37 minutes ago, JauntyChapeau said:

I will have no choice but to assume they will no longer be supporting the game.

You will have more choices, you could assume that if they were no longer supporting the game they would probably announce that.

8 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

You will have more choices, you could assume that if they were no longer supporting the game they would probably announce that.

Certainly. Although, how many months are you willing to go before operating under the assumption that no more content is coming? 8? 12? At a certain point, it won't even *matter* if/when Wave 8 comes out. Too long between releases is not healthy for a collectible wargame, and even if we assume there is a release announced at GenCon, we'd probably be looking at another 2 months before it hits stores if we go by previous schedules. Eight months between product releases is not enough momentum to maintain a growing or even static player base.

Regional play groups (Chicagoland, Denver) are beginning or already have atrophied over the last year or so and once gone, they will not come back. Players move on to obsessing about other games and most of us don't have time for more than one seriously played miniature game. I moved to Denver four months ago a week before the Regional, which attracted 20 players - not bad. In the months since, every play group in Denver has completely disappeared. I was willing to drive an hour to reach a group, but I was unable to play for three weeks. In that time, because I was gone, the whole thing died. Players have moved on to other games as their primary and are unable to devote time to Armada. Games with healthy growth and player bases do not react this way.

3 hours ago, Crabbok said:

Don't worry. Even if there's no Gencon Update for Armada... remember that last year they waited a week AFTER GenCon before announcing Thrawn and Wave 7.

It might make business sense for them to wait. X-Wing 2.0 is launching, so from a certain point of view, having another announcement for a competing game MIGHT not mesh well with whatever they DO plan to announce.

So just in case we don't see an Armada announcement at Gen Con - give it at least one more week before the panic kicks in. And if you are there, find me and hold my hand because we'll need to join forces to stay strong. Maybe summon Captain Planet or something.

If they don't announce something at Gencon then I suspect we likely won't hear anything until around the first or second week of October. Looking at Legion and IA they didn't announce anything new for IA, which was in a similarish position to Armada, until some time after Legion dropped on March 22nd with IA getting their announcement on April 13th. If FFG feels the game competes with X-Wing 2.0 or its attention they likely will try to give X-Wing a buffer of time to soak up attention before announcing something for Armada.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Is this true? I was at Gencon, and I'm like 85% sure they announced the MC75/Chimaera at Gencon's In-Flight Report? Am I crazy and/or suffering from a false memory (both certainly possible).

Likely the Mandela effect. It was announced after the fact, I distinctly remember people being a bit pissy with the vague 'Something Big is coming' as their only acknowledgement to the game.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Unless FFG wants to consolidate its playerbases into fewer games. If you have 100 customers, it's better to have 50 spending on Product A and 50 spending on Product B than it is to have 20 customers each spending on products A, B, C, D, and E. Because it's less products to design, test, print, ship, advertise, and support. There is certainly a value to having your portfolio diversified and your eggs not all in one basket, but it can quickly be diminishing returns to have too many baskets.

FFG may have felt that they were saturating the table-top and card-based Star Wars game market a bit too much, and that they had diluted the interested playerbases too much with all the games they had added over the past six years. If players stop buying Armada, it's probably just about if not more likely that they start buying X-Wing or Legion than it is that they give up the hobby all together or move to another game company's offerings.

So, killing the LCG and letting Aramada and Imperial Assault wither could be part of a funnel strategy.

I think it is fair to say that Armada has never been FFG's flagship game, if I remember correctly IA and Armada's core sets were supposed to drop at the same time or around that period but Armada got pushed later into the next year. And now with FFG having Legion and X-Wing 2.0 being their flagship Star Wars mini games, and with both games eating up attention and resources at the factory it might just be that Armada as always is getting pushed to the side to let those larger market games succeed more.

3 hours ago, ripper998 said:

If there is no announcement it maybe time to start looking at other games. Armada is my only tt game right now but it’s starting to get stale

Me too, it’s my only game if I no see anything I probably start selling all my stuff

22 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Likely the Mandela effect. It was announced after the fact, I distinctly remember people being a bit pissy with the vague 'Something Big is coming' as their only acknowledgement to the game.

I can back this as well. GenCon had no official wave for Armada. Just a quick slide, and then onto Legion.

GenCon will showcase X-Wing 2.0 and Legion.

There will be no Armada news. Why? As a business I want to promote my the 'new big thing' especially when X-Wing has lost tons of people over the years. 2.0 could bring back thousands of former players.

I wouldn't be surprised if we dont hear anything. There's no reason to go this long without a normal expansion announcement, even just a preview unless there was something wrong or an on purpose business decision. In September / October we will probably get a teaser for the new expansion and I wouldn't be surprised if Armada 2.0 is announced for a Q1 Q2 19' drop.

By then Legion and X Wing ReDux should have their feet planted.

50 minutes ago, JauntyChapeau said:

Certainly. Although, how many months are you willing to go before operating under the assumption that no more content is coming? 8? 12? At a certain point, it won't even *matter* if/when Wave 8 comes out. Too long between releases is not healthy for a collectible wargame, and even if we assume there is a release announced at GenCon, we'd probably be looking at another 2 months before it hits stores if we go by previous schedules. Eight months between product releases is not enough momentum to maintain a growing or even static player base.

Regional play groups (Chicagoland, Denver) are beginning or already have atrophied over the last year or so and once gone, they will not come back. Players move on to obsessing about other games and most of us don't have time for more than one seriously played miniature game. I moved to Denver four months ago a week before the Regional, which attracted 20 players - not bad. In the months since, every play group in Denver has completely disappeared. I was willing to drive an hour to reach a group, but I was unable to play for three weeks. In that time, because I was gone, the whole thing died. Players have moved on to other games as their primary and are unable to devote time to Armada. Games with healthy growth and player bases do not react this way.

I already operate under the certainty of nothing coming. I mean, they didn't announced anythin so anything is coming to me (but a vague big thing).

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

I already operate under the certainty of nothing coming. I mean, they didn't announced anythin so anything is coming to me ( but a vague big thing).

When you say it like that it sounds like something in a horror story. I love how subtle changes between languages make a difference.

Everyone that is going to the Gencon in flight report should ask about the future of this game.

I'm still taking them at their word that there is a big expansion coming, and I believe my shadowy sources that it's the SSD ( Executor ).

Wait... shadowy sources...

Shadow forces?

We're getting a Babylon 5 crossover? I'm down with that.

Well if we don't get anything at Gencon or the rest of this year I may just get into 40k Kill Team. Really liking the small scale faster game idea for Warhammer

I remember CEO of FFG stating the biggest challenge they have is the production of miniatures. I wonder, especially with 2.0 they are printing a lot of X-Wing material and with all moving wings and other detail stuff, production is taking much longer than usual, therefore there is no time to produce new Armada ships till they get 2.0 on track. Thats my assumption,

3 hours ago, JauntyChapeau said:

Certainly. Although, how many months are you willing to go before operating under the assumption that no more content is coming? 8? 12? At a certain point, it won't even *matter* if/when Wave 8 comes out. Too long between releases is not healthy for a collectible wargame, and even if we assume there is a release announced at GenCon, we'd probably be looking at another 2 months before it hits stores if we go by previous schedules. Eight months between product releases is not enough momentum to maintain a growing or even static player base.

Regional play groups ( Chicagoland , Denver) are beginning or already have atrophied over the last year or so and once gone, they will not come back. Players move on to obsessing about other games and most of us don't have time for more than one seriously played miniature game. I moved to Denver four months ago a week before the Regional, which attracted 20 players - not bad. In the months since, every play group in Denver has completely disappeared. I was willing to drive an hour to reach a group, but I was unable to play for three weeks. In that time, because I was gone, the whole thing died. Players have moved on to other games as their primary and are unable to devote time to Armada. Games with healthy growth and player bases do not react this way.

Uh, hi, Chicagoland native here. Our group is doing fine (we just had a 16 person store championship with a few out of town guests and new players too), and a few others have been opening groups up on the north side. There's a contingent in the South Suburbs that's been small and has been having a little bit of issues finding space to play, but they're using the local library or coming out to Downer's Grove.

So, if Chicagoland is "dead," please let me know who's looking for a group or place to play, I can direct them to several different stores. It might be a drive, but that's Chicago? It's only about 15 minutes anyways (jokes only Chicagoland people get...)

if nothing at gencon I won't waste money on xwing 2.0.. I'll still get the rebels/thrawn expansion for IA tho cuz reasons. And Fallout new California. but that's IT I'll totally kick the FFG crack apart from those 2 (counting IA wave as 1 thing) things. Until they eventually do make an Armada announcement.

8 hours ago, Crabbok said:

Don't worry. Even if there's no Gencon Update for Armada... remember that last year they waited a week AFTER GenCon before announcing Thrawn and Wave 7.

It might make business sense for them to wait. X-Wing 2.0 is launching, so from a certain point of view, having another announcement for a competing game MIGHT not mesh well with whatever they DO plan to announce.

So just in case we don't see an Armada announcement at Gen Con - give it at least one more week before the panic kicks in. And if you are there, find me and hold my hand because we'll need to join forces to stay strong. Maybe summon Captain Planet or something.

Stop trying to defend FFG at this point. They no longer deserve that as of at minimal 2 months ago.

22 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

Stop trying to defend FFG at this point. They no longer deserve that as of at minimal 2 months ago.

Oh C'mon we appreciate his optimism... or possibly delusion... the difference between those two really is just timing.

I for one am essentially entering Armada Hibernation. I'm keen for the things I can be keen for - Store Champs. IF we get nationals in Aus I'll be keen for that too... beyond that, someone wake me up if something happens.

I think they announce Rogues and Villains 2 with repackages of Mandalorian Fighters.

Saw's Renegades for U-Wing and new X-Wing pilots?

1 hour ago, beefcake4000 said:

Oh C'mon we appreciate his optimism... or possibly delusion... the difference between those two really is just timing.

I for one am essentially entering Armada Hibernation. I'm keen for the things I can be keen for - Store Champs. IF we get nationals in Aus I'll be keen for that too... beyond that, someone wake me up if something happens.

4 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

I think they announce Rogues and Villains 2 with repackages of Mandalorian Fighters.

Saw's Renegades for U-Wing and new X-Wing pilots?

FFG: "And that is it, small is the new big!" *cough* You are the red headed step child of our Star Wars mini line *cough*

7 hours ago, geek19 said:

Uh, hi, Chicagoland native here. Our group is doing fine (we just had a 16 person store championship with a few out of town guests and new players too), and a few others have been opening groups up on the north side. There's a contingent in the South Suburbs that's been small and has been having a little bit of issues finding space to play, but they're using the local library or coming out to Downer's Grove.

So, if Chicagoland is "dead," please let me know who's looking for a group or place to play, I can direct them to several different stores. It might be a drive, but that's Chicago? It's only about 15 minutes anyways (jokes only Chicagoland people get...)

Totally the same at the front range. Just started a new community at one FLGS (Although its hard because they only have 3 tables that work for armada, and 5 for X-wing (counting the armada three), ad the other FLGS had a game tonight as well. A bit slow because summer, but we easily can draw 10+ people for tournaments. When I mentioned the slow release schedule to one player, they mentioned liking it because it makes the game cheaper to maintain.

16 hours ago, JauntyChapeau said:

Certainly. Although, how many months are you willing to go before operating under the assumption that no more content is coming? 8? 12?

The situation now isn't so different to the time between wave 2 and 3. Wave 2 was announced April 6, 2015. It took more than 11 months until wave 3 was announced March 16, 2016. After that wave 4, 5, and CC came very fast.

Armada wasn't dead 2015 and isn't yet.

The difference between a faction/force and a whole game....

game with out updates in 12 months - ie firestorm armada... = dead (tm)

faction with out updates in 3+ years - ie Sisters of Battle = collectors piece

on a side note... yes Armada is dead, but some-one is (supposedly) going to attempt to revive it... if your talking about Firestorm Armada ?

Perhaps if FFG is extensively trying to produce X-Wing 2.0 and Legion, our "something big" (it would really make sense if this was an SSD) is on backburner because it is so large that it is not their priority to put out. They could have finalized the cards and everything for months now but don't want to say anything until it is close to being in production so we don't have wait forever from announcement to release.

20 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

When you say it like that it sounds like something in a horror story. I love how subtle changes between languages make a difference.

Or some kind of adult themed surprise.....