SGink, syou swoke sup ssuper sweird.

?

Jokes aside I will try to contribute a bit more today. Thinking on the situation.

On 7/5/2018 at 4:47 PM, Visovics said:

Then why not give an opinion on whether you were reading Mad as scum or town? Instead why did you think of the whole situation’s possibility of being scum and not talked about the ONE player that is getting the “sideways eyeball”? For me this looks like you are trying to not get a direct involved opinion on mad

##vote Jabbawookie

This is Vis' vote, just for visibility. He has a good reason for looking at Jabba.

10 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Not too convoluted

I'm not saying that is the case, and I'm not 100% as sold on you as Gink is, but I'm trying to identify what he's (Gink) is meaning.

I mean, I understand the play, I just think it's a pretty stupid Day One play for Mafia to bus a teammate.

7 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Vis also pegged him in the first place.

True, but he also rushed to unvote. Jabba presented his counter argument. I suppose we could've waited for a claim, but I wasn't willing to watch another no lynch. For me, the most damning was Jabba saying he wanted to wait for someone to prompt him to vote. I stand by my decision, anyone who is waiting for someone to tell them when to vote reads as shifty to me.

3 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

To the best of my counting, Visovics unvoted after the wagon had reached seven votes, thus the lynch took place.

*apologies if I dun goofed

He totally did, no mistake on your part. But his urgency to save him after initially accusing him I read as interesting.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

SGink, syou swoke sup ssuper sweird.

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sHow sdoes sthis shelp stown?

(Ssorry scouldnt sresist)

10 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Snot sthat scase

SCal sdid snothing SD1

Spretended sinvolvement

You mean nothing other than hammer scum?

Here's all my "did nothing D1" posts. Feel free to scrutinize them at your leisure. I'll be on and off or a bit, more active this evening.

On 7/4/2018 at 9:47 PM, Caldias said:

All this snow is really making it hard to travel. Couldn't we just flamethrow all the snow or something? Well, AFTER we cross the lake, of course.

Also +1 to not claiming anything, esp Day One, unless someone slips #icepun #sorrynotsorry

On 7/4/2018 at 9:54 PM, Caldias said:

Hahaha, right! I didn't have time to read all the sauce was the real issue. But the kids went to sleep (mostly) so I was able to do a quick perusal. I'll be up and watching for a bit

On 7/4/2018 at 9:59 PM, Caldias said:

Well, not on me, I've just seen the other side with their snow troopers and figured we had to have one laying around somewhere. Anyone?

On 7/4/2018 at 11:38 PM, Caldias said:

It depends on how many roles are flying around, 3rd parties, etc, but I'd imagine 2-3, maybe 4 depending on role distributions. But I think I'd guess about 3.

On 7/5/2018 at 12:35 AM, Caldias said:

Well, that is a bummer. Here's what I was typing as the kracken came along:

I personally don't mind flavor. I think it does add to the fun, and all in all this game is supposed to be about killing time in a fun way but also with a puzzle to solve.

Day One is literally just roll a die and pick someone unless someone screws up, so the talking is all supposed to get someone to slip.

Sorry you got frustrated, Ebon. Missing our cop is gonna make this rough.

On 7/5/2018 at 7:11 PM, Caldias said:

Should clarify: What I was typing came after Ebon already posted his seppuku, but I figured weighing in before the modkill came might help diffuse the situation. I was typing and Pod posted as that was happening.

Agree, look past it. For now willing to just say Mads doesn't use this kind of tactic as scum. Seems to pushy and open for his playstyle. I will be looking elsewhere for now. Got to read up tonight after the kids go to bed.

On 7/6/2018 at 7:15 AM, Caldias said:

Because I was doing other things? I was at my computer but was playing a game, trying to squeeze any amount of fun I could out of the kid-free time. I alt-tabbed back to mafia after the damage was already done.

I'm looking past an obviously drunk person fighting with an irritated person because I think too highly of Mads to think he'd use "being kind of a **** until someone quits" as a scumlord tactic. I think he was, like he said, drunk and surly, and Ebon was annoyed and **** got out of hand. I think investigating into that is a wasted effort. You can disagree, of course. But that's all the explaining I have to do.

On 7/6/2018 at 11:14 AM, Caldias said:

We do have like a whole day left though, right? I'll vote soon, but work's been busy. Apparently six weeks of paternity leave means that a lot of stuff just sits around and waits for you to get back.

On 7/6/2018 at 11:18 AM, Caldias said:

Fair enough. Will try to look back enough to squeeze one out before 1700 EDT

On 7/6/2018 at 12:13 PM, Caldias said:

So I read some. I could go Ovinomancer, mostly because of his wacky claim of knowing Ebon's role, though after looking in Ebon's post I didn't really see much in the way of a breadcrumb. If someone sees it, I'd be happy to know it.

Otherwise, MandolorianMoose hasn't posted in almost two days. I am pretty sympathetic to anyone being labeled quiet, but two days seems like a lot. For now, I'll

##vote @MandalorianMoose

Just to see if that gets him talking. Happy to switch over to Ovi, though, if that looks like the way we're going to go.

On 7/6/2018 at 12:51 PM, Caldias said:

Okay, fair enough. You just heavily inferred enough knowledge of his role to know his usefulness. That's really a semantics argument IMO.

And looks like you were wrong. I mean, based off your first post I could say oh Ovi must be a Trapper because he said he wanted to be an Ewok. Anything can be taken as a breadcrumb, honestly.

I am not putting a vote on you yet because I'm not quite sure, and Mando has been to quiet to ignore, so voting him I saw as more useful.

On 7/6/2018 at 2:09 PM, Caldias said:

I never said that those thinking he was breadcrumbing were overthinking. I said you declaring you know enough about his role to know its importance based off the posts I saw was reaching. Still think that.

Also, my vote isn't on you. I'm not who you need to convince.

Fair Enough I could just say you were breadcrumbing that your role was Ginkapo instead.

On 7/6/2018 at 2:15 PM, Caldias said:

My vote stays. Still no Mando makes me nervous.

On 7/6/2018 at 2:38 PM, Caldias said:

Appreciate that, totally missed it. Fair enough, at least he showed up and made an effort.

##unvote

For now. I gotta say, Jabbawookie's casual "for the town" lynch but I don't think he's the one does look suspicious.

On 7/6/2018 at 2:42 PM, Caldias said:

I missed Mando's post, which GNIPs pointed out. I have now unvoted. IIRC, it looked like you were on board with the reasoning. Something change? Or are you just seeing my mistake as willfully ignoring Mando's post (which would be a reasonable assumption, I suppose)?

On 7/6/2018 at 2:46 PM, Caldias said:

I am not voting for him yet, but if I was trying to scum in plain sight, I could see being like ugh he seems so innocent but must vote to get a lynch "FOR THE TOWN"

I also saw Broba's vote read as fairly opportunistic as well, for what it's worth.

On 7/6/2018 at 2:48 PM, Caldias said:

GAH. Too many tabs open. GNIPs, my last post was in reply to this one that I am quoting below, not CNinja's:

On 7/6/2018 at 2:51 PM, Caldias said:

Weird, my reply to GNIPs looked like I had quoted CNinja right after I posted, hence my correction. Gonna go quiet for a bit to wrap up work.

On 7/7/2018 at 2:02 AM, Caldias said:

Why were you waiting until someone prompted a vote, out of curiosity?

On 7/7/2018 at 3:38 AM, Caldias said:

So, Jabbawookie, I totally get your reasoning. But it is also reasoning that I've hidden behind before as scum.

I am willing to see where this train goes.

##vote The Jabbawookie

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

I mean, I understand the play, I just think it's a pretty stupid Day One play for Mafia to bus a teammate.

So I agree with this, in principle. But assuming for the sake of argument you are the droid we’re looking for, its not really bussing. If Vis is scum, he bussed his teammate. If you are, it’s cutting your losses. You voted at a pretty deep L-1. I think its actually the better play in that situation for a scum player to simply accept the loss and look for town cred.

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

So I agree with this, in principle. But assuming for the sake of argument you are the droid we’re looking for, its not really bussing. If Vis is scum, he bussed his teammate. If you are, it’s cutting your losses. You voted at a pretty deep L-1. I think its actually the better play in that situation for a scum player to simply accept the loss and look for town cred.

I'd agree with you if this had less players, but I think it's hard to pull that off with so many. But fair enough, I get this is a possibility players would have to parse through.

GINK!

It’s ok @Ginkapo . Stay with us. You’re gonna make it. Come on marines: MOVE! Field Medic in the night did a good job patchin’ him up but we still need to stabilise him.

Here, drink some water. Guys, we need to keep him hydrated. And keep that chest elevated too. Blaster burnoff is nasty at the best of times - and I’ve seldom seen one so bad and yet still have the guy live...

So GroPo’s, we gotta traitor droid, a Kraken-matin’ Ewok-lover and days of hike left. This is bad.

Bad enough to make it worth our while considering whether the hammer on Jabba was a double bluff? Sure “considering” but I think we should be careful about outsmartin’ ourselves.

For now, color me unconvinced and here’s why:

Let’s take a moment and think about those crucial moments leading up to @Caldias bringin’ the hammer down on the JabbaBot: for me the crucial thing here is that there was plenty of time on the clock before we needed to make the call. If Cal was also a ScumBot than he coulda waited to see if the lynchtrain ran off in some other direction. I get the busin’ a scummate to misdirect idea but woulda reckoned on that happening when the clock was nearer zero. After all, we’ve all seen trains fly off in new directions faster than a Dug drivin’ a Pod against a Slaverat on a backwater.

4 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

GINK!

It’s ok @Ginkapo . Stay with us. You’re gonna make it. Come on marines: MOVE! Field Medic in the night did a good job patchin’ him up but we still need to stabilise him.

Here, drink some water. Guys, we need to keep him hydrated. And keep that chest elevated too. Blaster burnoff is nasty at the best of times - and I’ve seldom seen one so bad and yet still have the guy live...

So GroPo’s, we gotta traitor droid, a Kraken-matin’ Ewok-lover and days of hike left. This is bad.

Bad enough to make it worth our while considering whether the hammer on Jabba was a double bluff? Sure “considering” but I think we should be careful about outsmartin’ ourselves.

For now, color me unconvinced and here’s why:

Let’s take a moment and think about those crucial moments leading up to @Caldias bringin’ the hammer down on the JabbaBot: for me the crucial thing here is that there was plenty of time on the clock before we needed to make the call. If Cal was also a ScumBot than he coulda waited to see if the lynchtrain ran off in some other direction. I get the busin’ a scummate to misdirect idea but woulda reckoned on that happening when the clock was nearer zero. After all, we’ve all seen trains fly off in new directions faster than a Dug drivin’ a Pod against a Slaverat on a backwater.

Do you see that post like this works as proof that hammering a mate was not a bad idea at all?

So, @Madaghmire , you are the one who led me to Jabba in the first place because he seemed to avoid a direct link between you two... anything to say?

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Do you see that post like this works as proof that hammering a mate was not a bad idea at all?

Yep. Totally accept that Ovi. Imp clever psyops can sure be that crafty. But if everything is a double bluff than we may end up cuttin’ our own throats when shavin’ because... REASONS!

So, I accept that it’s possible it was a TownCred move by @Caldias but think he coulda got the same cred but later if he’d waited to see if the train flew off somewhere else first and maybe seen his scummate live too.

4 minutes ago, Visovics said:

So, @Madaghmire , you are the one who led me to Jabba in the first place because he seemed to avoid a direct link between you two... anything to say?

I addressed it some in my posts yesterday. I thought it odd he’d be convinced of my innocence, I think it was scum cozying.

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

Yep. Totally accept that Ovi. Imp clever psyops can sure be that crafty. But if everything is a double bluff than we may end up cuttin’ our own throats when shavin’ because... REASONS!

So, I accept that it’s possible it was a TownCred move by @Caldias but think he coulda got the same cred but later if he’d waited to see if the train flew off somewhere else first and maybe seen his scummate live too.

As Gink said, that risks missing the chance and having someone else lay the hammer.

22 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I addressed it some in my posts yesterday. I thought it odd he’d be convinced of my innocence, I think it was scum cozying.

I don’t refer to his implicaton that you were town, because that bit is what gets me here and makes me think you’re town

I was more thinking on the reason I started the vote on him, that he was avoiding a direct link with you, because a lot of what he does is implicit and not explicit, and so could just be his way of playing, or his way of trying to avoid having attention that he was on your side

Well done team.

I have some questions:

Ginkapo - you assert the town doctor saved you - do you know this from GM message, or are you assuming something from past experience?

I don't necessarily buy that Caldias would hammer for town cred, but I could be wrong.

I'm more suspicioius of those who did not vote, or deliberately voted for others - top of the list is GNiP, who voted for Caldias D1.

Then Madaghmire (who didn't vote), Lord Preyer (who posts in flavour but doesn't actually vote), and MandalorianMoose (non-voter).

I feel these are the more likely suspects than Caldias, but could be very wrong.

For now I will back my suspicions and

## vote GhostofNobodyinParticular

2 minutes ago, LTD said:

Well done team.

I have some questions:

Ginkapo - you assert the town doctor saved you - do you know this from GM message, or are you assuming something from past experience?

I don't necessarily buy that Caldias would hammer for town cred, but I could be wrong.

I'm more suspicioius of those who did not vote, or deliberately voted for others - top of the list is GNiP, who voted for Caldias D1.

Then Madaghmire (who didn't vote), Lord Preyer (who posts in flavour but doesn't actually vote), and MandalorianMoose (non-voter).

I feel these are the more likely suspects than Caldias, but could be very wrong.

For now I will back my suspicions and

## vote GhostofNobodyinParticular

Mando did actually vote for Jabbawookie, but agree he's still suspect for being an in-and-outer.

16 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I don’t refer to his implicaton that you were town, because that bit is what gets me here and makes me think you’re town

I was more thinking on the reason I started the vote on him, that he was avoiding a direct link with you, because a lot of what he does is implicit and not explicit, and so could just be his way of playing, or his way of trying to avoid having attention that he was on your side

I have no idea.

On 7/5/2018 at 11:42 AM, Visovics said:

On 7/5/2018 at 11:36 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

For  now I’m not going to assume this was scum-related, just  unf  ortunate     .    In a way there’s a moral here: let someone play the way     they’re gonna play. It’s their call in the end. With the amount of heat Ebon was catching/no clear tell that he was a cop, scum might have actually let him live as a red herring.

This is interesting

On 7/5/2018 at 11:36 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

For   now I’m not going to assume this was scum-related, just  unf  ortunate      

On 7/5/2018 at 11:36 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

With  the amount of heat Ebon was catching/no clear tell that he was a cop, scum might have actually let him live as a red herring. 

These two bits especially, why would it pass through your head that Ebon asking to die could have been scum related?

on my first reread, i’m pretty sure Vis is town.

this is really early and doesn’t look like a scum bus to me. if it is a scum bus, then it’s balls of steel for Vis.

1 hour ago, Caldias said:

Mando did actually vote for Jabbawookie, but agree he's still suspect for being an in-and-outer.

Yes - my apologies for this error.

On 7/6/2018 at 9:50 AM, Lord Preyer said:

Roger that and happy to oblige, partner. I’ll be joinin’ you good folks in some scum huntin’ come nightfall tonight. Gotta clean my guns first though.

u didnt vote pardner

3 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Jokes aside I will try to contribute a bit more today. Thinking on the situation.

‘bout **** time

2 hours ago, Visovics said:

So, @Madaghmire , you are the one who led me to Jabba in the first place because he seemed to avoid a direct link between you two... anything to say?

Yeah was gonna ask you to expand on this too. I’m currently thinking Mads is town though due to a post where he wonders why Jabba thinks he’s town. Risky scum play

Okay done a reread, and actually think Cal reads town right now. there were a few posts where he really pushed on Jabba. Not confirmed by any stretch.

Gnips is weird (always a tough read for me) . He went all out defending Jabba. Poor scum play? I’m guessing not, since it would actually be really bad considering Jabba was at L-2 by that point I think.

On 7/4/2018 at 11:23 PM, EbonHawk said:

Moron. I'm out.

On 7/4/2018 at 11:33 PM, EbonHawk said:

No flavour. No cop. Good luck finding scum everyone.

Okay sorry I had to considering we nailed one same day

I'm not letting him live this one down

On 7/6/2018 at 1:38 PM, Caldias said:

For now. I gotta say, Jabbawookie's casual "for the town" lynch but I don't think he's the one does look suspicious.

Cal what did you mean by this?

49 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah was gonna ask you to expand on this too. I’m currently thinking Mads is town though due to a post where he wonders why Jabba thinks he’s town. Risky scum play

As I said when Vis first asked, I think he was scum cozying up to a town player. As to his approach, I can’t really speak to it. You have the same information I have.

@BrobaFett and @MandalorianMoose I’m extremely curious as to both of your thoughts on pretty much the whole game.