30 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Or some kind of adult themed surprise.....

I think it's probably for the best that I avoid going dirty with my jokes for a bit ?

33 minutes ago, Ewok on Stilts said:

"[If] life wasn't funny, it would just be true. And that is unacceptable."

- Carrie Fisher

9 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

I think it's probably for the best that I avoid going dirty with my jokes for a bit ?

Whaaaaaaaahhhhht?! Did we all of a sudden start browsing a form on soap? No need to keep things so squeaky clean, roll in the filth, love the filth, become one with the filth. ?

4 hours ago, Noosh said:

Whaaaaaaaahhhhht?! Did we all of a sudden start browsing a form on soap? No need to keep things so squeaky clean, roll in the filth, love the filth, become one with the filth. ?

This is a family friendly forum.

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

This is a family friendly forum.

Is this the part where I tell him to “piss off?”

Calm down you're all great people. I really love all of your fleet builds. Or something close to that.

Honestly I could care less about an announcement happening in terms of bringing new content to the game... The general consensus seems to be that wave 7 Armada is fantastic! I'm still creating new stuff, trying it out, updating old lists, trying them out, tweaking stuff here and there... There is a pile of content here already and Armada seems to be far from solved imo, as much as some parties seem bent on declaring otherwise.

That said I do believe an announcement at a big convention is highly important at this point because if armada needs anything at this point, it's exposure. This is critical to bringing in new players, which is imo the only thing armada really needs at this point... The scene is fairly healthy in general, and where I live even casual tourneys have strong turnouts... But When I go to play at the store there are still a lot of people playing other games which baffles me... Armada is the greatest game on the planet, why anyone would want to play anything is beyond me! More people need to see this and that is what a high profile announcement can do, far beyond a casual article release on a Monday afternoon...

So yeah, here's to hoping for something big at gen con!

16 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

This is a family friendly forum.

And they called the aristocrats!!!!!

I hear there's over 400 new releases being announced at Gencon...

6 hours ago, beefcake4000 said:

I hear there's over 400 new releases being announced at Gencon... 

only 5 of which are by FFG!

?

note - I'm the otherside of the pond and honestly have no idea in reality....

Last Gencon we were promised something big, and then we got the Chimera and Radus expansions, but then we were told that it wasn't the big thing we should have expected. I have a couple of theories. First we are getting something really really cool and it is hoped that it will draw more people into the game, but the bigwigs and FFG didn't want it to distract from the Legion release of the announcement of X-wing 2.0. Whether or not you play these games, All three games are targeted at the table top gaming market. It is a sad fact that table top gaming companies can be their own competition. I know I save up a bunch of money for Legion, and then got super excited for X-wing 2.0. The problem is I can only maintain excitement for so many games. While FFG is drawing my attention to Legion and X-wing they are not giving me anything to keep my attention on Armada.

I love Armada, but with my recent purchase of Legion I am looking for a place to cut my gaming budget both in money and time. I am really really worried that even if FFG does announce something at Gencon, it might not be enough to draw me back in.

Here are some speculations for Armada

1 - A really big cool wave: How cool can it really be. Sure it might be meta warping, and people who want to keep playing, that might actually push me the other way.

2 - Giant Dreadnought style ships and epic-like play. Honestly, I love Armada, but its biggest draw back is that its games take so long. We already have a format for giant battles from CC, and thought they are fun they are terribly exhausting and I can only do one or two a year. So I am not really excited for a Armada format that makes everything take even longer.

3 - Another Campaign. Honestly CC was the coolest thing to ever happen to Armada and a more involved better new campaign (it would probably have to include new ships) is probably the best thing they could do, but all it would really do is replace the stale CC that I have now play three through three times.

4 - A new addition. In some ways this might be the only thing big enough, IMO, to justify such a long wait for its announcement. If you have been paying attention to the X-wing 2.0 stuff it is awesome. But X-wing was broken by its own meta in a way that Armada just isn't. I don't here anyone calling out for a second addition. I have thought a lot about this, and I have wondered what second additions changes could make this game better. Honestly, if I were is charge, i would try to make some major changes to make these games faster so people could play in less time. But any changes I can think of to do this would essentially be changing the game to another game still themed about star wars capital ships. I would like to see this game play more like x-wing, but I think I am in the minority here. Armada fans like the game mechanics as well as the theme. I think if they did change Armada to make it more x-wing-like it would anger some of their current fan base. After all, if they liked the X-wing mechanics better than the Armada mechanics, why wouldn't they just play X-wing. Sure there are reasons, but I know a lot of Armada players who really like the Armada game play better than the x-wing game play.

In conclusion, I honestly think of anything that could be announced at GenCon that would justify this long delay and reenergize me about Armada the delay + distractors from other games has just been sooooo strong.

I'm not saying I'm done. I love Armada, but it isn't my only love. I have had a ton of fun with this game, and would be sad to see it go. I will still probably play it from time to time, but It has been my number one game for a few years, and I just don't see how FFG can restore it back to that position.

PS After saying all of this, my deepest hope is that they do something I just didn't anticipate and blows me away. Part of my still sort of believes this is what will happen.

When I think of it now, I hope they will mention Armada by name once, acknowledge its existence, calm us down,

with all 2.0 and Legion going on, I don't think any waves will hit our shores for some foreseeable future yet hopefully we will see a tsunami* in the near future ( perhaps '19 Gencon)

* perhaps caused by a supersized object falling into ocean

FFG at Gencon 2018:

- We'd like to take a moment to talk about how amazing the support for Legion is, and we want you all to look forward to even more expanses.

- We are so excited to see X-Wing 2.0 release with early copies for sale on the show floor, and here is an early look at what we have planned for Wave 2 and moving forward.

- Imperial Assault, I hope that you all enjoy the new expansion and fan favorite Rebels character.

- Armada, Well... *looks at the camera* All we can say is something REALLY big is coming, so keep looking forward to our future announcement.

On 7/19/2018 at 2:40 AM, Ginkapo said:

This is a family friendly forum.

How exactly do you think families happen?

18 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

How exactly do you think families happen?

Not with crass talk on an internet forum if thats what you are implying.

6 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Not with crass talk on an internet forum if thats what you are impl  ying.

Now it is through crass talk on an app, damned millennials!

Well, I for one have like 5 New expansions to try out still! I don't mind waiting a little longer ?

But I think I'm in the minority here with that view

So if there is no update at gencon, our chances of getting a release this year will be pretty slim. Will we still have a chance of a 2018 release if there is no article posted by the end of August?

9 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

So if there is no update at gencon, our chances of getting a release this year will be pretty slim. Will we still have a chance of a 2018 release if there is no article posted by the end of August?

Depends on how finished the realeas is. I.e wave 4 was announced when it was virtually shipping haha.

But if they are still in developing probably not

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On 7/17/2018 at 6:58 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Unless FFG wants to consolidate its playerbases into fewer games. If you have 100 customers, it's better to have 50 spending on Product A and 50 spending on Product B than it is to have 20 customers each spending on products A, B, C, D, and E. Because it's less products to design, test, print, ship, advertise, and support. There is certainly a value to having your portfolio diversified and your eggs not all in one basket, but it can quickly be diminishing returns to have too many baskets.

FFG may have felt that they were saturating the table-top and card-based Star Wars game market a bit too much, and that they had diluted the interested playerbases too much with all the games they had added over the past six years. If players stop buying Armada, it's probably just about if not more likely that they start buying X-Wing or Legion than it is that they give up the hobby all together or move to another game company's offerings.

So, killing the LCG and letting Aramada and Imperial Assault wither could be part of a funnel strategy.

It sounds sound but it's not what happens in reality at least in our meta. We have almost NO overlap from X-Wing / Armada players. The systems speak to completely different playertypes and i guarantee you that maybe 10% of the Armada players might switch to X-Wing if at all if Armada was cancelled. Yes, i'm sure there's a ton of people who can anecdotally "proof" me wrong because they know some people who are different but this is a question for each meta / country that's probably answered different.

I have 2 completely different customerbases for both games as already said and they tend to go for genre (Strategy Games / Armada or Tactical / X-Wing). I don't have a single X-wing player from the top of my head (although they do exist i'm sure) that picked up legion of course, but i have alot of Armada Players that dipped their feet into Legion at the moment. Same btw for Destiny.

I highly doubt that this is the case. Bare any FFG sources or insider information that's just a nice theory since FFG is not the only thing that exists in the Gaming Hobby, they definitely don't stall one product line in the hopes the other doesn't get cannibalised. There are much much closer systems to X-Wing than for instance Armada and they are not coming from FFG. What you describe is a perfectly valid strategy, but for a Retailer, not a Publisher.

9 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Not with crass talk on an internet forum if thats what you are implying.

Wait, you mean that stork has been lying to me all these years!?

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

So if there is no update at gencon, our chances of getting a release this year will be pretty slim. Will we still have a chance of a 2018 release if there is no article posted by the end of August?

At this point I'm not expecting anything, and if were to get something it would be squeaking in there at the end of the year or more likely pushed to a release sometime in say January or February. I'd love to be proven wrong but with X-Wing looking like it is getting a release in September, December, and February and Legion getting something every month, add in Runewars and it is likely they are just all eating up too much of FFG's production resources to get anything to us. I guess we can take solace in getting at least getting the MC75 and Chimera this year...even if they were originally slated for Q4 2017.