. Going from a 5 ship collection to a 6 ship collection dramatically increases the number of possible list combinations you can run. And corresponding to that, many of those combinations or their strengths won't be obvious until you've seen them on the table.

On 7/24/2018 at 6:49 AM, Vineheart01 said:

yeah i hope in the future once we got the app it updates with the spoils.

People are going to be hesitant to buy a ship blind. Knowing the dial and abilities is really minor. If they gave us a ship with 14 greens, 5 different turnaround moves, a 4/4/4 statline, and amazing abilities but it was literally your list was that one ship people would be rather pissed they bought it expecting it to be pricey, but not THAT pricey.

I fully expect a ship with that that much to be the only thing you field. Let's break down your hypothetical OP ship

• 14 green/blues means a dial STUFFED with maneuvers once you add in the red and white. What's the largest current maneuver dial?
• 5 turn arounds is a HUGE advantage that presently no other ship has, 1.0 or 2.0.
• 4 attack: few ships possessed this in 1.0, and thus far, even fewer have this in 2.0. Off the top of my head, I can think of only one that has this presently: The VCX-100.
• 4 agility: 4 native agility is something that is unheard of. Every ship that previously had 4 agility had a cost associated with it. Between stealth device, Timewalk Assaj, etc. These were limited. Being able to add something like these to this further would make this ship even more of a beast than it already is.
• 4 hull and no shields is the closest thing a weak point on a ship you describe. The only downer you have listed.
• Amazing abilities: by amazing, I can only extrapolate that you mean pilot abilities or linked actions that are far and above most other ships. Again, a significant plus should come at a cost.

And why would you think that your hyperbolic ship SHOULDN'T be your entire list?

wasnt meant to be literal that was meant to be an exaggerated example....

4 hours ago, LordBlades said:

Before, everybody with enough free time could theory craft and test pre-release stuff thanks to the spoilers. Without it, it would be restricted only to play testers.

How many playtesters are there? I mean really. This unseen army is 1/3 the community? I really have my doubts most people will have play tester issues and if you do, here’s a shocker don’t play them. If tournaments are your issue then ffg needs to handicap them in some way if they have an unfair advantage otherwise if ffg doesn’t care you know what they say about the fairness of life. The priviledged will always trample the less fortunate because as a world community we are too selfish to do anything else.

Personally, I couldn't care less what the point costs are this far out. If a ship or upgrade looks cool, I'll be excited about it and figure out some way to run it when it releases, regardless of cost.

Also, I know I'm in the minority here, but I prefer text/image news to video, so I never watch the unboxings. So pretty much every article has new information for me!

17 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Personally, I couldn't care less what the point costs are this far out. If a ship or upgrade looks cool, I'll be excited about it and figure out some way to run it when it releases, regardless of cost.

Also, I know I'm in the minority here, but I prefer text/image news to video, so I never watch the unboxings. So pretty much every article has new information for me!

I never watch the videos, I either forward through them paused and look at them like that, or wait for someone to screenshot them.