Splitting into 5 factions has created a problem no one has noticed yet

By Shadow345, in X-Wing

So right now, assuming say, the RZ-2 A-Wing gets the same treatment as Lando's falcon (released all of a sudden with the new wave) the two factions will at least have parity with each-other, 4 v 4. Not as good as 1E's Scum launch with 7 ships, but respectable since they're throwing two out there. Given some retooling and the added flexibility of the app, we can expect some pretty decent distribution of upgrades, ship abilities and pilots among all the ships. The ability to adjust the cost and upgrades via app should also help any problems with missed features (or rather, features made up by a guy writing a guidebook he never told anybody about until it was published). Given the significant delay in the announce and release of Lando's Falcon, FFG may also have gotten Lucasfilm and Disney to relax a little in the marketing push so they can make a better product which sells better.

That all said, epic has NEVER had faction parity. There's huge gaps in releases for that format, sometimes years. By the time we get to Resistance and FO Epic, heck possibly by the time we get to 2E epic at all, I'm sure some options will have come up which will fit in.

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32 minutes ago, OoALEJOoO said:

It's not a 1.0e Core Set anymore. It's a new idea for 2.0e Core Set, don't let earlier definitions of what a Core set is define what it could be.

A core set, by its definition, is the core of the game. It should be playable out of the box. I suppose it's possible to have a single-player core, but that sounds like a bad idea for something as expensive as a miniatures game. I don't know how many people buy just one core and that's it, but we should probably consider them as well as hardcore players.

We know that the First Order likes to take Empire things and make them BIGGER! So I think the First Order huge ships should be a...

GIANT GUNBOAT!!!

2 minutes ago, Parakitor said:

We know that the First Order likes to take Empire things and make them BIGGER! So I think the First Order huge ships should be a...

GIANT GUNBOAT!!!

In all honesty, a Missile Boat model could easily be a FO upgrade of the Gunboat. Not sure how the stats would roll out, if the Gunboat already handles missiles pretty well, but it could at least be a viable platform to start from.

This is a pretty controversial opinion, but I am a little disappointed they didn't give the K-Wing and E-Wing to the Resistance based on time-frame

What is this "Epic" you speak of?

18 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

Namely, when they re-introduce epic back into 2nd edition, Resistance and First Order are going to be down a huge ship each.

I don't even think there is a canon ship right now to fill these roles. Maybe for The Resistance one of the smaller ships flanking The Raddus in The Last Jedi?

Possibly the new show Star Wars: Resistance will have some new ships.

Why do the new factions need to be in epic right away?

On 7/9/2018 at 1:28 PM, HolySorcerer said:

From a gameplay perspective, there is no reason to choose one of those factions over the much more fleshed out OT factions.

s/gameplay/aesthetics

The Sequel Era ships do have a very similar look to the OT ships, yes. However, in gameplay terms, they should be quite different. From dev info, we expect that the sequel factions will play very differently. Both are likely to have more heavy aces and fewer, better ships than the OT factions. Furthermore, while the Empire has lots of support crew, devs have said that the First Order will generally push its pilots harder and hurt them (I'm thinking something like Ruthless on steroids)

8 hours ago, Kieransi said:

This is a pretty controversial opinion, but I am a little disappointed they didn't give the K-Wing and E-Wing to the Resistance based on time-frame

It could have fit, but I can understand why going for it might not be a good idea. I do have hopes the likes of E-Wings show up in the Resistance show, so maybe the faction in future.

38 minutes ago, gadwag said:

Both are likely to have more heavy aces and fewer, better ships than the OT factions.

Which, in all honesty, was probably decided BECAUSE there are so few ships for those factions currently.

8 hours ago, Kieransi said:

This is a pretty controversial opinion, but I am a little disappointed they didn't give the K-Wing and E-Wing to the Resistance based on time-frame

I don't think it is controversial, but it also isn't really FFGs fault, they kinda have to go with what we are being given regarding the ST era.

What I DO think should have happened though is that the studio should have gone with the legends ships that fit the timeline for the new movies. If the resistance had been flying E-Wings (and I guess K-Wings) instead of just a new X-Wing and the FO had (in the new color scheme) interceptors for basic fighters and (advanced, 2-seater) Defenders for the SF it wouldn't have broken anything. Those ships would still have been highly recognizable and fit into the "setting reset" that they wanted, with movie inclusion and new color schemes they would have been just as marketable as toys, and it would have thrown a nice bone to the legends fans who were familiar with the ships.

8 hours ago, Kieransi said:

This is a pretty controversial opinion, but I am a little disappointed they didn't give the K-Wing and E-Wing to the Resistance based on time-frame

The E-Wing has always struck me as an original design that fits into the Star Wars universe. It’s not too similar to the X-Wing but you can see similarities, a design style and almost a kit bash in the traditional way. Quite why it wasn’t brought into the ST makes my mind boggle. All those extra toy sales missed! Plus it could have had that stupid cannon above the cockpit removed.

15 hours ago, PanchoX1 said:

Isn't the Carrion Spike the name of Tarkin's ship in the Tarkin Novel?

Quite possibly. The ship looks a lot like Anakin's stealth ship from Clone Wars, for that matter.

There weren't that many cloaking warships ever built, so it might be the same ship.

[Wanders off to check]

Yes, same name. Not sure how it gets handed from the one to the other.

6 hours ago, Sasajak said:

The E-Wing has always struck me as an original design that fits into the Star Wars universe. It’s not too similar to the X-Wing but you can see similarities, a design style and almost a kit bash in the traditional way. Quite why it wasn’t brought into the ST makes my mind boggle. All those extra toy sales missed! Plus it could have had that stupid cannon above the cockpit removed.

I was going to like your post until you suggested removing the top gun of the E-wing. ?

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lol
16 hours ago, Infinite_Maelstrom said:

I was going to like your post until you suggested removing the top gun of the E-wing. ?

One of the first things I did when I bought my E-Wing was take a razor blade and slice off the top gun and glue it to the bottom. The ship looks 10x better now. :P

On 7/9/2018 at 11:58 PM, Kieransi said:

This is a pretty controversial opinion, but I am a little disappointed they didn't give the K-Wing and E-Wing to the Resistance based on time-frame

Unless I am mistaken, neither the K-wing or E-wing flavor text on the generic pilot cards, or behind the packaging mention the New Republic, right?
In the new canon, many ships had their timelines altered. For example, TIE Interceptors, TIE Defenders, A-Wings and B-wings now exist even before the Battle of Yavin, while in Legends they had much later debuts.

I always thought that FFG got permission to use Legends ships as long as they didn't mention discarded Legends timelines. So it was possible that in the new canon someone in the Alliance, somewhere, had access to a ship named E-Wing or K-wing, with the same looks as they used to have in Legends, and roughly the same armament, but that shares nothing of its history.
Basically the same case as the ships mentioned above, or in particular, the TIE Defender. A ship whose history has been radically rewritten in the new canon, although retaining the same name and general feel.
This allows Disney to create, at some point, a new canon storyline for the K-wing or the E-wing for the Galactic Civil War time span that doesn't contradict anything that their licensees have published.

Interceptors were actually tested and fielded in the same timeframe as the X-Wing, earliest use in Legends is 1 BBY. And Legends used the R-22 Spearhead (which I think the new canon has kind of gone back to basically) to explain pre-Yavin A-Wings.

On 7/9/2018 at 4:12 AM, Shadow345 said:

Namely, when they re-introduce epic back into 2nd edition, Resistance and First Order are going to be down a huge ship each.

I don't even think there is a canon ship right now to fill these roles. Maybe for The Resistance one of the smaller ships flanking The Raddus in The Last Jedi?

Possibly the new show Star Wars: Resistance will have some new ships.

No one plays epic. No one cares.

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

No one plays epic. No one cares.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine.

7 hours ago, Spider said:

I don't play epic. I don't care.

Since it was evidently untrue, I ftfy.

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It would be perfect fine with me if epic would stay within the Era of Rebellion.