On 7/17/2018 at 9:06 AM, Visovics said:

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On 7/18/2018 at 6:58 PM, Visovics said:

##role confirmed

Shame... no name abreviation is funnier for a leader than HQ...

Jokes aside, for a Ninja, you're having quite a bit of public attention aren't you Cninj?

On 7/19/2018 at 7:50 AM, Visovics said:

We may be the Jakku Jokers, but we are not a group of comedians Pod...

On 7/19/2018 at 8:43 PM, Visovics said:

D1 is almost always a loose cannon...

but we need to start talkiing more otherwise we'll run out of time

On 7/21/2018 at 7:42 PM, Visovics said:

First of all, very sorry for the silence, I didn’t expect Three’s signal coverage to be so **** when going anywhere for holidays.

Second of all, poor Jabba, the guys needs more opportunities as town to get a normal grip of the game xD

now more seriously, I agree with Ovi here, talking about roles right now is more benefitial to scum, especially as just bystanders, so would be better to stop speculating on what town has and instead focus on who scum is.

That was a lot to take in at once, so I’ll post who has a scummy vibe to me after another reread

On 7/21/2018 at 8:09 PM, Visovics said:

ok was making a long post but this just feels to ironic with today Ebon, like seriously

On 7/21/2018 at 8:19 PM, Visovics said:

Pod and Ebon - don't think either is scum, both seem to be playing ways they normally play as town, and the exchange seemed to mainly revolve around the grudge

Ovi - feels town, and well, Ninja ain't dead yet, so I take it as a sign...

LTD - doesn't feel very scummy, but his motives of voting at the beginning to just feel like giving an excuse he can use later if that target came out town, so kinda not so convinced he's as innocent as he sounds

Trance - Quiet, but as a new player, I think he is more grasping more of the how to play, I think if he was scum he would try more to be active

Preyer - Not as much flavour as usual, but he seems to be genuinely scum hunting, so I'll say town for now

Cninj - just like Mad can never get a good read of this guy, feels town but could completely be just scum playing well

Moose - his post on opinion of what he thought of Broba seems weird... sounds like trying to distance from the kill?... Or he is just lost, cos he sounds a bit like it

Nips - don't know much how to feel, with his new playstyle kinda hard to see a pattern without much to compare to, but motives look like townish

On 7/21/2018 at 9:21 PM, Visovics said:

“So this is how liberty dies, with a tunderous applause”

Good luck! And conhratulations!

On 7/22/2018 at 11:09 AM, Visovics said:

I think Ebon’s argument against Preyer is very far fetched and overcomplicated and forced...

Tho LTD’s really has me believing that Preyer it at least not town, not having many opportunities to check in, but will try as much as I can for the next few days, I think during the week I’ll have Wi-Fi

On 7/23/2018 at 2:14 PM, Visovics said:

INDEED WIFI DURING WEEK

Now onto catching up for the next 2 pages

On 7/23/2018 at 2:22 PM, Visovics said:

Okay, Trance is a definite what the ****, you're alive because scum didn't nk you as they want to throw shade on you? weird remark, sounds to me like it was something already planned, and something to try and counter the train to whoever is accusing you.

I'll wait for his claim, but now that I have connection I'll keep watch and if he doesn't come will drop the hammer when day nears an end...

On 7/24/2018 at 6:28 PM, Visovics said:

Well, seems LTD wasn’t so scummy after all...

On 7/24/2018 at 8:53 PM, Visovics said:

This takes too many assumptions as facts

On 7/24/2018 at 8:55 PM, Visovics said:

oi you, Dead Man Tell No Tales

On 7/24/2018 at 9:07 PM, Visovics said:

with rng could well have been, unless someone can confirm a roleblock tho, I'm almost sure that it's an SK only that we need to find

On 7/24/2018 at 10:05 PM, Visovics said:

Ok no I hadn’t seen blocker was a town role, ignore me

On 7/24/2018 at 10:34 PM, Visovics said:

Unless I missed something, it's still totally possible

On 7/24/2018 at 10:52 PM, Visovics said:

Actually a T doesn't equate to a Vanilla

the more Ts the more vanillas there will be, but it's not a for each T is a vanilla

On 7/24/2018 at 11:18 PM, Visovics said:

Well, basically the more town roles, the less Ts, because the random will have been other letters.

The more of other letters = more roles for town and so less Ts give a stronger anti-town

Less of other letters = more Ts, which gives a weaker scum team to balance

As of now, only 1 town that died, wasn't vanilla, Broba, our 1-shot cop

And so literally with 6 players left, there are 6 letters that could be unaccounted for, and they could be anything

On 7/24/2018 at 11:47 PM, Visovics said:

Almost, the 7 Ts are impossible because we know that at least a C was rolled too

On 7/25/2018 at 7:34 AM, Visovics said:

An actual case or just trying to get reactions again?

On 7/25/2018 at 4:01 PM, Visovics said:

This post still sounds odd to me as an excuse type of post

It serves no purpuose as town

and could just be the killer trying to make himself have an opinion that the killer wouldn’t

On 7/25/2018 at 4:02 PM, Visovics said:

Dangit sent early, there were a few more things I was gonna put with that

On 7/25/2018 at 4:03 PM, Visovics said:

And then this, claiming at an almost non-existing pressure

On 7/25/2018 at 11:28 PM, Visovics said:

Most suspicious read I have is mando, followed by Ninj

tho voting for Mando and putting him at -1 rn for pressure is useless, he already claimed...

But also anyone who speed hammers him after would be looked at next day...

##vote MandalorianMoose

Gimme a good reason for why you shouldn’t die

On 7/26/2018 at 2:13 PM, Visovics said:

That wasn’t a case...

On 7/27/2018 at 7:23 AM, Visovics said:

Can we keep this thread to game?

I think if you want to talk that then necromance the Day 0 thread, otherwise quiet, please

On 7/27/2018 at 7:55 PM, Visovics said:

Dangit I was thinking Pod was a Vig...

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

and seems we are still 50/50 on SK or Roleblocker

3 hours ago, Visovics said:

Yeh, I have had some complications in life, and ended up getting very little time for mafia

I am absolutely lost on the situation, trying to get a good read, but can’t see any of you as scum...

3 hours ago, Visovics said:

Yeh I do agree I had quite the lack of activity...

and usefulness...

my only issue with dying is that it gets town even closer to losing

So asides from what I feel is a quieter approach to the game than might be expected, the only thing that really leaps out at me (and I may be wrong so please correct me if so!) is the strange combination of @Visovics being very knowledgeable and helpful around game composition and then later saying that “we are still 50/50 on SK or Roleblocker” when I had thought that we have already determined that it was an SK left.

4 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

So asides from what I feel is a quieter approach to the game than might be expected, the only thing that really leaps out at me (and I may be wrong so please correct me if so!) is the strange combination of @Visovics being very knowledgeable and helpful around game composition and then later saying that “we are still 50/50 on SK or Roleblocker” when I had thought that we have already determined that it was an SK left.

Actually checking logistics again it’s only possible with have an SK... I just think I missed where it was determined

On 7/16/2018 at 10:45 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

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On 7/18/2018 at 9:13 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

##role confirmed

On 7/19/2018 at 9:16 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I tried to post something, but I'm terrible with jokes, and haven't really had the time to look into others' posts for anything meaningful, so I gave up.

I find Broba's promise interesting, but can't make head or tail of it. LTD I think was just joking, not breadcrumbing.

On 7/20/2018 at 9:01 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Who is NOPE? What does it stand for?

Well aside from me just saying 'I'm not scum', I dunno what I can say that you will believe. I've been following the conversation sporadically, unfortunately I have been fairly busy and have not been able to post until now. I thought the day ended later.

Most interesting to me are Pod's behavior and your promise. I've mentioned your promise before, and have decided to wait and see what becomes of it. As for Pod, I dunno. I would have thought he was a jester, only there are none in this setup. So his behavior makes no sense. Since we have so little time left, I might as well

##vote @PodRacer

for though I am slightly hesitant to do so, I haven't any better read.

On 7/20/2018 at 12:20 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I too am waiting for Jabba's response, but Ninja is slowly winning me over. I am surprised I missed that in my initial reading, though it was rather rushed.

On 7/20/2018 at 4:01 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

As I shall be busy later, and Jabba is looking more suspicious then Pod right now, I shall

##unvote

##vote Jabbawookie

On 7/22/2018 at 12:34 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Sorry folks, I had a busy morning.

I agree that Ebon's read of Preyer is plausible, but think it is a bit unlikely. Still, I shall keep an eye on them both.

LTD, however, is far more suspicious. Wanting to lynch a claimed townie in order to confirm his role? Really? Why not just make him promise not to use his role, and treat him as vanilla (if you are so eager to rid the game of his ability)? Why do the scum a favor and lynch another townie? I don't like it, so I shall

##vote @LTD

as having the most suspicious and detrimental to town proposition yet.

I shall give the thread a reread and get back to you all if something catches my eye.

On 7/22/2018 at 2:20 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I don't. It's such a commonly thought of idea (killing the guy who was after you) that most experienced scum never do it, as it is so obvious. Additionally, I didn't really read Cal as being suspicious of CNinja, so can't see a motive.

After rereading, I will note that LTD has not offered any defense of his idea to lynch the vig, despite responding to other points brought up in the same posts that criticize it. After it is mentioned two or three times he pops off with a mention of random voting (despite being in day 2 already, where we should be beyond the stage of random voting) and not even an acknowledgment of the criticism.

On 7/22/2018 at 3:13 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Maybe, but he wanted to lynch him. Why, especially if he is one-shot? Just to confirm his claim? As Ebon pointed out, it gives the scum a free townie dead. If he is lying, why would he come forward in the first place, especially knowing it's suicide? Additionally, if we don't lynch him, the scum can kill him, since he would be a confirmed townie, and that's a dangerous thing for the scum to have alive. So why ask for the reveal of the vigilante if all it means is help for scum? Seems silly to me.

On 7/22/2018 at 8:44 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I read his post, and understand the desire to ascertain which setup we are in. My issue was that he phrased it 'In the event Caldias or BrobaFett was killed by a Vigilante, it would be best for that Vigilante to come forward so we can lynch you in order to prove your claim and gain more data.'

Now, as I said, I understand the desire to confirm roles and get data. But given that he stated that he wants the vigilante to reveal himself so we can lynch him, anybody who claims vig is dead meat. So anybody doing so is likely town. Lynching a likely town to see what setup we have seems silly, since it most likely gives the scum another townie lynch (after all, what scum will step forward as vig knowing that the town intends to hammer him?) So if a vig steps forward, it only helps scum. They can either sit back and have town lynch a townie, or shoot him at night. Either way, they have a confessed/confirmed townie, which as I said is dangerous to them, and thus target #1.

And what do we get out of it? At the cost of a dead vig and a night kill we get to narrow down the potential setup. What are the number of setups knowing whether a vig exists or not results in? Unless the number is 1, is it worth 2 dead townies (the vig and the night kill)? I do not think so, and therefore think that LTD's suggestion is detrimental to town. It's immediate result is to speed up the demise of town, giving us less time to hunt scum.

On 7/23/2018 at 10:16 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Just to be clear, I am not advocating that, hence the bit in parentheses. I was merely pointing out an alternative way of ridding the game of the vig's ability, without actually taking a town life, since I interpreted LTD's post as partially desiring that in order to avoid further town-killing-town nightkills.

For my own part, I am not convinced about LTD's guilt, but he is the most suspicious to me so far due to his suggestion and how he approached it. If it was a trap, he sprung it with the lynch suggestion before anybody could think of claiming, so he ruined the chance to catch anything but town. I myself do not think discerning the setup is worth even risking a town life, let alone actually spending one, as if we continue to hunt suspicious people and the game continues, we will know that there are more (besides which, the dead's roles will reveal it in good time anyway).

On 7/23/2018 at 11:13 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I hadn't thought of that approach. That at least eases somewhat my concerns.

On 7/25/2018 at 12:09 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

About 30 hours.

I do not know who I suspect the most here, since all my reads are pretty weak.

Pod is most suspicious for providing no reasons for his votes, though as he always does this and tends to be correct enough times to not discount it, I am not sure about him.
Mando is next because he seems to have been perfectly willing to follow CNinja before, and turns on him now based on a 'gut feeling'. I can't help but feel that if it were truly a gut feeling, it would have appeared earlier. Additionally, he hammered Trance without even seeming to know what he was doing (by stating a hangover), which concerns me as it almost implies he didn't care enough to make sure he was doing the right thing (especially since everybody else was waiting for Trance's response/defense). Still, he has been distracted for the past few days, so I can see a possibility (or even probability) of either the gut feeling being ignored and/or it and the quick hammer overlooked in a rush to participate. Due to the distractions, I am prepared to give him a pass, hence Pod is my number 1.

On 7/25/2018 at 12:26 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Only very barely and, admittedly, not enough to vote on without anything more substantial. From experience I know your methods, though I cannot understand them, tend to work. So, I am as always a tad suspicious of you for the lack of explanations, but am aware that that is how you roll, so to speak.

Really I am more suspicious of Mando's behavior than yours, but chalk it up to his distraction rather than role, so that only leaves you #1 by default. I am a bit lost at this point.

On 7/25/2018 at 2:04 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Day 1, sure. I meant now, when things are more serious, and we no longer need to vote randomly.

On 7/25/2018 at 9:45 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I would rather have thought that it was the safest claim to make, given their abundance.

On 7/26/2018 at 2:57 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Beat me to the punch.

After rereading this day (and intending to reread everything), that is a suspicion I too have come to hold. Also, time is running out and I don't have any other reads, so:

##vote Mando

18 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yeah, but I have been busy. I am not quite sure what to make of the day. All my reads are dead. So, I'm trying to make time to read over the thread in an attempt to get a better perspective on things. I was planning to refrain from posting until I had something more worthwhile to add.

Hopefully, that will be soon. I am also waiting for LP's input on the same subject.

16 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, the best I can conclude is that Vis has been acting somewhat strangely. He has long tracks of silence to be broken primarily by statements like "we need to talk more" or arguments that seem original but are basically rehashes of previous points. Until, of course, his push on Mondo yesterday, when he broke character, so to speak.

All this wouldn't be particularly suspicious to me, normally, except that it doesn't seem like normal Vis, and I haven't anything better.

30 posts from Vis, 19 from GNIPs - the latter more substantial and helpful in comparison.

But comparing voting is interesting.

I get that you might not be around a lot to take part in the back and forth sometimes but I would have thought that players would be voting more often than not.

Vis: only ever voted once - for Moose.

GNIPs: votes for Pod (then switched to Jabba), then voted for LTD, then voted for Moose.

(Guys - if I’ve erred in any of this please do correct me!)

(By the way, I’m the first to admit my own voting history in this is a tragic tale of true Clousseau-esque blundering! I’ll go through it and sum it up later when I’ve got a chance. Spoiler: laser-like scum hunting accuracy it is NOT!)

Well I shall, unfortunately, be unlikely to be able to access the internet for the next several hours, and may miss the deadline. So, with the fervent hope that Vis is indeed the one we are looking for:

##vote Vis

I am aware that this is L-1, but I do need to vote sometime. I will do my best to gain internet access to check in, but there is no guarantee.

Well, I have to say, that I am the only one able to prove myself town

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

Well, I have to say, that I am the only one able to prove myself town

So do it.

8 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

So do it.

Well, I am a 1-shot vigilante, and the responsible for LTD’s death (bad move I know)

and since we are all agreed that there is an SK, we must have 5 Ts, and as our cop is dead and revealed already, there is only one space left for letters, which is my V

and so unless everyone present has a role and we are fighting a roleblocker, I am the only person present who will claim a role

8 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Well, I am a 1-shot vigilante, and the responsible for LTD’s death (bad move I know)

and since we are all agreed that there is an SK, we must have 5 Ts, and as our cop is dead and revealed already, there is only one space left for letters, which is my V

and so unless everyone present has a role and we are fighting a roleblocker, I am the only person present who will claim a role

Kaboosh!

What say you @Lord Preyerand @GhostofNobodyInParticular

Alright, I have internet!

Well, I cannot contradict Vis' claim, so

##unvote

which only leaves LP, since I am most sure of you, Cninja. Therefore:

##vote LP

##unvote @Visovics

I am Vanilla Town.

@Visovicsthat means it is up to you and me.

We only have 15 minutes, right?

15 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@Visovicsthat means it is up to you and me.

Dangit this is tough...

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

We only have 15 minutes, right?

WAIT WHAT

On 7/27/2018 at 1:27 PM, Madaghmire said:

Day 4 is upon us. It will end at ~2:30pm EST on Sunday, July 29th.

No we have a few hours still

Phew!

I have to go offline now for an hour or so but will be back for voting!

3 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

No we have a few hours still

Oh, phew! I was worried this entire time for nothing then.

You guys have until 3 pm EST, which is 2:50 hrs away

Or i guess i said 2:30.

Am I right that if we get this wrong we lose the game because say:

- you 3 decide to lynch me

- I am revealed as Vanilla Town

- a Night Kill (SK) then happens

- there are two players left: so deadlock on voting

- the SK wins with the night kill

?

Just now, Lord Preyer said:

Am I right that if we get this wrong we lose the game because say:

- you 3 decide to lynch me

- I am revealed as Vanilla Town

- a Night Kill (SK) then happens

- there are two players left: so deadlock on voting

- the SK wins with the night kill

?

Yup I'm 99.99% sure the SK is either you or Slippy Nippy.

- Vis is the Vig which explains LTD's death.

-I'm town or I would have ended it earlier.

12 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

Am I right that if we get this wrong we lose the game because say:

- you 3 decide to lynch me

- I am revealed as Vanilla Town

- a Night Kill (SK) then happens

- there are two players left: so deadlock on voting

- the SK wins with the night kill

?

Yep, this is LyLo (unless we no lynch, which is a BAD idea cos I’m likely the night target)