I'll just leave this here.

Ol PalpLo (100/100)
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TIE Silencer: Kylo Ren (35 + 12)
+ Push the Limit (3)
+ Advanced Sensors (3)
+ Advanced Optics (2)
+ First Order Vanguard (2)
+ Autothrusters (2)
TIE Reaper: Scarif Base Pilot (22 + 10)
+ Emperor Palpatine (8)
+ Advanced Ailerons (0)
+ Lightweight Frame (2)
TIE/FO Fighter: Omega Leader (21)
+ A Score To Settle (0)

38 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Lies.

All previously stated opinions apply to 1.0 only. Kylo is not ok and nothing remotely like him should exist in 2.0

A bit too late for that.

Kylo in all likelyhood will be:

Initiative 6

Force 3

That ship is likely to keep its statline as well, and the dial.

Tech is also likely to make a comeback. It might even get some missiles. System slot as well.

So, even without a ship ability (heh... unlikely) or the as of yet unknown upgrades, it seems like it can equip supernatural reflexes, do a boost or broll, move, do something again, probably a linked action.

Even if the pilot ability changes to something really bad, even if all the tech upgrades are utterly useless (I really doubt that), and even if the ship gets no pilot ability, Kylo will be one of the best pilots in the game.

Then, add to that that we do not have 1.0 turrets anymore, and he is a nightmare.

But.... Luke can handle him.. So that's nice

3 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

But.... Luke can handle him.. So that's nice

How thematic.

8 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

W

Wrong, Kylos problem is his optimal build is only worth 47 points...

What is that build? I've been very happy with Kylo Ren(35) with Ptl(3), Ad. Sensors(3), Auto thrusters(2), and Advanced Optics(2) for 45 points. Do you use something similar, but add the title for 47? Or something else. My next list I'm going to try(while I still can mix Empire/First Order) is my Kylo with Rear Admiral Chiraneau with Expertise and Director Krenic for an even 100. Then Krenic will give Kylo an additional shield and an offensive boost(although honestly I'm not 100% sure how it works) and after Kylo shoots he can hopefully give RAC a TL to help him roll at least eyeballs for all hits(hopefully with Expertise) I'm going to try it on my next game. But I would love to know how you use Kylo.

30 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:

 What is that build? I've been very happy with Kylo Ren(35) with Ptl(3), Ad. Sensors(3), Auto thrusters(2), and Advanced Optics(2) for 45 points. Do you use something similar, but add the title for 47? Or something else. My next list I'm going to try(while I still can mix Empire/First Order) is my Kylo with Rear Admiral Chiraneau with Expertise and Director Krenic for an even 100. Then Krenic will give Kylo an additional shield and an offensive boost(although honestly I'm not 100% sure how it works) and after Kylo shoots he can hopefully give RAC a TL to help him roll at least eyeballs for all hits(hopefully with Expertise) I'm going to try it on my next game. But I would love to know how you use Kylo.

So Optimized Kylo would be much to cool for this world. Krennic can only optimize Galactic Empire ( so no Quickdraw, Omega Leader, or Kylo ). Though that is definitely not going to stop a significant % of players from doing exactly that at store champs.

As for the 47 pt build yep you got it, Title + Advanced Optics was the ideal kylo for a bit.

More recently though you will see the occasional 45 pt Kylo with just the title and no tech.

I prefer to run him with Primed Thrusters + Title at 46 pts so I can fit Palp or Quickdraw and something else for 21-22 pts (typically a striker).

I dont make perfect decisions so primed thrusters gets me out of trouble since I tend to end up stressed more often than I probably should.

I split the difference. I run Advanced Sensors on my PS 4 Silencers. A little more nimble (boost or BR into red moves *kisses fingers*), but a little bit lower action economy. Two of those and a Yorr Palpmobile is kinda solid, and I've got to try them with a Reaper sometime.

I've also got a mind to fly a 47-pt Kylo and 2xReaper list. Just Courier Droid, ISB Agent, and LWF on the PS 1s. Blockers, Jammers, pests. No doubt, a lot more fun to fly than just GUNBOATS. I love the Deadeye Rhoboat here and there. But I've only got the one Reaper. Eh. I can probably borrow a second.

*laugh what?

Kylo is awful versus super meta.

I've been flying Kylo (46) and Kath (53 - Lone Wolf, Mangler, Bomblet, Andrasta, Engine, Kallus). Rediculous fun, and either of those ships do well end game.

I've also been flying Twin Silencers and something else. Maybe its just the Silencer that's ridiculously awesome. I also prefer Blackout to any of them, but its always those wingmen I can't narrow down for him!

2 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

*laugh what?

Kylo is awful versus super meta.

Only if you fly like him in the movie ;). Fly from the shadows and strike with calculation and positional awareness, and he will take down anything.

I must say, his skill ceiling may be crazy high, but his skill floor is so low. But anyone, if they give the dedication and perseverance despite the initial numerous losses, can become a good Kylo main. Stop thinking once, and you die. Manipulate the odds and form a well-timed plan, and you achieve the impossible. Kylo is thus the Dark Souls of X-wing (cringy meme that reduces that philosophical game to merely "It's not a hand-holder" intended). Git gud.

2 hours ago, Jyico said:

Maybe its just the Silencer that's ridiculously awesome.

Pretty much this. The ship is so good that we're flying a PS9 with basically no pilot ability just because he's in a Silencer.

9 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

*laugh what?

Kylo is awful versus super meta.

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

Kylo Ren aint afraid of no ghost.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

Kylo Ren aint afraid of no ghost.

The ghost matchup is impossible. Unless you are this genius. Which we are not.

14 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

So Optimized Kylo would be much to cool for this world. Krennic can only optimize Galactic Empire ( so no Quickdraw, Omega Leader, or Kylo ). Though that is definitely not going to stop a significant % of players from doing exactly that at store champs.

As for the 47 pt build yep you got it, Title + Advanced Optics was the ideal kylo for a bit.

More recently though you will see the occasional 45 pt Kylo with just the title and no tech.

I prefer to run him with Primed Thrusters + Title at 46 pts so I can fit Palp or Quickdraw and something else for 21-22 pts (typically a striker).

I dont make perfect decisions so primed thrusters gets me out of trouble since I tend to end up stressed more often than I probably should.

But Optimized Kylo is legal until 2.0 comes out, right? Should be fun until then. I also may try the Primed Thrusters varient just for fun. Can you use PtL with Primed Thrusters? So t-roll, then boost and barrel roll? You would end with two stress but it would be crazy for positioning!

1 minute ago, JJFDVORAK said:

But Optimized Kylo is legal until 2.0 comes out, right? Should be fun until then. I also may try the Primed Thrusters varient just for fun. Can you use PtL with Primed Thrusters? So t-roll, then boost and barrel roll? You would end with two stress but it would be crazy for positioning!

no. Krennic is Galactic Empire only. No first order ships can take it.

His card says Imperial Only, just like Hux and Kylo Ren crew. Until 2.0 comes out, aren't First Order ships still considered Imperial?

1 minute ago, JJFDVORAK said:

His card says Imperial Only, just like Hux and Kylo Ren crew. Until 2.0 comes out, aren't First Order ships still considered Imperial?

Read all of the words on krennic

26 minutes ago, player2072913 said:

Read all of the words on krennic

I guess that is true, but do any ships say the words "Galactic Empire" on their card?

15 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:

I guess that is true, but do any ships say the words "Galactic Empire" on their card?

Galactic Empire and First order are subfactions of the Imperial faction. they are identified by the logo on the back of the pilot cards. so imperial only krennic crew can be put on an Upsilon shuttle but the optimized prototype condition can only be added to Galactic Empire ships

Imperial = [Galactic Empire] + [First Order]

Rebel = [Rebel Alliance] + [Resistance]

1 hour ago, PanchoX1 said:

Galactic Empire and First order are subfactions of the Imperial faction. they are identified by the logo on the back of the pilot cards. so imperial only krennic crew can be put on an Upsilon shuttle but the optimized prototype condition can only be added to Galactic Empire ships

51 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Imperial = [Galactic Empire] + [First Order]

Rebel = [Rebel Alliance] + [Resistance]

Yeah, that makes sense

Kylo doesn't have the evade action, and PTL is stapled to him. THat's all that's really needed to win against him, if you're teching towards it. A quadjumper can - and will - lower his agility to 2 and ruin his movement options (I did so just two days ago in a tournament), then decrease his agility by one. Fenn Rau with a bid can and will punch through and do 2 damage per shot, while being almost immune to anything Kylo can throw back. Quad TLTs brutally murder him, as does Ghost/Fenn under average dice. Nym's very brutal - especially with thermal detonators and Sabine.

He's a fantastic ship, but only against things that have no tools to deal with him, just like anything else in the meta.

Kylo has been one of my favorite pilots since his release. I went to system open with him, and did a great run. If he’s out pilot skilled, he’s toast. If not, you can have one excellent game.

He still suffers from damage output, sure, but he’s more “death of a thousand cuts” while being incredibly hard to hit himself.

11 hours ago, player3010587 said:

The ghost matchup is impossible. Unless you are this genius. Which we are not.

I came within one bad roll of beating a ghost build using Kylo and two Rho boats. It’s not impossible.

16 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Kylo has been one of my favorite pilots since his release. I went to system open with him, and did a great run. If he’s out pilot skilled, he’s toast. If not, you can have one excellent game.

He still suffers from damage output, sure, but he’s more “death of a thousand cuts” while being incredibly hard to hit himself.

Im not saying Kylo is better than everything else in 1.0. Hes not. Hes just cooler.

But I feel like anyone who thinks he doesn't have a chance against PS9+ doesn't run him next to Palp?

3 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

I came within one bad roll of beating a ghost build using Kylo and two Rho boats. It’s not impossible.

That's the thing about ghost fenn: even if you play a perfect game you could still easily barely lose. I've mainly beat it with Defenders, but since you came close with Kylo--aka mr don't get caught in 4/5 dice arc or die--you have my upvote.