7 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:Ok, then lets hammer Preyer and when he flips town we will just know the scum are the voters.
I'm not a lurker, I just don't have any items nor a particularly useful ability.
Do you really think he is?
6 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:My best case would be against LTD at this moment, or potentially revisting Visovics.
Do that case then! I want to hear that.
*muffledvoicefrombehindgag*
”Err, fellas, ‘scuse me guys but would you possibly mind pulling the trigger now please? I’ve been standing here pinned waiting for my number to be punched for over half a cycle and I wouldn’t mind gettin’ on with it if that’s alright by you please? Cheers!”
Just now, Lord Preyer said:*muffledvoicefrombehindgag*
”Err, fellas, ‘scuse me guys but would you possibly mind pulling the trigger now please? I’ve been standing here pinned waiting for my number to be punched for over half a cycle and I wouldn’t mind gettin’ on with it if that’s alright by you please? Cheers!”
do you actually WANT to die?
Just now, Lord Preyer said:*muffledvoicefrombehindgag*
”Err, fellas, ‘scuse me guys but would you possibly mind pulling the trigger now please? I’ve been standing here pinned waiting for my number to be punched for over half a cycle and I wouldn’t mind gettin’ on with it if that’s alright by you please? Cheers!”
Preyer, please just claim. If you are town you owe it to us.
“Not particularly no, but it’s a pretty hot day and I’ve been standin’ here a long time and sweet as these “Here’s looking at you! Much love, your pals in the firing squad” notes are, they don’t have endless charm for me.
When you pull the trigger I won’t be revealed as a regular trooper or as ImpScum but I’ve made my peace with the Maker (and you guys were right, I needed my weapon) and so I’m ready.
Toodles!”
14 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:Ok, then lets hammer Preyer and when he flips town we will just know the scum are the voters.
I'm not a lurker, I just don't have any items nor a particularly useful ability.
I dont like this at all, Broba. If he’s town, presumably there are still two night kills out there. If they are coordinated theres a good chance they’ll be split on the vote.
If they aren’t coordinated, the vote may not tell us anything.
Just now, Lord Preyer said:“Not particularly no, but it’s a pretty hot day and I’ve been standin’ here a long time and sweet as these “Here’s looking at you! Much love, your pals in the firing squad” notes are, they don’t have endless charm for me.
When you pull the trigger I won’t be revealed as a regular trooper or as ImpScum but I’ve made my peace with the Maker (and you guys were right, I needed my weapon) and so I’m ready.
Toodles!”
Why did you kill Gink?
“I really have to speak carefully here but think I can say this: Gink had been identified as a potential threat to Alliance security and I had orders to terminate with extreme prejudice. I did not kill CNinja and am very... confused by what happened to Moose ??
MOOOOOOOSE!! ? ? ? ”
“Can I go now please?”
16 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:I dont like this at all, Broba. If he’s town, presumably there are still two night kills out there. If they are coordinated theres a good chance they’ll be split on the vote.
If they aren’t coordinated, the vote may not tell us anything.
I dont like it either, but you can't say you won't be convinced to vote elsewhere (or it would be "very difficult" and then also say you don't like hammering him.
Do you agree, or disagree with me Mads.
Jabbawookie lynchment is interesting cause amongst the voters I have 5 confirmed town. Leaving Vis and LTD as unknown. I would bet scum should put fingers on every cake but Jabba was scum and a really obvious one. Also Caldias hammered him a bit soon so did scum have time to join in it? Hard to say.
Caldias lynchment is also interesting cause amongst the voters I have 4 confirmed town, with Mad. Leaving again two unknow: LP and LTD. LP seems 3rd party so LTD is there. It is also interesting Vis unvoted (town cred?). We already talked about such a bad move was that if Vis was scum but at the end he didn't support his own claim with his vote. It seemed a reasonable doubt after exploring what could happen. I lean to think Vis is town but the possible bluff is something I am worried about since the beginning.
And now, again both: LTD and Vis are on LP.
Also there are the human-rights zealots: Broba and Ghost. Who for one reason or another never was on a train.
I dunno yet what to think. LTD/Vis + Ghost/Broba? or 1/4?
@Lord Preyer why are you confused about what happened to Mando?
3 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:I dont like it either, but you can't say you won't be convinced to vote elsewhere (or it would be "very difficult" and then also say you don't like hammering him.
Do you agree, or disagree with me Mads.
I never said I dont like hammering Preyer. I think we’ve done the right thing getting as much information as possible out of Preyer as we could.
We know he killed Ginkapo, for...reasons? I guess? But we have reason to suspect he can’t kill again, so I do see the argument for avoiding killing him.
But you’re right, I can’t say that I cannot be convinced to vote elsewhere. Its just, I think its going to be hard to come up with a better target than someone we KNOW killed our town lynchproof, AFTER he was obviously targetted by scum. And since it was done before the Cal flip, it wasn’t like he waited to see what that result was, and that was the only blemish on Ginks record, voting for Caldias. Otherwise the only concrete info on Ginkapo was;
He voted for Scum (Jabba)
Someone (presumably scum) shot at him in the night
The doc had him read as town enough to protect him
He claimed lynchproof
Its hard to imagine a defensible cause for killing him. In which case, its hard to imagine letting his killer walk. But I do see the concern, hes been surprisingly open about it, so maybe hes being truthful about not being able to kill anymore, and so we need to find someone who can kill. Its just...gah, it rankles to let a confirmed killer walk. It just seems so wrong.
I can confirm myself town.
I am not scum.
I saw the same issue with LTD, in that he has submarined pretty well while actively voting. I also was not quite ready to let Vis off so easy. He has a visiting role but we don't know what it is, and that could very well be the NK.
That first line should, “Although I think we’ve done a good job getting as much information...”
1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:It just seems so wrong.
I don't disagree, but lets chop the heads off the snakes that can still bite.
And you read town, but you were high on my suspicion list previously. While you have uncovered Preyer as a third party killer and pushed hard for his lynch, at this point, that doesn't gain you much towncred in my book. I think you would be fine leveraging leading a lynch on a third party killer and getting towncred for it if you were scum. In fact, that would 100% be the strongest move.
You used your extinguisher, but having an item doesn't make you town. It could have been a scum item, or who knows, you could be our thief.
1 minute ago, BrobaFett said:I don't disagree, but lets chop the heads off the snakes that can still bite.
And you read town, but you were high on my suspicion list previously. While you have uncovered Preyer as a third party killer and pushed hard for his lynch, at this point, that doesn't gain you much towncred in my book. I think you would be fine leveraging leading a lynch on a third party killer and getting towncred for it if you were scum. In fact, that would 100% be the strongest move.
You used your extinguisher, but having an item doesn't make you town. It could have been a scum item, or who knows, you could be our thief.
A scum extinguiser? Why? Who had the extinguiser? Why anyone claim the extinguiser being his? We know it wasn't stolen N1. Well, maybe from CNinja or Mando but then where is the weapon cause it dissapeared last night isn't it?
If the third party's weapon was causing the fire why would scum not be permitted to have an extinguisher? I guess if the mine was stolen N1 and the weapon N2 then it couldn't be stolen, but I still don't think its necessarily "has extinguisher is town". It could be but at this point I am just poking around since we don't have infinite time, and as I said, I am hesitant to start a train on a someone sleeping who can't claim.
2 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:If the third party's weapon was causing the fire why would scum not be permitted to have an extinguisher? I guess if the mine was stolen N1 and the weapon N2 then it couldn't be stolen, but I still don't think its necessarily "has extinguisher is town". It could be but at this point I am just poking around since we don't have infinite time, and as I said, I am hesitant to start a train on a someone sleeping who can't claim.
but a train must start at some point. Now or in the following hours. No much time left.
4 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:If the third party's weapon was causing the fire why would scum not be permitted to have an extinguisher? I guess if the mine was stolen N1 and the weapon N2 then it couldn't be stolen, but I still don't think its necessarily "has extinguisher is town". It could be but at this point I am just poking around since we don't have infinite time, and as I said, I am hesitant to start a train on a someone sleeping who can't claim.
Also, if the extinguisher is scum, why LP had to kill Gink? It told it like if it was his target. Why giving the only save action to someone that doesn't need it. Or LP is lying and Gink was not his target but then he could be lying about everything else.
Why @Visovics crawl around at night?
Just now, ovinomanc3r said:Also, if the extinguisher is scum, why LP had to kill Gink? It told it like if it was his target. Why giving the only save action to someone that doesn't need it. Or LP is lying and Gink was not his target but then he could be lying about everything else.
Fair enough good point. Ok, Mads is more clear but then I am left solely with LTD and Vis. I feel like the Submarine points more to LTD, but I think for the time being I agree we start where we can get info. Vis has a visit action. He has to claim to have a visit if he is doing the NK's, so he will need a fakeclaim or a convincing real claim. That might clear up what exactly he has been doing all game.
Also Ovi- you mentioned GNIPS and I might be scummates. What do you have on him?
10 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:I don't disagree, but lets chop the heads off the snakes that can still bite.
And you read town, but you were high on my suspicion list previously. While you have uncovered Preyer as a third party killer and pushed hard for his lynch, at this point, that doesn't gain you much towncred in my book. I think you would be fine leveraging leading a lynch on a third party killer and getting towncred for it if you were scum. In fact, that would 100% be the strongest move.
You used your extinguisher, but having an item doesn't make you town. It could have been a scum item, or who knows, you could be our thief.
I dont disagree with any of this. Furthermore, its definetely something I would do. Its not what happened, but its good thinking.
3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:Why @Visovics crawl around at night?
Basically you want a claim?
Just now, Visovics said:Basically you want a claim?
You want us to vote you to get it?
## vote Visovics
Just now, Visovics said:Basically you want a claim?
Basically yes