Sorry been at the pool all day.

Most suspicious- caldias. Cal tried to deflect off Jabba- first post of the day his post immediately levels town cred gained from hammer. " I'd love to hear whatever convoluted reasoning you'd have for me  hammering scum makes me a suspe ct." And again..

5 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Snot sthat scase

SCal sdid snothing SD1

Spretended sinvolvement

You   mean nothing other than hammer  scum?

Second most Vis- he unvotes Jabba when it was close, not a sure thing lock, but it could read frantic scum trying to distance from a scummate with an early vote expecting with over a day left it wouldnt turn into anything and having it get out of control. Cal tries to throw shade on this to deflect off him, which is probably worth noting. Valid excuse of "let him claim" is fair given it was D1, but also doesn't completely erase it.

Dark horse Madaghmire- he distanced himself from Jabba, but didn't actually cast a vote. Maybe a real ninja play for town cred? This might be a reach but it wasn't beyond something that might have happened. Involved enough to solidly read town without participating, but gaining town cred from, a scum lynch.

Then of course there are those not talking always could be submarines. I know i havent been excessively active, so that you could easily I fall in there. I have been trying to be valuable when I've been able to endure the wife shade for being on my phone on my weekend to play mafia.

2 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Cal what did you mean by this?

What I meant was when he voted, he was like gosh I think Ovi's innocent but we must lynch, which is something I'd probably try to do to sneak in a vote. To try and seem like they never wanted to vote so when Ovi flips town, they look like a voice of reason and buy cred.

32 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Sorry been at the pool all day.

Most suspicious- caldias. Cal tried to deflect off Jabba- first post of the day his post immediately levels town cred gained from hammer. " I'd love to hear whatever convoluted reasoning you'd have for me  hammering scum makes me a suspe ct." And again..

5 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Snot sthat scase

SCal sdid snothing SD1

Spretended sinvolvement

You   mean nothing other than hammer  scum?

Second most Vis- he unvotes Jabba when it was close, not a sure thing lock, but it could read frantic scum trying to distance from a scummate with an early vote expecting with over a day left it wouldnt turn into anything and having it get out of control. Cal tries to throw shade on this to deflect off him, which is probably worth noting. Valid excuse of "let him claim" is fair given it was D1, but also doesn't completely erase it.

Dark horse Madaghmire- he distanced himself from Jabba, but didn't actually cast a vote. Maybe a real ninja play for town cred? This might be a reach but it wasn't beyond something that might have happened. Involved enough to solidly read town without participating, but gaining town cred from, a scum lynch.

Dude, my first post of the day was to post town cred because I had like three people on my *** about hammering Jabba, including Gink who put a vote on me. Why wouldn't I immediately try to defend myself when I'm already under attack?

Look, I get that the hammering a mafia buddy could be a valid tactic, but IMO the smarter play for scum is to talk without voting, maybe even think Jabba's bad but "not sure." That way, just in case we go to a no-vote, or Jabba's claim is bought by town, or whatever, then they have to waste a whole day lynching Jabba again while mafia gets a free kill. We're extraordinarily lucky that Gink got protected, assuming that's what happened.

I did repeat myself, there, but I also did pull all my D1 posts for town to review, cause I believe they speak for themselves. Sorry about being repetitive to Ginkapo's accusations, but he said I did nothing D1, pretended involvement. That's just straight up a lie, as my post record proves. I pressed Mando when he was afk (and missed his post, was pointed to it thanks to GNIPs) and did some questioning of Jabba. How is lying to town about me beneficial to town?

Mads is my #1 right now, lots of talking not a lot of voting, which lets him play to scum's best interests but also pull out quotes to say see, look, I was accusing people. It's not a great lead, though, just the best of what I have. Whatever scum is left is playing a pretty good game so far.

I actually like Cals case against me. I’ve had a rough game.

The one thing is, I did vote Ebonhawk (albiet inebriated) Cal, so its not that I’m not voting. Then you came in and hammered before I got a chance to read Jabba’s defense that I asked for. I still believe that my choice to let him mount a defense was the right choice, but given how it worked out I can’t fault the line of inquiry. I simply didn’t expect him to answer and be hammered before I woke up. My point is that its somewhat disingenuous to nail me for not voting when you’re the reason I didn’t have the opportunity. If this was a concern, (and you say I’m your best lead and this is a crucial piece of that argument) why not let it go a bit further out and see if I was willing to drop the vote?

Broba, I see your arguments against Vis, but I dont like them. I don’t think Vis would have started a train on a scumbuddy D1, and if I don’t believe that the whole thing tumbles down. And as I’ve already said, I think the right play with that much daylight (re:the unvote) remaining is to see what other information might be extracted.

Despite my feelings on that play, I liked Cal for town at the end of D1, especially post flop after Pod watched his foozeballz. My concern now is as follows; his first post of the day, he shades Visovics, another player I like for town and one whose starting the train buys more cred with me than the hammer. But ok, the reasoning is solid, Vis did “actively try to save” Jabba, now confirmed scum. But again, I think the time left in the day is a mitigating factor. Still, this on its own doesn’t ruffle my feathers.

But then when Broba calls him out for deflecting, he immediately drops me out there. Again, as I’ve said, I like the case. Except that its also pretty deflecty. And now the argument that I dismissed before gains some weight with me. That, plus my already stated belief that the best scum play at that point was to hammer Jabba, has led me to this;

##vote @Caldias

Question is, with such vociferous arguments against Cal today, if he flips town where do we go? Gink?

I'm not wanting to appear as if I'm copping out here, but in all seriousness if I vote Cal we get close to ending another day before we even hear from everyone.

I want to hear everyone thoughts and get some suspicion outside caldias so we can have groundwork for following days.

3 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I actually like Cals case against me. I’ve had a rough game.

The one thing is, I did vote Ebonhawk (albiet inebriated) Cal, so its not that I’m not voting. Then you came in and hammered before I got a chance to read Jabba’s defense that I asked for. I still believe that my choice to let him mount a defense was the right choice, but given how it worked out I can’t fault the line of inquiry. I simply didn’t expect him to answer and be hammered before I woke up. My point is that its somewhat disingenuous to nail me for not voting when you’re the reason I didn’t have the opportunity. If this was a concern, (and you say I’m your best lead and this is a crucial piece of that argument) why not let it go a bit further out and see if I was willing to drop the vote?

Broba, I see your arguments against Vis, but I dont like them. I don’t think Vis would have started a train on a scumbuddy D1, and if I don’t believe that the whole thing tumbles down. And as I’ve already said, I think the right play with that much daylight (re:the unvote) remaining is to see what other information might be extracted.

Despite my feelings on that play, I liked Cal for town at the end of D1, especially post flop after Pod watched his foozeballz. My concern now is as follows; his first post of the day, he shades Visovics, another player I like for town and one whose starting the train buys more cred with me than the hammer. But ok, the reasoning is solid, Vis did “actively try to save” Jabba, now confirmed scum. But again, I think the time left in the day is a mitigating factor. Still, this on its own doesn’t ruffle my feathers.

But then when Broba calls him out for deflecting, he immediately drops me out there. Again, as I’ve said, I like the case. Except that its also pretty deflecty. And now the argument that I dismissed before gains some weight with me. That, plus my already stated belief that the best scum play at that point was to hammer Jabba, has led me to this;

##vote @Caldias

Very interesting.

In the interest of fairness, I didn't dig deep enough back to see if you voted, I was just looking at the history from the end of D1, where it shows you as not voted due to the Ewoks claiming their due. So that's my bad.

I suppose it's fair to say I shaded Vis, but I was just pointing out things I noticed. Interesting that twice now I've been accused of deflecting, simply for raising the barest of suspicions.

Mads, you might be clean, and you being my #1 is far from damning, as I'm unsure about anyone. Rereading Vis' posts make me think he's actually probably town, given how he pressed Jabba. He didn't lead the train, Gink did that. But he was the first to vote and notice things. All I was asking for was a reason for his attempt to save Jabba, which were fair enough.

9 hours ago, Caldias said:

You mean nothing other than hammer scum?

Here's all my "did nothing D1" posts. Feel free to scrutinize them at your leisure. I'll be on and off or a bit, more active this evening.

Sflavour sreal slife

SJabba sunderthreat, sooh SMandys squiet

"Spushed sjabba"?

1) @CaribbeanNinja

2) @Madaghmire

3) EbonHawk-Town Cop- Deceased

4) @GhostofNobodyInParticular (1) LTD

5) @ovinomanc3r

6) @Lord Preyer

7) @MandalorianMoose

8] @BrobaFett

9) @Visovics

10) Jabbawookie- Mafia Framer- Deceased

11) @LTD

12) @Caldias (2) Ginkapo, Madaghmire

13) @Ginkapo

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

3 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Question is, with such vociferous arguments against Cal today, if he flips town where      do we go? Gink?  

nah Gink is a solid 99.9% town imo.

I like the Cal/Mads either/or argument right now.

Probably followed by LP actually. He wins if the game was about flavor, but it isn’t and he refrained from voting even though he said he would. (of course Cal’s hammer might have been the reason for both Mads and LP no votes).

On 7/6/2018 at 7:13 PM, Caldias said:

For now, I'll

##vote @MandalorianMoose

Just to see if that gets him talking. Happy to switch over to Ovi, though, if that looks like the way we're going to go.

On 7/6/2018 at 7:51 PM, Caldias said:

I am not putting a vote on you yet because I'm not quite sure , and Mando has been to quiet to ignore, so voting him I saw as more useful.

"You" here is Ovi

On 7/6/2018 at 9:38 PM, Caldias said:

For now. I gotta say, Jabbawookie's casual "for the town" lynch but I don't think he's the one does look suspicious .

On 7/6/2018 at 9:46 PM, Caldias said:

I am not voting for him yet, but if I was trying to scum in plain sight, I could see being like ugh he seems so innocent but must vote to get a lynch "FOR THE TOWN"

So, I found these to be rather interesting. It seems a contradiction here. Cal claims to be 'happy' to vote Ovi if that is the way the train is heading, even though he is 'not quite sure' of his guilt, then is all gung-ho for lynching Jabba for voting 'for the town' despite saying that maybe the target seems innocent.

He never really builds a case against ovi, and even says that he is not the one ovi needs to convince of his motives. Yet he is happy to vote him if the town is? Why? It seems a bit opportunistic to me. And given the last quote, it makes me wonder, whether he wasn't unconsciously doing what he was describing.

I am about to do a reread, this stuff just came to me while I was reading Cal's post about his posts. Hopefully I'll have more later.

9 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

"You" here is Ovi

So, I found these to be rather interesting. It seems a contradiction here. Cal claims to be 'happy' to vote Ovi if that is the way the train is heading, even though he is 'not quite sure' of his guilt, then is all gung-ho for lynching Jabba for voting 'for the town' despite saying that maybe the target seems innocent.

He never really builds a case against ovi, and even says that he is not the one ovi needs to convince of his motives. Yet he is happy to vote him if the town is? Why? It seems a bit opportunistic to me. And given the last quote, it makes me wonder, whether he wasn't unconsciously doing what he was describing.

I am about to do a reread, this stuff just came to me while I was reading Cal's post about his posts. Hopefully I'll have more later.

I like all this.

He also was flavourful with his first flamethrower post.

On 7/5/2018 at 3:47 AM, Caldias said:

All this snow is really making it hard to travel. Couldn't we just flamethrow all the snow or something? Well, AFTER we cross the lake, of course.

Also +1 to not claiming anything, esp Day One, unless someone slips #icepun #sorrynotsorry

And sarcastic...

On 7/6/2018 at 6:51 PM, Caldias said:

Okay, fair enough. You just heavily inferred enough knowledge of his role to know his usefulness. That's really a semantics argument IMO.

And looks like you were wrong. I mean, based off your first post I could say oh Ovi must be a Trapper because he said he wanted to be an Ewok. Anything can be taken as a breadcrumb, honestly.

I am not putting a vote on you yet because I'm not quite sure, and Mando has been to quiet to ignore, so voting him I saw as more useful.

On 7/6/2018 at 8:09 PM, Caldias said:

I never said that those thinking he was breadcrumbing were overthinking. I said you declaring you know enough about his role to know its importance based off the posts I saw was reaching. Still think that.

Also, my vote isn't on you. I'm not who you need to convince.

Fair Enough I could just say you were breadcrumbing that your role was Ginkapo instead.

It must be him!

##vote Caldias

Here are my reads right now:

of the Jabba voters:

(7) Visovics, LTD, Gink, Cninja, Ovi,Mando, Caldias

Vis - to me 85% town. Only ***** in the town armor is his last minute pull off, but I'm more inclined to believe him due to his forceful move on Jabba early.

LTD - 50/50 right now. This could have been a scum vote. Also now votes GNIPs without any reasoning other than gut. Could be he's town and has learned he needs to vote, but he's not cleared at all imo.

Gink - s99.9% stown

Cninj - duh, 100% town

Broba - didn't vote but single # voted and made a solid case about why he did (didn't) vote. This reads as 85-90% town to me. I think he's clean.

Ovi - I don't know about Ovi right now. 65-70% town? He dodged the day 1 lynchtrain when Gink started the Jabba one. I was really certain he was jesting it up at one point. He say's he's gonna pull his weight now, so we'll see what happens this real-lide day. (I know D2 started late in Europe).

Mando - Broba has vouched for his RL excuse. For now I'm okay with that, but I put him at 50/50 right now. That would have been a fine excuse as scum, and voting on Jabba buys him a little town cred.

Cal - On a lot of folks radar right now. I do think this is where we need to put our effort into right now. As I posted above, the Cal/Mads argument is strong imo. Right now, I'm leaning against Cal, but like I said before, I actually thought his D1 posts put him at town. The arguments today make me believe he or Mads are scum.

which leads me to the non voters of Jabba...

Mads - Same as above for Cal. Even Mads likes Cal's argument against him. I do too, but I am not clear yet on which side the scum falls. Didn't vote - put could have been due to the Cal early hammer, as he's stated. Had a part in Ebon's quit, but I already didn't like him as scum just because of that.

Gnips - voted Cal. I would say he's town right now, because I doubt he would have argued so hard about our Jabba train if he were scum. I'd put him at 75-80% town right now.

LP - Flavor master. and that's it. what have you done for me lately? If he doesn't contribute today he's gonna raise above Cal/Mads in my book. Right now his posts read as "Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Great flavor. Sprinkle some actual game stuff." We need to get to "Great game stuff, sprinkled with flavor." Agfain, didn't vote but could have been due to the Cal early hammer. 50/50

So I would say my main suspects are Cal/Mads, LP and then followed by LTD and Mando right now.

30 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

nah Gink is a solid 99.9% town imo.

I like the Cal/Mads either/or argument right now.

Probably followed by LP actually. He wins if the game was about flavor, but it isn’t and he refrained from voting even though he said he would. (of course Cal’s hammer might have been the reason for both Mads and LP no votes).

I think there are too many possibilities yet, even for Gink not being town but I agree the chances are low.

SCninj. Sbeware spossible smultiple sfactions

SPreyer. Syou sand SMandy swerewolves?

Just now, Ginkapo said:

SCninj. Sbeware spossible smultiple sfactions

SPreyer. Syou sand SMandy swerewolves? 

****

On 7/7/2018 at 2:10 PM, PodRacer said:

There is a full moon out tonight.

Double ****.

That makes sense now.

20 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

SCninj. Sbeware spossible smultiple sfactions

SPreyer. Syou sand SMandy swerewolves?

All three? I am really bad figuring out balance... who cares anyways? What I really wanted to know is:

Do werewolves kill people at night too? Cause that makes no deads more unlikely, I think.

27 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Do  werewolves kill people at night too? Cause that makes no deads more unlikely, I thin  k. 

Wiki puts them as a killing role, so I’d say they are basically a second mafia faction with a different name

which would make no nk EVEN MORE weird

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

The arguments today make me believe he or Mads are scum.

Under the new hypothesis both could be scum but from different factions.

I need to read all the thread again... sshit!

Let the record show marines, that I filed my analysis, saw there was plenty of time on the clock, stated my intended vote time and then (because my bodyclock is on Planet Engerland time from my last deploy) checked out at what was 0126hrs intending to vote after I got some shut eye and could see where the talkin’ had got us by then. I was actually a bit surprised to wake to the sound of DH-17s after all. If not voting when there’s more than 30% time on the clock and it’s very late locally is a scum tell than so be it. But in my book it ain’t.

Man, not sure what else to say. I'm kind of shocked. Feel free, vote away. Just pay attention to who was pushing for me.

Let me know when I need to claim.

I've already defended myself to the best of my ability so I won't have much else to add other than claiming. I don't really see this going anywhere else atm, with three votes already.

11 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Let me know when I need to claim.

I've already defended myself to the best of my ability so I won't have much else to add other than claiming. I don't really see this going anywhere else atm, with three votes already.

See the bright side! You cannot vote yourself so you are save from being quick-hammered, lol

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

See the bright side! You cannot vote yourself so you are save from being quick-hammered, lol

Dude only had 7 hours left on the clock of a 3 day clock when I pulled the trigger. Slowest quick hammer ever.

25 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Let me know when I need to claim.

I've already defended myself to the best of my ability so I won't have much else to add other than claiming. I don't really see this going anywhere else atm, with three votes already.

Sif stown. Sfind sbetter scase

Sif sscum. Sclaim