Wow guys..... are you gonna play?
GUERILLA MAFIA.
2 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:Because Gnips and Gink were giving Mad the sideways eyeball.
Then why not give an opinion on whether you were reading Mad as scum or town? Instead why did you think of the whole situation’s possibility of being scum and not talked about the ONE player that is getting the “sideways eyeball”? For me this looks like you are trying to not get a direct involved opinion on mad
##vote Jabbawookie
12 hours ago, PodRacer said:2) @Madaghmire (1)Gnip
3) EwokFluffer (deceased)
5) @ovinomanc3r (1) Ginkapo
6) @Lord Preyer
8] @BrobaFett
9) @Visovics
10) @The Jabbawookie (1) Visovics
11) @LTD
12) @Caldias
13) @Ginkapo
The Party of survivors continue to push forwards into the mist whilst the worst of the weather holds off for now. The sounds of the battle have faded, and been replaced with a deathly quiet, Some of the Battle weary marines look ready to quit, but their grit keeps the pushing forwards step by step. Some of their minds begin to slip back to the conflict, and the wonder that perhaps there could be more survivors.
Edited by PodRacer7 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Ebon attacked me though. And I dont think its actually fair to hold me accountable for him suiciding.
Maybe, though I rather think it was a mutual attack that scaled in sync. Either way, you are partly to blame for keeping it going, even off-topic onto a past game . You both let it become an argument between yourselves, no longer relating to the game at hand. Why? How? You say you were drunk, which is a potential reason, but I remain suspicious. Upon further reflection, I would also like to point out that nobody bothered interfering with you two. Why was everybody content to idly sit by and watch it unfold? Granted, it happened at an off-hour time, but still .
The people who were online around the time the argument began were @LTD , @CaribbeanNinja , and @Caldias . The argument lasted just about an hour (the majority of it being 17 hours ago as of this typing, the modkill coming at 16). I find it difficult to believe that none of them could manage to get a post in in that time span. Cal claims to be writing something, but for what he summarized, it seemed awful short to take an hour to complete. Just a simple 'Guys, you're getting off-topic and personal' would've done something . But no, these three were completely silent. Cal, at least, was online at the time and ostensibly present. Did the others post their little bit of content (not belittling the content, just describing the volume) and sign off, even as Mad and Ebon began arguing? After all, LTD and CNinja were posting as the argument unfolded around them, but they seemed completely oblivious to its impeding intensity.
I can't help but feel that at least one of those three tagged players didn't mind the argument, considering it to be beneficial to their side. The only other reason I can think of for not interfering was that they didn't think it would escalate, but when both parties began talking about modkill, why didn't they speak up? Nearly 2 pages worth of posts and nobody followed it to the end to spot the falling apart of proper game play?
47 minutes ago, Visovics said:Then why not give an opinion on whether you were reading Mad as scum or town? Instead why did you think of the whole situation’s possibility of being scum and not talked about the ONE player that is getting the “sideways eyeball”? For me this looks like you are trying to not get a direct involved opinion on mad
##vote Jabbawookie
I think he did. I mean, he did say that he wouldn't consider it involved with scum, but a simple townie mistake. That pretty much implies that he thinks Mad is town. Meaning he addressed Gink's and my concerns in his post and countered them with his own direct opinion.
I am so proud.
THATS what we want GNips.
Sorry too tired to actually think on the implications.
4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:I think he did. I mean, he did say that he wouldn't consider it involved with scum, but a simple townie mistake. That pretty much implies that he thinks Mad is town. Meaning he addressed Gink's and my concerns in his post and countered them with his own direct opinion.
Exactly my worry
He counters you and Gink with his own opinion quite directly, but then why not directly defend Mad? Why leave him implied only? He only really gives his opinion on the situation, and not Mad, which looks to me like he’s not directly defending and setting some distance from Mad in case this turns wrong
30 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:The people who were online around the time the argument began were @LTD , @CaribbeanNinja , and @Caldias .
No idea where you're seeing that. I checked the thread and it had all gone down.
37 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Maybe, though I rather think it was a mutual attack that scaled in sync. Either way, you are partly to blame for keeping it going, even off-topic onto a past game . You both let it become an argument between yourselves, no longer relating to the game at hand. Why? How? You say you were drunk, which is a potential reason, but I remain suspicious. Upon further reflection, I would also like to point out that nobody bothered interfering with you two. Why was everybody content to idly sit by and watch it unfold? Granted, it happened at an off-hour time, but still .
The people who were online around the time the argument began were @LTD , @CaribbeanNinja , and @Caldias . The argument lasted just about an hour (the majority of it being 17 hours ago as of this typing, the modkill coming at 16). I find it difficult to believe that none of them could manage to get a post in in that time span. Cal claims to be writing something, but for what he summarized, it seemed awful short to take an hour to complete. Just a simple 'Guys, you're getting off-topic and personal' would've done something . But no, these three were completely silent. Cal, at least, was online at the time and ostensibly present. Did the others post their little bit of content (not belittling the content, just describing the volume) and sign off, even as Mad and Ebon began arguing? After all, LTD and CNinja were posting as the argument unfolded around them, but they seemed completely oblivious to its impeding intensity.
I can't help but feel that at least one of those three tagged players didn't mind the argument, considering it to be beneficial to their side. The only other reason I can think of for not interfering was that they didn't think it would escalate, but when both parties began talking about modkill, why didn't they speak up? Nearly 2 pages worth of posts and nobody followed it to the end to spot the falling apart of proper game play?
Okay, a few things:
1st, thank you for speaking up this game. Much better input.
2nd, I think we need to look past the Mads/Ebon fallout. They were not playing Mafia they were just posting **** back and forth.
3rd, I wasn't online, and I think we've talked in the past about how we have to be careful with that (I'm logged in with like 5 devices so maybe that's why it looked like I was on?) From what I can tell, Pod modkilled Ebon at my Midnight, which means I was asleep.
4th, It is not our job to stop Mads, and Ebon from this kind of thing, and I love Ebon, but this was a **** show for us. Suicide when you're our cop is absolute dog ****. He knows better. Yes, Mads was being "mean" as well, but we need to just log off and take a break when this happens. I survived Pod's antics, he could have survived this.
I love this game, but it does get testy sometimes. I expected Gink to be the one causing this not Mads
1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:Wow guys..... are you gonna play?
What have you got? You still good on Ovi?
15 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:3rd , I wasn't online, and I think we've talked in the past about how we have to be careful with that (I'm logged in with like 5 devices so maybe that's why it looked like I was on ?) From what I can tell, Pod modkilled Ebon at my Midnight, which means I was asleep.
Yeh agree with this
sometimes I leave my tab open on this, and if I need to open another one for work it looks like I was on but really I wasn’t.
checking who was on isn’t always crystal clear
For what its worth, I was relatively heated and inebriated, someone telling me to relax would merely have changed the direction of my ire. Also, its no ones responsibility to stop us, and I think the most town play available as an onlooker there is to actively watch and see if one of us slips scum. Its easy to look back and say “if we hadnt done this or whatever we’d still have our cop” but at the time no one knew he was a cop. Ebon was the only one with that information, and he could have simply not killed himself, and when we woke up today we’d likely have move past it. Honestly, its really wierd because he clearly thought I was scum so I’m not sure what point he was trying to prove to me, because if I were scum this would have been a win. I guess maybe he saw the light by the end and decided ******* me over was worth hurting the rest of town.
Anyway, atm I want to know why jabbawookie is so convinced I’m town.
I lean town mistake on this one too, on Mads and obviously Ebon as well.
It unforutnately largely spilled over into today as well as most are ruminating on it. If we take that out of the picture, what are we left with.
@CaribbeanNinja you want to clear Ovi for some reason with a second from Ginkapo?
Reading through from the begging, skipping over the blowup Mad/Ebon disaster, seemed to me like Ovino was one of the shadiest of the bunch. Now, that doesn't have to mean anything, but I want to know why the effort to clear him of that. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding and you are trying to revisit his suspicion by seeing if Gink had anything beneficial to add, in which case we are on the same page.
3 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:@CaribbeanNinja you want to clear Ovi for some reason with a second from Ginkapo?
negative. Was wondering if Gink had anything to add since he wants us to play, or if he was still good with his Ovi vote.
Ah yeah, as I went through it I realized I might have taken it out of context. I would agree that as of now if I had to cast my vote it would land on Ovi. Maybe that is based on old news, but I think it's worth revisiting.
1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Maybe, though I rather think it was a mutual attack that scaled in sync. Either way, you are partly to blame for keeping it going, even off-topic onto a past game . You both let it become an argument between yourselves, no longer relating to the game at hand. Why? How? You say you were drunk, which is a potential reason, but I remain suspicious. Upon further reflection, I would also like to point out that nobody bothered interfering with you two. Why was everybody content to idly sit by and watch it unfold? Granted, it happened at an off-hour time, but still .
The people who were online around the time the argument began were @LTD , @CaribbeanNinja , and @Caldias . The argument lasted just about an hour (the majority of it being 17 hours ago as of this typing, the modkill coming at 16). I find it difficult to believe that none of them could manage to get a post in in that time span. Cal claims to be writing something, but for what he summarized, it seemed awful short to take an hour to complete. Just a simple 'Guys, you're getting off-topic and personal' would've done something . But no, these three were completely silent. Cal, at least, was online at the time and ostensibly present. Did the others post their little bit of content (not belittling the content, just describing the volume) and sign off, even as Mad and Ebon began arguing? After all, LTD and CNinja were posting as the argument unfolded around them, but they seemed completely oblivious to its impeding intensity.
I can't help but feel that at least one of those three tagged players didn't mind the argument, considering it to be beneficial to their side. The only other reason I can think of for not interfering was that they didn't think it would escalate, but when both parties began talking about modkill, why didn't they speak up? Nearly 2 pages worth of posts and nobody followed it to the end to spot the falling apart of proper game play?
Should clarify: What I was typing came after Ebon already posted his seppuku, but I figured weighing in before the modkill came might help diffuse the situation. I was typing and Pod posted as that was happening.
Agree, look past it. For now willing to just say Mads doesn't use this kind of tactic as scum. Seems to pushy and open for his playstyle. I will be looking elsewhere for now. Got to read up tonight after the kids go to bed.
1 hour ago, Visovics said:Exactly my worry
He counters you and Gink with his own opinion quite directly, but then why not directly defend Mad? Why leave him implied only? He only really gives his opinion on the situation, and not Mad, which looks to me like he’s not directly defending and setting some distance from Mad in case this turns wrong
24 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Anyway, atm I want to know why jabbawookie is so convinced I’m town.
Too committed to Mad’s innocence, not committed enough to Mad’s innocence. I picked a side, and indicated as much. I didn’t beat anyone over the head with my certainty, because none of us have that.
I don’t think Ebon’s death indicates Mad is scum.
Clear enough?
Ok. I wasn't online at the time of the argument. My post before that all erupted was me saying "I'm off for a couple of hours."
There are three current votes: Ginkapo is voting for ovinomanc3r, because the spanish sheep made fun of the english ***.
GhostofNobodyinParticular is voting for Madaghmire because Mad "pushed" the town cop into using the forbidden M-Word, and was eaten by a kwaken.
Visovics is voting for The Jabbawookie because of ... reasons? I don't understand the logic.
I can't back Ginkapo because, well, he's Ginkapo.
I don't think Mad could have known the town cop would do whatever, and accept that Americans are drunks. So, I won't back that vote.
I think Visovics knows what he's doing more or less, even if I don't understand why. We need to vote for someone, so I'll be backing Visovics.
## vote The Jabbawookie.
On a related note, I will be offline for a good long bit - Store Champs tomorrow, practice games tonight. I might be back in 30 hours or so? Otherwise some off and on phone contact if I'm not busy flying a Cracken Corvette Swarm (which I will be!).
8 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:2nd, I think we need to look past the Mads/Ebon fallout. They were not playing Mafia they were just posting **** back and forth.
Not quite. I accept that Mads actions speak more of ill judgement than any alignment indications. However, that does not mean we shouldnt talk about it. Some of Mads later comments read a bit wierd.
8 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:What have you got? You still good on Ovi?
Yes I am still on Ovi. He has done zero to appear town and multiple that appears scummy. We are over halfway through D1 and there are 3 votes. Why is no pressure being applied to anyone?
7 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Honestly, its really wierd because he clearly thought I was scum so I’m not sure what point he was trying to prove to me, because if I were scum this would have been a win. I guess maybe he saw the light by the end and decided ******* me over was worth hurting the rest of town.
I find this wierd to read. If he didnt know your alignment, which he didnt, why would ******* you over hurt town?
7 hours ago, BrobaFett said:Ah yeah, as I went through it I realized I might have taken it out of context. I would agree that as of now if I had to cast my vote it would land on Ovi . Maybe that is based on old news, but I think it's worth revisiting.
This is a game of Mafia. YOU HAVE TO CAST A VOTE. Without votes there is no pressure, and without pressure there are fewer mistakes and less information.
4 hours ago, LTD said:There are three current votes: Ginkapo is voting for ovinomanc3r, because the spanish sheep made fun of the english ***.
GhostofNobodyinParticular is voting for Madaghmire because Mad "pushed" the town cop into using the forbidden M-Word, and was eaten by a kwaken.
Visovics is voting for The Jabbawookie because of ... reasons? I don't understand the logic.
I can't back Ginkapo because, well, he's Ginkapo.
I don't think Mad could have known the town cop would do whatever, and accept that Americans are drunks. So, I won't back that vote.
I think Visovics knows what he's doing more or less, even if I don't understand why. We need to vote for someone, so I'll be backing Visovics.
## vote The Jabbawookie.
Nice summary. Can you think for yourself though? Or would that be difficult given your alignment so you will just stick to recycling the opinions of others?
9 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:2nd, I think we need to look past the Mads/Ebon fallout. They were not playing Mafia they were just posting **** back and forth.
Sure, and nobody stopped them. Why? I think looking at the events around the fallout is just as important as looking at the fallout itself.
9 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:3rd, I wasn't online, and I think we've talked in the past about how we have to be careful with that (I'm logged in with like 5 devices so maybe that's why it looked like I was on?) From what I can tell, Pod modkilled Ebon at my Midnight, which means I was asleep.
I know it's not an exact science, but I used it as a rough indication (post time was given in hours by the time I was typing, so you could have been offline for all of 59 minutes before the argument began). The point is it was recent activity, and may have told us something.
9 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:4th, It is not our job to stop Mads, and Ebon from this kind of thing
8 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Also, its no ones responsibility to stop us,
I disagree. The argument clearly went out of hand, and the pair of you seemed either disinclined or unable to stop it. Therefore, somebody should have stepped in to cool things down before something drastic happened (which it did, in the worst possible way).
8 hours ago, Caldias said:Should clarify: What I was typing came after Ebon already posted his seppuku, but I figured weighing in before the modkill came might help diffuse the situation. I was typing and Pod posted as that was happening.
Why didn't you post sooner? Why were you content to wait until after the suicide?
8 hours ago, Caldias said:Agree, look past it. For now willing to just say Mads doesn't use this kind of tactic as scum. Seems to pushy and open for his playstyle. I will be looking elsewhere for now.
As I said above, that somebody else may be somebody who let it happen, especially if Mad is town, as you seem to imply. Lessons can be learned from that event, why look past it and ignore it? As of now, you are the only person confirmed, by your own admission, to be online at the time it occurred, and you did nothing. You then say you think Mad is not necessarily scum due to it. If this isn't Mad's style of scum play, and Ebon was clearly town, we had a town-on-town confrontation. Why did you only post after a townie offed himself, with content that was relevant to the argument at hand, and may have prevented the suicide?
In fact, I am going to
##unvote
##vote Caldias
because it seems people are fairly certain Mad wouldn't have done this as scum. The vote stays at least until Cal adequately explains himself.
1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:Yes I am still on Ovi. He has done zero to appear town and multiple that appears scummy.
Yes, I joked and didn't confirme in my first message. I also got all the credits for questioning Ebon's breadcrumb tendency when you was the first to point that out. My apologies.
On 7/4/2018 at 10:46 PM, Ginkapo said:##vote Ovi
The vote
On 7/4/2018 at 10:47 PM, Ginkapo said:Dont use humour to hide your uncertainty in how to play.
The resoning (?)
On 7/4/2018 at 11:18 PM, Ginkapo said:Ovi. You should have learnt to write a simple roleconfirm by now.
Why did you desire to make a bigger entrance? What was your fear? Scum purchance.
I bid you good night
The case.
On 7/5/2018 at 8:50 AM, Ginkapo said:I have built a fairly decent D1 case against Ovi and laid it out on a platyer for town. That is extremelly beneficial to town. Its just about the most beneficial post I can make for town.
Reaffirming the case.
On 7/5/2018 at 10:21 AM, Ginkapo said:##vote Ovi
Reaffirming the vote.
5 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:Yes, I joked and didn't confirme in my first message. I also got all the credits for questioning Ebon's breadcrumb tendency when you was the first to point that out. My apologies.
And the continuation of using sarcasm to defend yourself
Just now, Ginkapo said:And the continuation of using sarcasm to defend yourself
I almost died in that ******* hole. It is cold, I am tired and I have to cross that ******* frozen lake in your company. Yeah I use sarcasm.