The Ark Angel will probably be a ship similar to the Scurrg, a ship which is available to multiple factions. If I had to guess.

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The Ark Angel will probably be a ship similar to the Scurrg, a ship which is available to multiple factions. If I had to guess.

Except that isn’t true of the Scurrg anymore (and really never should have been). It’s just scum now, like Boba.

The only cross-faction ships left are Y-Wing, Hwk-290, and Z-95. YT-1300 is debatable.

My advice:

1) Don't preorder.

2) Don't count on FFG doing something they only implied they'd do.

3) Don't make a purchase with any expectation of FFG taking an action in the future; make sure you're happy spending the money you spent on the product you picked.

FFG isn't on your side, their marketing department isn't on your side. FFG exists to make money; producing games or making customers happy is a means, not an end.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Store Champ kits are gone IIRC, they're just the Competitive element of the GNKs, so I'd expect those to be everything, too.

GNKs? What are those?

1 minute ago, PanchoX1 said:

GNKs? What are those?

Game Night Kits aka the old quarter kits.

ah. Thanks. speaking of, has the second season ones been shipped? anyone seen those?

Just now, PanchoX1 said:

ah. Thanks. speaking of, has the second season ones been shipped? anyone seen those?

Q2 is the Scarif Base Pilot I think? That's definitely out I've got one.

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Q2 is the Scarif Base Pilot I think? That's definitely out I've got one.

hmmm.... my FLGS has not mentioned getting them yet. I'll need to check on that.

29 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

GNKs? What are those?

They’re power droids, the little boxes on legs. In x-wing they can slowly recharge shields.

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Fun to watch the FFG defenders resorting to a lot of snake-tongued legalese word-acrobatics B.S. to try and justify FFGs statements as “technically not incorrect from a certain temporal point of view”.

They told us we wouldn’t need to buy outside our faction for upgrade cards. We now know that is incorrect. Saying that Maul will maybe possibly be in a Rebel xpac XX years in the future, does not make FFGs statement any less incorrect for those of us who aren’t time travelers. Just accept it and let it go.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Game Night Kits aka the old quarter kits.

And here I was thinking that there was a coming event with “Gonk”s as the prizes.

The App is free, no purchase required.

The upgrade cards are to serve only as reference cards, much like the cloak, boost, ion tokens and other reference cards. You didn't need them, they were just rules supplement.

Just now, Marinealver said:

The App is free, no purchase required.

The upgrade cards are to serve only as reference cards, much like the cloak, boost, ion tokens and other reference cards. You didn't need them, they were just rules supplement.

You do need them for tournaments, , but for casual play you are correct

7 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

The upgrade cards are to serve only as reference cards, much like the cloak, boost, ion tokens and other reference cards. You didn't need them, they were just rules supplement.

This is just plain not true.

17 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

They told us we wouldn’t need to buy outside our faction for upgrade cards. We now know that is incorrect.

it's not even close to incorrect. They didn't say all cross faction cards would be available day one. It doesn't show them to be liars, it shows you to be impatient.

19 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Fun to watch the FFG defenders resorting to a lot of snake-tongued legalese word-acrobatics B.S. to try and justify FFGs statements as “technically not incorrect from a certain temporal point of view”.

They told us we wouldn’t need to buy outside our faction for upgrade cards. We now know that is incorrect. Saying that Maul will maybe possibly be in a Rebel xpac XX years in the future, does not make FFGs statement any less incorrect for those of us who aren’t time travelers. Just accept it and let it go.

They CLEARLY said on stream that a) you would not need to buy out of faction for upgrades, and b) the upgrades won't necessarily release for each faction synchronously. I don't know why people are upset or surprised about this...oh wait, yes I do - because I can't remember where they said this! If I have a chance later today I'll provide a citation.

Right now, the only citation I have is Runewars, in which they said the same thing: if you buy one faction, you will still have access to all the upgrades. Thing about Runewars is, Column Tactics helps units that have a column formation, so Waiqar NOT having that upgrade wasn't a big deal at all because later on when they finally got a unit that could use such a card, guess what - it came with Column Tactics. We'll see if FFG is so generous for X-wing Second Edition.

1 hour ago, Parakitor said:

They CLEARLY said on stream that a) you would not need to buy out of faction for upgrades, and b) the upgrades won't necessarily release for each faction synchronously. I don't know why people are upset or surprised about this...oh wait, yes I do - because I can't remember where they said this! If I have a chance later today I'll provide a citation.

I assumed it means for example Rebels won't get a Trajectory Simulator until a Rebel ship with both Device and System slots is released - it absolutely makes sense. But you can't tell me that Rebels don't have a way of fulfilling "Ezra Bridger" requirement straight away, or it is impossible for the Empire to fit Darth Vader and a crew slot, not to mention the ridiculous Moldy Crow situation.

Any other interpretation makes it not a promise, but an intentionally misleading marketing statement.

Always a little (or more than a little - ITSA TRAP!) overpriced, but I bet end of September/in October, people will be parsing out Conversion Kits online - eBay, Facebook swap and sell, etc. Also, if anyone you know local is buying multiple Scum kits, maybe work something out with them.

But yeah, it would've been cool if those crew did come in the Rebel/Imperial kits as well.

2 hours ago, Skandranon said:

You do need them for tournaments, , but for casual play you are correct

In the casual (aka Threat level) if you have the expansion you will have all the upgrade cards for the prebuilt ships. So the app/cards is not needed unless you want to do something like build your own ship configuration. If that is the case then it is an entirely different format altogether and not likely one to be officially adopted.

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is just plain not true.

On 7/4/2018 at 2:15 PM, Cloaker said:

Killbots and Maul available for imperial and Rebel use... If you buy the scum upgrade conversion box.

Are you gonna create a thread for each and every grouse you have ? Complain complain complain that's all you are good at doing.

11 hours ago, eMeM said:

I assumed it means for example Rebels won't get a Trajectory Simulator until a Rebel ship with both Device and System slots is released - it absolutely makes sense. But you can't tell me that Rebels don't have a way of fulfilling "Ezra Bridger" requirement straight away, or it is impossible for the Empire to fit Darth Vader and a crew slot, not to mention the ridiculous Moldy Crow situation.

Any other interpretation makes it not a promise, but an intentionally misleading marketing statement.

I've thought about the situation today, and I realized that you are right. It was misleading. Sure, FFG can say, "Well, it is a Scum card, that just happens to be usable in Rebel/Imperial squads." But I can totally see where people would be upset about this. Honestly, I don't care one bit about those characters, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But just because I don't care, doesn't mean you don't care, and I guess I just needed some time to come to that realization. (I still will probably never use those droids, even if they come with the future Decimator expansion pack. Shrug.)

If they follow the same upgrade strategy that they're using for Legion (which seems likely since Alex Davy is the lead designer on that game), then you'll be able to buy a single X-Wing faction if you want and still get every card that's useable for those ships. Which is good, mostly. It means that there will probably be fewer upgrades per wave since releases for every faction will get copies of a bunch of the same cards. But it should also mean that you won't need to buy ships from factions you don't play just to get a certain upgrade.

For current players, there will be card packs released with each wave containing any pilots and upgrades that are new to that wave.

TL:DR You'll get every upgrade you need even if you only buy one faction... eventually.

2 hours ago, pkreynolds said:

If they follow the same upgrade strategy that they're using for Legion (which seems likely since Alex Davy is the lead designer on that game), then you'll be able to buy a single X-Wing faction if you want and still get every card that's useable for those ships. Which is good, mostly. It means that there will probably be fewer upgrades per wave since releases for every faction will get copies of a bunch of the same cards. But it should also mean that you won't need to buy ships from factions you don't play just to get a certain upgrade.

For current players, there will be card packs released with each wave containing any pilots and upgrades that are new to that wave.

TL:DR You'll get every upgrade you need even if you only buy one faction... eventually.

Legion (or more precisely Evironmental Gear) was the reason I assumed that some upgrades wouldn't release at the same time for all factions. Which, in turn, means that the promise of not having to buy other factions may likely be complete bull if you intend to regularly go to tournaments.

4 hours ago, LordBlades said:

Legion (or more precisely Evironmental Gear) was the reason I assumed that some upgrades wouldn't release at the same time for all factions. Which, in turn, means that the promise of not having to buy other factions may likely be complete bull if you intend to regularly go to tournaments.

I mean...I guess? There's no rule that says you have to own every card to be competitive. I mean, the community had pretty much proven that most cards are garbage anyway, right? Naturally we hope Second Edition changes this, but even if it doesn't, with the wide variety of upgrades available at launch, it seems like we don't have a lot of ground to stand on when we complain about not having access to a specific upgrade card in our faction right now.

"Have faith, my love. Everything will soon be made right." --Anakin Skywalkeru

Just now, Parakitor said:

I mean...I guess? There's no rule that says you have to own every card to be competitive. I mean, the community had pretty much proven that most cards are garbage anyway, right? Naturally we hope Second Edition changes this, but even if it doesn't, with the wide variety of upgrades available at launch, it seems like we don't have a lot of ground to stand on when we complain about not having access to a specific upgrade card in our faction right now.

"Have faith, my love. Everything will soon be made right."right." --Anakin Skywalker

One needs to remember the guys designing 2.0 are the same guys that designed 1.0. The likely will release some stuff that's above the power curve at some point.

Now, they can correct it with the app, but until they do, it's out there, being played and (ab)used. If said stuff is something that all factions can make a good use of (think 1.0 Harpoon missiles) but at that point it's only available for a faction, the options are buy cross faction or play at a potential disadvantage for some time.

Og course, in practice it might be a non-issue, or a much smaller issue, for 2 reasons mainly:

- What I described above is the worst case scenario. It might very well happen with cards that are competitively irrelevant.

- If you're serious about tournament, sticking to one faction is already risky. You never know when the wheel of the meta sends your faction to the bottom and, if you have nothing else, you're stuck there, for a while at least.