1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah, but that is just in Market Capitalization. Not saying that isn't a big deal, but it is just one thing and they are not "worth more" than Disney when you look at everything. And that article you cited shows Netflix's debt issues.

And yeah, they are totally going after Netflix. I personally think there is room for both (I currently do Netflix and Hulu, and would totally ditch Hulu for Disney's stream service)

I really don't think we're in much disagreement here. I have no doubt Disney wants it all. I just think toy sales are a bigger factor than the streaming insofar as this one particular show goes. I think its direct impact will have a more pronounced effect there. A lot of people out there won't drop or add a subscription service based on a single cartoon. A lot of kids will ask for specific toys based on a single cartoon. That is completely speculative on my part though.

11 hours ago, Truthiness said:

, that Rebel gunship I can't spell without looking up, and....yeah that's about it.

Dp-20 corellian gunship.

Just now, Geressen said:

Dp-20 corellian gunship.

More likely the Braha'tok

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Braha'tok-class_gunship

3 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I'm with the faction of armada players that like the dornean brakatak over the corellian gunship as a potential combat flotila

yeah well you know my stance on the issue.

7 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

More likely the Braha'tok

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Braha'tok-class_gunship

Needs more apostrophe's. Go full Elvish here, the Br'aha't'ok.

1 minute ago, geek19 said:

Needs more apostrophe's. Go full Elvish here, the Br'aha't'ok.

My mind immediately went to "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."

12 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

More likely the Braha'tok

All I ever see is Bra'tac

1 minute ago, LordCola said:

All I ever see is Bra'tac

I miss Stargate?

Just now, Megatronrex said:

I miss Stargate?

Me too.

Stargate Armada would be cool!

23 minutes ago, LordCola said:

Me too.

Stargate Armada would be cool!

I could get on board with that.

16 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Yea I was just a guy that really liked Armada from the beginning of the game so I have a lot of friends here. Like they said, I have been in Africa for 2 years serving as a missionary for my church (and consiquently have been armada free) and I just returned

wow, didn't know your story, welcome back and congrats on all previous championships, I am casually playing the game for the past two years but for the past few months I am trying to get into more serious games.

As for the clone wars,

Introduction of a Clone War era will be a big problem for the game because already diluted Armada community will diminish even more due to the fact that there will be 2 different playing groups, OT era players and Clone War era players. The main reason for this is that ships from two different eras will not be compatible with each other. Don't start shouting at me, let me explain why I think they are not compatible.

If I remember correctly, originally the gap between Rise of the Empire and A New Hope was far greater but when they shot the prequels they shortened the timeline to make sure Luke was born at the end of the Clone Wars.

According to this new timeline, there is 19 years gap between end of Clone Wars and BBY. In Solo, there is an ISD so that means ISD was developed 10 years after the end of the Clone Wars. With this new revised timeline an ISD and Venator should find themselves fighting each other as some of the old Republic Venetors fell into the hand of Rebels. However I think Venetor is no match for ISD, I believe there is a missing link in ship design and VSD actually fills that gap. I always thought VSD was the first true Imperial Cruiser, it was a revolutionary ship design which was later improved and enlarged to current ISDs. Either we should have seen VSD at the end of the Clone Wars as the next step of Venator or we should have seen VSD at Solo instead of ISD.

In conclusion, we do not have many transition ships and if FFG produces Clone War era ships, they have to be much weaker ships compared to current OT era ships and there will not be fun to mesh them together. So if you can't mesh them together then FFG either has to limit the number of current ships that can play against Clone Ships ( such as ISDs, Mon Cals can not play agains Clone War era ships) or they have to introduce a new Clone War era core set. I think in the original timeline ( before prequels were released) Clone War Era was like WW2 and OT era was Cold War era but with the prequels timeline shortened but the ships stayed the same.

Having a new Clone War era game sounds great for most of the players here but there is a catch. As I have stated earlier, currently people are afraid the number of players are diminishing for Armada. If Clone War era ships are introduced as a new stand alone set then players will be divided into two groups and with smaller groups, sales will be less for each era and with that the number of expansion to be introduced will be less as well. If Armada had a community big as X-Wing, I think this would have been possible but currently with no Wave in foresight, Armada itself is in trouble and the best way to boost the sales would be the addition of New Trilogy before the Prequels. Episode IX is critical for Armada community, if there is a big proper space battle in Episode IX then it will be a good oppurtunity to introduce all these new ships to the game without effecting the game play too much. ( If you want to argue the compatibiliy issues with OT ships and New Trilogy ships, you are right it will be difficult as well but I think not as difficult as trying to mesh OT stuff with Clone Wars stuff).

Clone War Era needs a good set of transition ships and since Solo missed the chance to introduce such ships properly ( eg. Dreadnought and VSD) maybe new ObiWan or Fett movie will manage to do that ( if they have some space battles). If they do then with those transition ships I think Clone War could expand to Armada without the need of introducing a new core set and thus not dividing the game into two.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say this for a long time,

17 minutes ago, LostFleet said:

wow, didn't know your story, welcome back and congrats on all previous championships, I am casually playing the game for the past two years but for the past few months I am trying to get into more serious games.

As for the clone wars,

Introduction of a Clone War era will be a big problem for the game because already diluted Armada community will diminish even more due to the fact that there will be 2 different playing groups, OT era players and Clone War era players. The main reason for this is that ships from two different eras will not be compatible with each other. Don't start shouting at me, let me explain why I think they are not compatible.

If I remember correctly, originally the gap between Rise of the Empire and A New Hope was far greater but when they shot the prequels they shortened the timeline to make sure Luke was born at the end of the Clone Wars.

According to this new timeline, there is 19 years gap between end of Clone Wars and BBY. In Solo, there is an ISD so that means ISD was developed 10 years after the end of the Clone Wars. With this new revised timeline an ISD and Venator should find themselves fighting each other as some of the old Republic Venetors fell into the hand of Rebels. However I think Venetor is no match for ISD, I believe there is a missing link in ship design and VSD actually fills that gap. I always thought VSD was the first true Imperial Cruiser, it was a revolutionary ship design which was later improved and enlarged to current ISDs. Either we should have seen VSD at the end of the Clone Wars as the next step of Venator or we should have seen VSD at Solo instead of ISD.

In conclusion, we do not have many transition ships and if FFG produces Clone War era ships, they have to be much weaker ships compared to current OT era ships and there will not be fun to mesh them together. So if you can't mesh them together then FFG either has to limit the number of current ships that can play against Clone Ships ( such as ISDs, Mon Cals can not play agains Clone War era ships) or they have to introduce a new Clone War era core set. I think in the original timeline ( before prequels were released) Clone War Era was like WW2 and OT era was Cold War era but with the prequels timeline shortened but the ships stayed the same.

Having a new Clone War era game sounds great for most of the players here but there is a catch. As I have stated earlier, currently people are afraid the number of players are diminishing for Armada. If Clone War era ships are introduced as a new stand alone set then players will be divided into two groups and with smaller groups, sales will be less for each era and with that the number of expansion to be introduced will be less as well. If Armada had a community big as X-Wing, I think this would have been possible but currently with no Wave in foresight, Armada itself is in trouble and the best way to boost the sales would be the addition of New Trilogy before the Prequels. Episode IX is critical for Armada community, if there is a big proper space battle in Episode IX then it will be a good oppurtunity to introduce all these new ships to the game without effecting the game play too much. ( If you want to argue the compatibiliy issues with OT ships and New Trilogy ships, you are right it will be difficult as well but I think not as difficult as trying to mesh OT stuff with Clone Wars stuff).

Clone War Era needs a good set of transition ships and since Solo missed the chance to introduce such ships properly ( eg. Dreadnought and VSD) maybe new ObiWan or Fett movie will manage to do that ( if they have some space battles). If they do then with those transition ships I think Clone War could expand to Armada without the need of introducing a new core set and thus not dividing the game into two.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say this for a long time,

I hear what you are saying but I think you are missing the point of the differences between OT and PT. The Venator is weaker in terms of armament relative to an ISD, this is true, but what the Venator lacks in firepower it makes up in carrying capacity. It can carry over 300 starfighters of various varieties in addition to its deployment of gunships, walkers, and troops. On top of that, it has a point defense system to defend against fast attack targets that an ISD can't even hold a candle to (it does not have a SINGLE anti-starfighter weapon on it). Likewise, other ships that are perceived weaker based on age are not in reality weaker, but just reflections of a design choice.

Hopefully it'll have less "dramatic" endless music than Rebels . I don't know what it is about modern video authors that feel it's necessary to have "dramatic" music playing non-stop. For Rebels, it turned an already mediocre show into a terrible one. Seriously, go watch an episode. They play dramatic music non-stop. Extremely annoying, scene plausibility is lost, and they lose any chance of heightening a scene with music. Way too many hack producers today that don't understand how to (subtly) use music with video. Similar problem in movies. Bleh!

5 hours ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

but just reflections of a design choice.

If you don't mind I will respectfully disagree with you,

Think of a Midway Class aircraft carrier in 1945 just end of the WW2, it carried operationally about 100 aircraft ( max 140), it had over 150 anti-aircraft guns to protect itself from Kamikaze and now letsgo to 1965 ( similar time difference between PT and OT), you have brand new USS Enteprise, with much larger hull size but carrying operationally about 60 aircraft ( max 90 ) and have 3x8 missile launchers with some CIWS added later on. You could argue Midway can come toe to toe with Enterprise just giving the numbers of aircraft it carries and the number of AA guns it has on but technology improved, airplanes became better, defenses changed as well. So yes, Venator might carry more squadrons and yes ISD don't have proper anti-squadron weapons but question is are those PT era fighters and bombers a match for OT era ones? and can they make a dent at an ISD ?

If the answer is yes, then there is a problem with general progress in Star Wars universe, as time passes technology should get better, surpassing its previous counterparts, other wise why built new fighters and ships if they have the same capability with the current ones.

( Just a side note, Midway class had many alterations during their career, one I am mentioning is solely for 1945 version which is the original version )

As of this moment looking at my bloomberg terminal Disney is most definitely worth more than Netflix.

Market Capitalization is only the “equity” portion of the valuation pie. If you wanted buy all of Disney you would have to pay the equity owners and the debt owners (Banks and Bond holders). So a more appropriate valuation metric is “Enterprise Value” or Equity + Debt.

The Enterprise Valution of DIS and NFLX

Disney = $191B

Netflix = $162B

What is remarkable is how Netflix has achieved their valuation from a single business segment of streaming movies and tv shows. (Sure they still have a dvd subscription but does anyone still use that?)

While Disney does almost everything. If their acquisition of 20th Century Fox goes through they will own 40% of the movie box office.

Movies, Television, toys, theme parks, games, these guys are huge. They own ESPN.

So I would argue the Disney suffers from a huge conglomerate discount.

Now for my on topic contribution... I’m down with adding 2 new factions from the clone wars.

3 minutes ago, PartyPotato said:

As of this moment looking at my bloomberg terminal Disney is most definitely worth more than Netflix.

Market Capitalization is only the “equity” portion of the valuation pie. If you wanted buy all of Disney you would have to pay the equity owners and the debt owners (Banks and Bond holders). So a more appropriate valuation metric is “Enterprise Value” or Equity + Debt.

The Enterprise Valution of DIS and NFLX

Disney = $191B

Netflix = $162B

What is remarkable is how Netflix has achieved their valuation from a single business segment of streaming movies and tv shows. (Sure they still have a dvd subscription but does anyone still use that?)

While Disney does almost everything. If their acquisition of 20th Century Fox goes through they will own 40% of the movie box office.

Movies, Television, toys, theme parks, games, these guys are huge. They own ESPN.

So I would argue the Disney suffers from a huge conglomerate discount.

Now for my on topic contribution... I’m down with adding 2 new factions from the clone wars.

Thank you. And now that I know the proper metrics I found pretty much the same numbers you did.

https://ycharts.com/companies/DIS/enterprise_value

https://ycharts.com/companies/NFLX/enterprise_value

@CaribbeanNinja You are correct sir. Disney's Enterprise Valuation (term of the day) makes it worth more. I'm gonna have to be more careful with my terminology even outside of jokes it would seem.?

3 hours ago, LostFleet said:

If you don't mind I will respectfully disagree with you,

Think of a Midway Class aircraft carrier in 1945 just end of the WW2, it carried operationally about 100 aircraft ( max 140), it had over 150 anti-aircraft guns to protect itself from Kamikaze and now letsgo to 1965 ( similar time difference between PT and OT), you have brand new USS Enteprise, with much larger hull size but carrying operationally about 60 aircraft ( max 90 ) and have 3x8 missile launchers with some CIWS added later on. You could argue Midway can come toe to toe with Enterprise just giving the numbers of aircraft it carries and the number of AA guns it has on but technology improved, airplanes became better, defenses changed as well. So yes, Venator might carry more squadrons and yes ISD don't have proper anti-squadron weapons but question is are those PT era fighters and bombers a match for OT era ones? and can they make a dent at an ISD ?

If the answer is yes, then there is a problem with general progress in Star Wars universe, as time passes technology should get better, surpassing its previous counterparts, other wise why built new fighters and ships if they have the same capability with the current ones.

( Just a side note, Midway class had many alterations during their career, one I am mentioning is solely for 1945 version which is the original version )

But that’s your problem. You yourself quasi acknowledged it. Star Wars isn’t the real world. There are wizard cowboys (the Jedi), laser swords, and billions of other real world violations. It isn’t Star Trek, where it tries to be real. In addition, we have had active statements from Star Wars content creators who have stated that this is a universe where tech is not decided by improvements but doctrine. The republic decided to allocate their resources towards ships that could take down hundreds of fast moving droid fighters.

You miss the main theme of the universe. Tech has been and continues to be mainly constant in Star Wars so comparing ships from 20th century Earth (the real world) is not fair.

11 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

I miss Stargate?

Love Stargate, gotta be my favourite sci-fi show

11 hours ago, Thraug said:

Hopefully it'll have less "dramatic" endless music than Rebels . I don't know what it is about modern video authors that feel it's necessary to have "dramatic" music playing non-stop. For Rebels, it turned an already mediocre show into a terrible one. Seriously, go watch an episode. They play dramatic music non-stop. Extremely annoying, scene plausibility is lost, and they lose any chance of heightening a scene with music. Way too many hack producers today that don't understand how to (subtly) use music with video. Similar problem in movies. Bleh!

Probably less an issue with the editing team and more an issue of producers wanting to get every last dime out of that very expensive score.

10 hours ago, LostFleet said:

If you don't mind I will respectfully disagree with you,

Think of a Midway Class aircraft carrier in 1945 just end of the WW2, it carried operationally about 100 aircraft ( max 140), it had over 150 anti-aircraft guns to protect itself from Kamikaze and now letsgo to 1965 ( similar time difference between PT and OT), you have brand new USS Enteprise, with much larger hull size but carrying operationally about 60 aircraft ( max 90 ) and have 3x8 missile launchers with some CIWS added later on. You could argue Midway can come toe to toe with Enterprise just giving the numbers of aircraft it carries and the number of AA guns it has on but technology improved, airplanes became better, defenses changed as well. So yes, Venator might carry more squadrons and yes ISD don't have proper anti-squadron weapons but question is are those PT era fighters and bombers a match for OT era ones? and can they make a dent at an ISD ?

If the answer is yes, then there is a problem with general progress in Star Wars universe, as time passes technology should get better, surpassing its previous counterparts, other wise why built new fighters and ships if they have the same capability with the current ones.

( Just a side note, Midway class had many alterations during their career, one I am mentioning is solely for 1945 version which is the original version )

7 hours ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

But that’s your problem. You yourself quasi acknowledged it. Star Wars isn’t the real world. There are wizard cowboys (the Jedi), laser swords, and billions of other real world violations. It isn’t Star Trek, where it tries to be real. In addition, we have had active statements from Star Wars content creators who have stated that this is a universe where tech is not decided by improvements but doctrine. The republic decided to allocate their resources towards ships that could take down hundreds of fast moving droid fighters.

You miss the main theme of the universe. Tech has been and continues to be mainly constant in Star Wars so comparing ships from 20th century Earth (the real world) is not fair.

I don't normally comment on here, but Battlefleet 01 I feel is correct here. Most of the changes are based on military doctrine changes and not leaps in technology. I believe they even mention that in the Tarkin book and that Venators were still in service years after the Clone Wars but with ISDs already entering production. To use the example of the WW2 carrier against one from the Cold War you WOULD have to account that the WW2 craft is carrying upgraded aircraft to match what is being used at the time as well as having its armament updated to match. Again they mention this in the books and even confirm that the new tie fighter is perceived as crap by Tarkin compared to the older fighters of the Clone Wars and their main benefit being the cost of production being much lower. And to further that example you have to keep in mind that the Y-wings used by the rebel scum are older CW fighters as well that are still capable craft even with their outer armor stripped off. So no, a Venator would not last too long going nose to nose against an ISD based on their hull strength and lower gun count. However the amount of fighters it carries would more than give it a fighting chance as even original craft would often outmatch base ties (little better than vulture droids) and if outfitted with modern craft could actually increase its carry capacity based on the smaller profile of the tie. Sorry for the rant, I'll go back to sitting in my corner now.

19 hours ago, Thraug said:

Hopefully it'll have less "dramatic" endless music than Rebels . I don't know what it is about modern video authors that feel it's necessary to have "dramatic" music playing non-stop. For Rebels, it turned an already mediocre show into a terrible one. Seriously, go watch an episode. They play dramatic music non-stop. Extremely annoying, scene plausibility is lost, and they lose any chance of heightening a scene with music. Way too many hack producers today that don't understand how to (subtly) use music with video. Similar problem in movies. Bleh!

Award Nomination #2

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 4:24 PM, LostFleet said:

In Solo, there is an ISD so that means ISD was developed 10 years after the end of the Clone Wars.

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 4:24 PM, LostFleet said:

Clone War Era needs a good set of transition ships

I am not too sure about the current canon but in Legends canon the ISD was developed during the end of the clone wars by the Republic under the name Imperator-class Star Destroyer. It was later renamed to Imperial class Star Destroyer. I don't see too much of a reason why Disney would want to change this in the new canon so I think it is a fair assumption to make that this is still the origin of the ISD. So here you have it, your "transition ship" is the ISD itself.

Also, technology doesn’t seem to make big leaps from CW to GCW since many ships like y-wings, Gozantis, Arquitens, ISDs, Peltas, that were used during CW are still in use and effective during GCW.

So, in conclusion there should be no problem having fleets from different eras facing off against each other.

15 hours ago, LordCola said:

I am not too sure about the current canon but in Legends canon the ISD was developed during the end of the clone wars by the Republic under the name Imperator-class Star Destroyer. It was later renamed to Imperial class Star Destroyer. I don't see too much of a reason why Disney would want to change this in the new canon so I think it is a fair assumption to make that this is still the origin of the ISD. So here you have it, your "transition ship" is the ISD itself.

Also, technology doesn’t seem to make big leaps from CW to GCW since many ships like y-wings, Gozantis, Arquitens, ISDs, Peltas, that were used during CW are still in use and effective during GCW.

So, in conclusion there should be no problem having fleets from different eras facing off against each other.

And who do we thank for the ISD... trusty ol' rebel Adar Tallon.. Oh wait

And have we acknowledged the fact star wars has piqued!?!

Hyperspace travel (invented by the Rakata, blending dark side force energy and technology) wasn't a natural development and the rise and fall of empires has stifled technological advancements..

Add to this that unlike Star Trek there is no prime directive so many worlds join the republic and *receive* technology *instead* of developing it themselves.. Add in the Jedi who pretty much dispel the need for most conventional defence and you stagnate...

We could most likely assume there isn't much left to discover, that medicine and science have reached the summit with only more efficient technology not new technology out there... Hence why old republic to new, it's mostly the same, a blaster is a blaster, a laser sword a laser sword..

Or it could be they have yet to find a crucial discovery that'll lead onto more..

After all the Twin-Ion Engine existed theoretically in star wars for many years before they had the means to develop it themselves..

On 7/21/2018 at 2:58 AM, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Tech has been and continues to be mainly constant in Star Wars

@Megatronrex

On 7/21/2018 at 10:22 AM, DarthVerkir said:

Battlefleet 01 I feel is correct here

26 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

We could most likely assume there isn't much left to discover,

I have a total different view on tech on SW from you guys and after reading yours and other posts I understand your point and you are right, I am missing the main point and thank you for explaining to me.

For me, apart from the movies, my main source of information came from games like X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Rebellion and I was more interested about books that were about ships or fighters rather than general lore. In those mediums my arguement makes a little more sense where upgrading mechanism is done through R&D process. My main view towards Armada has been through the same concept as well.

However, I never ventured in Kotor era and my literature experience in EU is very limited both in novels and comic books. For some reason I rather here the stories from my friends who read them rather then me reading them directly. I read a bit more last night about the subject and yes, my arguement within this context is not valid at all.

Strangely enough, after reading a bit last night, SW universe reminds me of Asimov's Foundation series which had similar problems ( about technological process) , a general fatigue of the whole galaxy.