Yeah we all know Rey has no flaws other than the "faint" in TFA and won her first lightsaber dual were Luke lost a hand. SW has not been known for SFCs. Leia does has some moments where she is the take charge but then again she was also put in a rather objectifying metal bikini. As for Padame well despite giving into sandy creepazoid she was the one needing Jedi "bodyguards" only to be force choked by one of them. Mon Mothma is a leader but to be honest Admiral Purple Hair a "throw away" character that lasts only one episode had more screen time than her. Also Rebel Katness had more attitude in the trailer than inspiration in the final cut.

Should Disney do better, yeah. But to be honest it might be impossible for them to do so with the movie mill approach that they have already committed Star Wars too.

Same dumb bull from another moron.

It's easy to take Rey down if you ignore every single bit of evidence that doesn't fit your theory. Just once I'd like to see a video that actually points out her mistakes and flaws but is still able to argue why she's bad. But I've never seen any "film critique" even attempt to be intellectually honest on the subject.

-Pretend she drives the falcon perfectly when she is, in fact, the only star wars character in the entire history of the franchise that struggles to fly a ship on screen.

-Pretend she makes no mistakes, like hot-wiring the wrong system on Han's barge and nearly getting everyone killed.

-Pretend she never needs to be saved by anyone, like Han getting her off the barge before getting killed by her mistake; or Chewie picking her up before Starkiller Base blew.

-Ignore that Kylo was severely wounded before she fought him.

It's pretty pathetic when you get right down to it. The fact that people can watch these videos and think they have good content is sad.

Derides video creator for being "intellectually dishonest"; proceeds to be intellectually dishonest for the next five paragraphs. Let's face it, when it comes to the subject of Rey, the apologists are just as bad as the haters.

"The only character in the franchise who struggles to fly a ship on screen"; you mean apart from Finn, who struggles with the speeder in TLJ. And Porkins, who clearly couldn't hold it when he thought he could, and Dutch who couldn't stay on target. And Han, who never could get that hyperdrive fixed. And Luke of course, who not only struggled with the Falcon's gunner seat and had to be bailed out repeatedly in the battle of Yavin, but who got shot down on Hoth and crashed his X-Wing on Dagobah.

Compare all that to Rey, who not only managed to fly the Falcon on her own (even Han and Lando needed co-pilots) in her first time in the cockpit. And not only fly it, but fly it well enough to outmanoeuvre experienced First Order pilots in an intense llow altitude dogfight.

And Kylo might well have been wounded, but what about the multiple elite Praetorian Guard she effortlessly dispatched without any further combat training?

It'pretty pathetic when you get down to it, that certain people think that perfectly valid complaints and criticisms can be dismissed with such weak, single example excuse making.

6 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Derides video creator for being "intellectually dishonest"; proceeds to be intellectually dishonest for the next five paragraphs. Let's face it, when it comes to the subject of Rey, the apologists are just as bad as the haters.

"The only character in the franchise who struggles to fly a ship on screen"; you mean apart from Finn, who struggles with the speeder in TLJ. And Porkins, who clearly couldn't hold it when he thought he could, and Dutch who couldn't stay on target. And Han, who never could get that hyperdrive fixed. And Luke of course, who not only struggled with the Falcon's gunner seat and had to be bailed out repeatedly in the battle of Yavin, but who got shot down on Hoth and crashed his X-Wing on Dagobah.

Compare all that to Rey, who not only managed to fly the Falcon on her own (even Han and Lando needed co-pilots) in her first time in the cockpit. And not only fly it, but fly it well enough to outmanoeuvre experienced First Order pilots in an intense llow altitude dogfight.

And Kylo might well have been wounded, but what about the multiple elite Praetorian Guard she effortlessly dispatched without any further combat training?

It'pretty pathetic when you get down to it, that certain people think that perfectly valid complaints and criticisms can be dismissed with such weak, single example excuse making.

His point was that they did the same things, not that she didn’t do some incredible stuff. She’s a Jedi...

9 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

His point was that they did the same things, not that she didn’t do some incredible stuff. She’s a Jedi...

No, no she's not.

She's a Mary Sue.

27 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

No, no she's not.

She's a Mary Sue.

Then Luke is too.

4 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

No, no she's not.

She's a Mary Sue.

Ah yes, the ace in the hole.

I guess the matter is settled.

Why not actually criticise the video instead of using unrelated information? Why not comment on Mulan who is an epic women lead. Does it have anything to do with Mulan being of Chinese decent that you won't even acknowledged she is a hero that goes through the heroes journey perfectly?

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

Same dumb bull from another moron.

That is a defamatory comment. The youtuber is a professional video editor who has actually studied film. I have watched some of his videos and have been very impressed with his understanding of film. Perhaps before you automatically use a label on someone, find out more about them so that your comments can seem informative.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

It's easy to take Rey down if you ignore every single bit of evidence that doesn't fit your theory. Just once I'd like to see a video that actually points out her mistakes and flaws but is still able to argue why she's bad. But I've never seen any "film critique" even attempt to be intellectually honest on the subject.

-Pretend she drives the falcon perfectly when she is, in fact, the only star wars character in the entire history of the franchise that struggles to fly a ship on screen.

She drives the falcon very well. How does she struggle? Struggling is getting blown out of the sky by TIE/fos. She is at LEAST better than TIE/fo pilots who actually have training. We don't know nor see Rey being trained to fly spaceships.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

-Pretend she makes no mistakes, like hot-wiring the wrong system on Han's barge and nearly getting everyone killed.

A mistake that wasn't a mistake. Opening the pens aided her and her friends on the ship. This re-enforces the message that Rey can do no wrong.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

-Pretend she never needs to be saved by anyone, like Han getting her off the barge before getting killed by her mistake;

Han was killed on the barge? I'm pretty sure Kylo killed Han.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

-Pretend she never needs to be saved by anyone .... Chewie picking her up before Starkiller Base blew.

I guess she didn't have Lei's ability to force fly yet so sure, she needed a ride off a planet that is exploding. But now that Lei can force fly in space, we might just see Rey get that ability.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

-Ignore that Kylo was severely wounded before she fought him.

Kylo seemed alright. He even pounds the area that he is wounded in before he fights Rey as to say, this wound only makes me stronger in the force.

On 7/22/2018 at 4:49 AM, Sekac said:

It's pretty pathetic when you get right down to it. The fact that people can watch these videos and think they have good content is sad.

Did you watch his content? What are your thoughts on the Chinese Hero story Mulan? Does a Chinese Hero (A WOMEN CHINESE HERO) offend you so much that you are not even willing to acknowledged the rest of his content?

22 minutes ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Did you     watch his content? What are your thoughts on the Chinese Hero story Mulan? Does a Chinese Hero (A WOMEN CHINESE HERO) offend you so much that you are not even  willing to acknowledged the rest of his content? 

I like Mulan too. They aren't mutually exclusive, so I don't I know where you're going with that.

He didn't bother to substantiate his claim that Rey isn't a character at all.

He either didn't research the movie and completely forgot all of Rey's imperfections, or had no response so he swept them under the rug.

He may be a professional, but not all professionals are good at their jobs.

10 minutes ago, Sekac said:

He didn't bother to substantiate his claim that Rey isn't a character at all.

His video is about Mulan. He uses Rey as a point of reference. He isn't trying to prove Rey is not a character in this particular video.

10 minutes ago, Sekac said:

He either didn't research the movie and completely forgot all of Rey's imperfections, or had no response so he swept them under the rug.

It seems you have failed to research the person you are criticising. He is re-editing TLJ and has watched it many times. I have watched one of his edits and it seems he has a thorough understanding of the movie and its plot.

Also, again, he isn't trying to prove Rey is a Mary Sue or Rey is not a character or Rey is just a plot device; that is his assumption when comparing to a real character Mulan.

10 minutes ago, Sekac said:

 He may be a professional, but not all professionals are good at their jobs.

Its my opinion he is very good at his work from the videos that I have seen in which he re-edits TLJ. Perhaps you need to watch his work before criticising him especially when you don't even understand what the topic was about.

10 minutes ago, Sekac said:

I like Mulan too. They aren't mutually exclusive, so I don't I know where you're going with that.

The point was you didn't mention anything about Mulan. Its not just liking Mulan. The point of his video is to show how a strong female character can be developed. He compared Mulan with Rey because Rey's lack of character is so different from Mulan.

It's not an unreasonable observation - people can argue themselves blue in the face about Rey. Frankly there's so much ill feeling on both sides of the line that I don't think there's ever going to be polite consensus and some of us get increasingly bemused at the brickbats being thrown back and forth above our heads*.

Ultimately it doesn't matter; let's accept that some people think the character's story feels 'weak' or 'easy' or whatever other negative adjective they want to attach to it. If that is the case, then it falls to them to explain what a 'good' storyline would have been, ideally without using bad words.

Mulan is, to me, a good example of a strong character, female or otherwise. For that matter, a very good example is A Game Of Thrones' Brienne of Tarth, because she is literally played by the same actress as Captain Phasma, who is a heavily marketed character who feels pointless in what they actually achieve on screen, similar to Boba Fett**. (Other contemporary good characters that could be reached for from current Sci-Fi would be Bobby Draper or Christjen Avasarala from the Expanse).

Ultimately, I'm not convinced that arguing about whether Rey is a good character or not is worth the effort anymore because there are so many issues you can point at with The Last Jedi and Rey is (or isn't) just one of many.

3 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Does it have anything to do with Mulan being of Chinese decent that you won't even acknowledged she is a hero that goes through the heroes journey perfectly?

3 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Did you watch his content? What are your thoughts on the Chinese Hero story Mulan? Does a Chinese Hero (A WOMEN CHINESE HERO) offend you so much that you are not even willing to acknowledged the rest of his content?

Really? Please don't start reaching for racism cards. There's enough ill-feeling between star wars fans already without poking it with a stick.

3 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Kylo seemed alright. He even pounds the area that he is wounded in before he fights Rey as to say, this wound only makes me stronger in the force.

I think it's more a case of 'bugger, that hurts'...

Again, that's something that bugs me in the film; this is a gun that's shown as sending someone hit by it pin-wheeling head over heels. That's more of an issue with the directing of character than Rey to me: Kylo is not acting incapacitated enough by a gut-shot from a bowcaster. Yes, jedi are tough but we've seen them rendered not able to function effectively by pain and injury often enough.

3 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

She drives the falcon very well. How does she struggle? Struggling is getting blown out of the sky by TIE/fos. She is at LEAST better than TIE/fo pilots who actually have training. We don't know nor see Rey being trained to fly spaceships.

Because she hits the ground on takeoff and plows through the outpost gate, if I remember right. But then, as you say, is immediately afterwards able to outfly the pursuing TIE/fo pilots, one of whom has what seems to be generally accepted as bloodstripes/spec ops marks on his/her helmet (and is usually suggested to be the on-screen appearance of Omega Leader).

She clearly knows the ship (because she knows what was modified about it - to the point of being able to unplug it when there's a technical problem - and who stole it from who), and she worked for the guy who owned it so knowing how to fly it would make sense were it not for "this ship hasn't flown in years". Although it does make the fact that she doesn't know it's the falcon seem odd.

And no, no-one has generally had problems flying in a star wars film. As a counter-argument, I can't recall seeing 'on screen' anyone's first ever flight (if one assumes that flying a podracer and flying a fighter are the same***), but apparently once you've flown anything you can fly everything, from a starfighter to a spice freighter to a STAP to a speeder bike to a submarine****. Rey can definitely pilot her speeder bike, so by star wars film logic I guess she should be fine.

On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 7:12 AM, Marinealver said:

Leia does has some moments where she is the take charge but then again she was also put in a rather objectifying metal bikini.

And then, to be fair, responds by personally choking to death the dude who does this to her.

On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 7:12 AM, Marinealver said:

Also Rebel Katness had more attitude in the trailer than inspiration in the final cut.

I rather liked Jyn. She does develop as a character fairly well. She goes through a lot in the film and does develop as a result of it.

* Setting out my personal feelings for what it's worth:

• Do I like Rey as a character? No. However, I think there are fundamental writing problems with the whole trilogy.
  • Frankly Finn's story to date is far worse, both in plot (there are so many plot holes and pointless bits in the whole Canto Bight concept it's untrue), character (he's refusing to fight/he's heck-yeahing gunning down the people he grew up with/he's a coward/he's a hero/he's a coward again/he's a kamikaze) and skills (are you a stormtrooper or a janitor? I didn't know Stormjanitor was a thing)
• Equally, I really dislike Anakin no less in the prequel trilogy
  • Making the prequel trilogy Anakin's story, especially showing him so young as he was in episode 1 was, in some ways, a stupid idea. Because either he's likeable and cute and you undercut the menace he has later as Vader, or you make him angry and whiny and no-one likes the central character of the film. They kind of managed to fall into both traps.
  • Note that a lot of what makes him a more likeable character is seeing him in good moments and bad in the Clone Wars series. There is a fundamental problem with trying to introduce and develop characters - especially anti-heroes - with a relatively limited screen time.

** Boba Fett is a more impressive and rounded character for two reasons:, neither of which are film-relevant

1. Because of marketing and 'other media' stuff attached to him which has basically turned him into the Star Wars version of The Man With No Name; Phasma hasn't been a thing long enough to accrue so much in the way of backstory.
2. Because in said media, he often gets cast as a 'killer with a code' who works for the empire and jabba but isn't like them, despite not showing any particular sign of it in the film. By comparison, Phasma is a primary First Order character and in both her novel and comic appearances, Phasma is portrayed as all nasty, all the time.

*** Which they aren't. But, again, the Prequels or originals are no more immune from having bricks thrown at the scriptwriting. We never see on screen what luke flew that qualifies for the phrase 'best bush pilot in the outer rim' - and no, him playing with a toy on-screen doesn't count.

**** Han pulling the kessel run through the maw (supposedly suicidal at the best of times) on his first time at the falcon's controls - admittedly he's a flight academy dropout but is the YT-1300 likely to be one of the things a TIE pilot is trained to fly? Ditto Sabine in a TIE defender which didn't exist when she was at the academy, Ezra in a Y-wing for the first time, or any number of cases of characters grabbing the first speeder/starfighter to come to hand in a chase or escape.

Mulan is about Mulan. There are zero scenes that aren't about Mulan in Mulan. If you want Rey to have as much of a journey as Mulan, then you need to give her as much screen time and plot focus as Mulan. And a magic dragon to get her out of situations the writer blocked her into.

Also, I studied film in college and edited video in hs so, I must know what I'm talking about.

12 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Then Luke is too.

Nope. Luke failed at pretty much everything before he overcome in Episode VI.

Luke was slapped down by Tusken Raiders and rescued by Ben; slapped down in the Cantina and rescued by Ben; rescued by R2 on the Death Star; rescued by Wedge, then Han in the attack on the Death Star; rescued by Han on Hoth after getting mauled by a Wampa; giving up at his Jedi training to try and rescue his friends (where he gets slapped down by Vader and rescued by Lando); falls into Jabba's trap; endangers his friends lives and mission by his mere presence; almost turns to the Dark Side beating up his old man and finally is slapped down by the Emperor before being rescue by his old man.

That is what's known as a hero's journey - facing adversity, overcoming it, making mistakes and learning from them to overcome the odds at the end of the day.

Rey doesn't have a hero's journey. What she has is a Mary Poppins journey, being practically perfect in every way from day zero.

6 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

character (he's refusing to fight/he's heck-yeahing gunning down the people he grew up with/he's a coward/he's a hero/he's a coward again/he's a kamikaze)

The latter sure, but he is not refusing to fight. He is refusing to obey (he doesn't want to kill for them is what he says, not that he is strictly pacifist) the first order because gunning down disarmed citizens horrifies him. Him then fighting those that don't share this sentiment isn't inconsistent with his character.

Also yawn at this thread for TLJ clickbait video #3052. Lots of people regurgitating the same old sentiments because they know being controversial is an easy way to gain clicks and to be linked over and over again in arguments.

11 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

We don't know nor see Rey being trained to fly spaceships.

There wasn't a single line of dialogue that established Vader and Kylo Ren were pilots in ANH (remember, at the time the original film was first released we had no idea Vader and Anakin were one and the same) and before TLJ, either. Yet no one complains about them hopping in TIE fighters. Rey at least had dialogue in TFA establishing she had flight experience in an atmosphere. That's no more than we learned about Luke's past flight experience in the original film (who went from T-16s on Tatooine to an X-wing, and it was only established by the EU LONG after the original film was released that the T-16 was an X-wing trainer).

As far as her fighting Kylo Ren in TFA, it's WELL established early on that Rey is a good hand-to-hand fighter, and I can tell you from practical experience that sword and staff fighting (and lightsabers are very much swords for all practical purposes) are closely related mechanically. Combine that with the fact Kylo had a HOLE BLASTED IN HIS SIDE by a weapon that hurls armored stormtroopers through the air like ragdolls.

So there's DEFINITELY a different standard Rey is being held to than male characters.

5 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

As far as her fighting Kylo Ren in TFA, it's WELL established early on that Rey is a good hand-to-hand fighter, and I can tell you from practical experience that sword and staff fighting (and lightsabers are very much swords for all practical purposes) are closely related mechanically. Combine that with the fact Kylo had a HOLE BLASTED IN HIS SIDE by a weapon that hurls armored stormtroopers through the air like ragdolls.

Not only was he injured, but he was unbalanced. Snoke specifically says it in The Last Jedi:

Kylo Ren: 'I killed Han Solo. When the moment came I didn't hesitate!'

Snoke: 'And look at you, the deed split your spirit to the bone. You were unbalanced... Bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber! You failed!'

From my personnal experience with fencing, if you are not focused on the fight, you will lose. Your mind needs to be entirely on the fight.

I see the end of Episode 7 more as Kylo Ren failure. Finn also hits him, it's not just Rey. And Kylo actually dominate Rey until the end, when she channel the Force. Looking at the scene and how it reminds me of how Luke bested Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi, I personnally believe that she took a dip from the dark side to beat Kylo. Without the Force/dark side, Rey would have lose this fight.

That's not to say that Rey doesn't have some things come to her awfully easy, but there's VERY MUCH a double-standard at work, and things that would be/have been forgiven with other characters *COUGH*TPM!Anakin*COUGH* she gets singled out for.

5 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

...and things that would be/have been forgiven with other characters *COUGH*TPM!Anakin*COUGH* she gets singled out for.

...woah, woah woah woah - are you claiming that 10 year old Anakin got a free pass?

Because I was there when that movie hit the cinemas, and he did not get forgiven for anything.

Not even spinning, no matter how good a trick it is. Plus, he apparently had an unprecedented case of space parasites or something.

As for Vader and Kylo "not getting a line of dialogue about being pilots" - they are however presented as extremely capable, respected and feared military leaders at the very top of their respective organisations, and with extremely capable, respected and feared military leaders comes a certain skill set and level of experience.

Rey, on the other hand, is presented as an orphan with zero military background or experience, scratching a living of one-quarter portions in exchange for scavenged junk in a backwater colony on a dust bowl of a planet. Can you see the difference there?

7 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Rey, on the other hand, is presented as an orphan with zero military background or experience, scratching a living of one-quarter portions on exchange for scavwnged junk in a backwater colony on a dust bowl of a planet.

That sounds familiar...

As for Anakin, yeah, a lot of the stuff he did DID get a pass because A) it's Baby Vader, (see how people defend Vader Down for how ridiculously over the top he is compared to the OT. Vader is the Batman of the Star Wars Universe) and B) those Space Parasites are used to handwave and justify it. The main thing people targeted Anakin for when I saw it was for Jake Lloyd giving a horrible and "it would be GENEROUS to call it annoying" performance.

So if Anakin and Luke get a pass for their Space Parasites, then Rey should, too.

On 7/21/2018 at 2:12 AM, Marinealver said:

Leia does has some moments where she is the take charge but then again she was also put in a rather objectifying metal bikini.

Which I think is something that actually stemmed from Carrie Fisher wanting to have Leia get a more 'feminine' looking outfit in ROTJ, though obviously Lucas and the others pushed it too far, there is a reason they had to change the person who was working on making the breast pieces for the costume. And at least while she did get put in that costume she did get to straight up murder the guy who did it to he, I don't know what else we can call that but being empowered. Leia as a whole, at least in my mind, is far more competent than Luke and Han.

18 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Then Luke is too.

That argument is more just to shut down a conversation more than anything. Luke isn't a Gary Stu, if we are looking for a Star Wars Gary Stu then just target Anakin since in the TPM he is one, though he loses that status moving forward with ATOC. At present, Rey still seems to be in that category for me; but I am trying to be open minded to an extent and hopefully episode nine will move her out of that category. If for no other reason to end this specific argument.

8 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Mulan is, to me, a good example of a strong character, female or otherwise. For that matter, a very good example is A Game Of Thrones' Brienne of Tarth, because she is literally played by the same actress as Captain Phasma, who is a heavily marketed character who feels pointless in what they actually achieve on screen, similar to Boba Fett**. (Other contemporary good characters that could be reached for from current Sci-Fi would be Bobby Draper or Christjen Avasarala from the Expanse).

• Do I like Rey as a character? No. However, I think there are fundamental writing problems with the whole trilogy.
  • Frankly Finn's story to date is far worse, both in plot (there are so many plot holes and pointless bits in the whole Canto Bight concept it's untrue), character (he's refusing to fight/he's heck-yeahing gunning down the people he grew up with/he's a coward/he's a hero/he's a coward again/he's a kamikaze) and skills (are you a stormtrooper or a janitor? I didn't know Stormjanitor was a thing)

I do feel that Phasma is one of the most wasted characters in these films, she is being portrayed by a great actress, or at least one I like, and never really gets to do anything.

As for Finn I think he suffers from the writers wanting to make a joke in TFA with the janitor line. Unless they later reveal that Sanitation means some spec-ops force for the FO. And then he and Rose both suffer from a pointless plot in TLJ which takes up a fair bit of time for the entire sake of surprising the audience that the heroes failed.

TFA as a whole suffers at world building and trying to actually explain the state of the galaxy but TLJ suffers from Rian Johnson wanting to ALWAYS subvert the audience's expectations over everything else. The ST as a whole just suffers from their writing, which is one of the reasons I wish they'd move away from a yearly release to at least a 2 year or 3 year gap between connected films so that they can further iron out issues with the script and refine the work. At least the extra time would hopefully do that.

6 hours ago, ViscerothSWG said:

Mulan is about Mulan. There are zero scenes that aren't about Mulan in Mulan. If you want Rey to have as much of a journey as Mulan, then you need to give her as much screen time and plot focus as Mulan. And a magic dragon to get her out of situations the writer blocked her into.

I mean, I wouldn't exactly mind if they did a film down the line with a Jedi who had some kind of familiar in the same way that Ezra was naturally gifted with the force in regards to animals.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Also yawn at this thread for TLJ clickbait video #3052. Lots of people regurgitating the same old sentiments because they know being controversial is an easy way to gain clicks and to be linked over and over again in arguments.

The person making the video has been doing content on TLJ for some time. Now this thread itself, yea its a bit clickbaity and has stirred up those still willing to argue about the film unlike Lace Jetstreamer's other attempts in the Off Topic Forums recently.

45 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

That's not to say that Rey doesn't have some things come to her awfully easy, but there's VERY MUCH a double-standard at work, and things that would be/have been forgiven with other characters *COUGH*TPM!Anakin*COUGH* she gets singled out for.

And in TPM he is a Gary Stu, which ended up leading to the poor actor getting harassed the crap out of. At least he isn't one in ATOC, but he does become an unlikable whiny snot with terrible direction, thank god for the Clone Wars and making Anakin actually likable.

9 hours ago, ViscerothSWG said:

There are zero scenes that aren't about Mulan in Mulan.

Just now, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Pocahontas had more accuracy.

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Pocahontas had more accuracy.

Given that the story of Mulan is a Chinese legend/myth, accuracy isn't necessary. Meaning, the story for chinese people is about the morals presented. Especially the concept that Chinese Women can be empowered in a male dominated society.