40 minutes ago, kaosoe said:

You beat me to it.

You're right about the sound track, however, I would still feel like something is missing if laser cannons didn't make any noises or the TIE fighters didn't scream by.

Agreed. This thread has an infinite backpack feel to it I think.....very similar I think....

Sound in space is because starships (especially combat starships) have sensors which create an audiomap of the ships around them, and play that in surround sound for the pilots/gunners so they can hear roughly where the enemy is coming at them from (I'm not even making this up, it's explained by Han to Luke in the A New Hope audio drama from NPR, and has been mentioned other EU materials). This makes perfect sense, since most aliens have hearing as a sense, engage that sense as well as sight to help them locate, target, and shoot at the enemy.

Just breath masks in the space slug? It's got compartments of at least partial pressure inside it, and the Falcon happened to land in one. Their sensors showed survivable pressure outside, so they skipped the space suits and just went with breath masks. Might have even been the first thing to top Han off that they weren't just in a cave, though he didn't realize it until he heard the roar and felt the whole thing move when they shot its tender insides.

Spaceships banking like WWII fighters. . . a book called Hollyweird Science tackled this exact question, speaking with a USAF pilot about the kinds of G-Forces you can experience in a fighter. There's three different kinds: positive, negative, and transverse. Positive Gs happen when you "pull up," increasing the force on your body, causing the blood to rush from your head to your feet. These are relatively easy to deal with: special flight suits can constrict around the legs and lower body to keep the blood where it belongs, and you can tense the muscles in your body from the bottom up to combat the effect, too. If you don't, you can easily lose consciousness. Negative Gs happen when you "dive," reducing the force on your body and causing the blood to rush to your brain. These are very difficult to deal with, since you can't flex muscles or constrict blood flow to the brain easily. Their USAF pilot says of Negative Gs "Don't do it." Transverse Gs happen when you turn to the side (as when a conventional plane enters a flat spin, the absolute worst thing that can happen). Like Negative Gs, there's nothing you can do to cope with Transverse Gs. Their USAF pilot says that when pulling Gs, positive is always preferable. So if you need to "dive" to get at an enemy aircraft below you, it's preferable to invert the plane and "pull up," rather than just dive. Now, in space, with no gravity field to affect the starfighter, it can turn and maneuver in pretty much any way it wants, to the most effective way to turn to would be flip the starfighter so that every maneuver was "pulling up," inducing solely positive Gs on the pilot. So the problem isn't that starfighters in Star Wars bank, it's that they don't bank enough .

9 minutes ago, ErikModi said:

Sound in space is because starships (especially combat starships) have sensors which create an audiomap of the ships around them, and play that in surround sound for the pilots/gunners so they can hear roughly where the enemy is coming at them from (I'm not even making this up, it's explained by Han to Luke in the A New Hope audio drama from NPR, and has been mentioned other EU materials). This makes perfect sense, since most aliens have hearing as a sense, engage that sense as well as sight to help them locate, target, and shoot at the enemy. 

Just breath masks in the space slug? It's got compartments of at least partial pressure inside it, and the Falcon happened to land in one. Their sensors showed survivable pressure outside, so they skipped the space suits and just went with breath masks. Might have even been the first thing to top Han off that they weren't just in a cave, though he didn't realize it until he heard the roar and felt the whole thing move when they shot its tender insides.

Spaceships banking like WWII fighters. . . a book called Hollyweird Science tackled this exact question, speaking with a USAF pilot about the kinds of G-Forces you can experience in a fighter. There's three different kinds: positive, negative, and transverse. Positive Gs happen when you "pull up," increasing the force on your body, causing the blood to rush from your head to your feet. These are relatively easy to deal with: special flight suits can constrict around the legs and lower body to keep the blood where it belongs, and you can tense the muscles in your body from the bottom up to combat the effect, too. If you don't, you can easily lose consciousness. Negative Gs happen when you "dive," reducing the force on your body and causing the blood to rush to your brain. These are very difficult to deal with, since you can't flex muscles or constrict blood flow to the brain easily. Their USAF pilot says of Negative Gs "Don't do it." Transverse Gs happen when you turn to the side (as when a conventional plane enters a flat spin, the absolute worst thing that can happen). Like Negative Gs, there's nothing you can do to cope with Transverse Gs. Their USAF pilot says that when pulling Gs, positive is always preferable. So if you need to "dive" to get at an enemy aircraft below you, it's preferable to invert the plane and "pull up," rather than just dive. Now, in space, with no gravity field to affect the starfighter, it can turn and maneuver in pretty much any way it wants, to the most effective way to turn to would be flip the starfighter so that every maneuver was "pulling up," inducing solely positive Gs on the pilot. So the problem isn't that starfighters in Star Wars bank, it's that they don't bank enough .

Holy crap, I had come up with that reason for the sounds but have never been exposed to the radio drama, that's very cool thank you for sharing that.

7 minutes ago, Archlyte said:

Holy crap, I had come up with that reason for the sounds but have never been exposed to the radio drama, that's very cool thank you for sharing that.

Here ya go:

4 hours ago, kaosoe said:

Physics be damned, give me some screaming TIEs.

Just be sure not to search for "screaming Thais" or it gets NSFW really fast. ?

1 hour ago, ErikModi said:

Spaceships banking like WWII fighters. . . a book called Hollyweird Science tackled this exact question, speaking with a USAF pilot about the kinds of G-Forces you can experience in a fighter. There's three different kinds: positive, negative, and transverse. Positive Gs happen when you "pull up," increasing the force on your body, causing the blood to rush from your head to your feet. These are relatively easy to deal with: special flight suits can constrict around the legs and lower body to keep the blood where it belongs, and you can tense the muscles in your body from the bottom up to combat the effect, too. If you don't, you can easily lose consciousness. Negative Gs happen when you "dive," reducing the force on your body and causing the blood to rush to your brain. These are very difficult to deal with, since you can't flex muscles or constrict blood flow to the brain easily. Their USAF pilot says of Negative Gs "Don't do it." Transverse Gs happen when you turn to the side (as when a conventional plane enters a flat spin, the absolute worst thing that can happen). Like Negative Gs, there's nothing you can do to cope with Transverse Gs. Their USAF pilot says that when pulling Gs, positive is always preferable. So if you need to "dive" to get at an enemy aircraft below you, it's preferable to invert the plane and "pull up," rather than just dive. Now, in space, with no gravity field to affect the starfighter, it can turn and maneuver in pretty much any way it wants, to the most effective way to turn to would be flip the starfighter so that every maneuver was "pulling up," inducing solely positive Gs on the pilot. So the problem isn't that starfighters in Star Wars bank, it's that they don't bank enough .

This is sort of what I was getting at when I called it a bottomless hole.

If you posit technology that enables spacecraft that behave like aircraft, you've already neutralized Newtonian physics as we understand them (and this is why "inertial dampeners" are a thing). But if you've done that then g-force doesn't need to matter (also, as far as I'm aware we've never seen rebel, resistance, imperial, or first order flight suits act like g-suits on screen).

I really, really don't mean to harsh your buzz; if this sort of thing is fun for you, by all means, keep doing it. Read those books, find the tidbits in the audio dramas, all of it. There was a period of some years when it was fun for me too!

For whatever reason, it no longer is. Ah well. I'll bounce at this point, because I didn't intend to become the No Fun Thread Police ?

Yeah I was just wondering what thoughts would be on this because it came from the podcast and all.

12 hours ago, Vapor Eagle said:

This is sort of what I was getting at when I called it a bottomless hole.

If you posit technology that enables spacecraft that behave like aircraft, you've already neutralized Newtonian physics as we understand them

Not really. You just need an array of thrusters, like Babylon 5 's Starfury or those on the Viper of the remade Battlestar Galactica . A starfighter wouldn't bank with ailerons, but by imparting specific thrust and counterthrust to rotate. Now, we don't see that X-Wings and TIEs have anything like that, but whatever they have (some have made reference to "etheric rudders") it works well enough for storytelling purposes, if not geek nitpicking purposes.

1 hour ago, Archlyte said:

Yeah I was just wondering what thoughts would be on this because it came from the podcast and all.

Those comments have always sounded very tongue-in-cheek to me.

Luminiferous aether ? ?

On 7/2/2018 at 8:36 PM, korjik said:

Dont try to make space opera make scientific sense. This way lies madness . midichlorians

There fixed that for you.

4 hours ago, ThreeAM said:

There fixed that for you.

See everyone? Flee before it spreads to you!

21 hours ago, ThreeAM said:

There fixed that for you.

Nah, Midichlorians aren't about making sense, they're part of the sledgehammer-subtle symbiosis theme that runs through Phantom Menace.

Vapor already nailed this thing to my satisfaction but I'd reiterate that whilst internal consistency is very important in story telling (books, TV, movies. Not so important in a fun game with friends) there is absolutely no need for any work of fiction to adhere to real world logic. Their exiting the ship in space is not a plot hole. Their exiting the ship in space in one scene and not being able to in another would be a plot hole.

However, while OT is pretty good with internal consistency the prequels sequels and animated series are, to varying degrees, pretty inconsistent. In instances where those inconsistencies come up, I usually stick to OT. I'd say I stick to the source where is has the biggest effect but... Often i just want to capture OT vibes.

For the most part, I subscribe to the wise words of the Best Brains:

Quote

If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts
(La-la-la)
Repeat to yourself it's just a show,
I should really just relax.

I remember a time when people could discuss flights of fancy without having everyone chime in about how dumb it was.

In our first Edge campaign my son stated: 'You don't question Star Wars!'

1 minute ago, ExpandingUniverse said:

In our first Edge campaign my son stated: 'You don't question Star Wars!'

Wise words.

1 minute ago, Nytwyng said:

Wise words.

He was 15 at the time... We (meaning our gaming group) taught him well.

I tend to maintain in my games that the reason why everyone in Star Wars is so cavalier about lethal vacuum is because between artificial gravity, atmospheric shields, and various kinds of deflectors a spaceship can easily maintain a breathable atmosphere even if its hull is breached, or even extend its atmosphere outside of its hull to allow the crew to exit the ship in places where there shouldn't be any breathable air.

9 hours ago, Aetrion said:

I tend to maintain in my games that the reason why everyone in Star Wars is so cavalier about lethal vacuum is because between artificial gravity, atmospheric shields, and various kinds of deflectors a spaceship can easily maintain a breathable atmosphere even if its hull is breached, or even extend its atmosphere outside of its hull to allow the crew to exit the ship in places where there shouldn't be any breathable air.

that doesn't cover the freefall jump to an asteroid in Rebels. My thinking is their is atmosphere in space. It is not breathable. We see lots of examples of people exiting ships with just breath masks or even on where Ezra had his nocked off. the reaction was not a vacuum reaction be a not breathable atmosphere reaction. Also in the Pergil episode they jumps from space to the Asteroid and used a skydiving form.

You expect a cartoon for little kids to be accurate scientifically?

15 hours ago, Daeglan said:

that doesn't cover the freefall jump to an asteroid in Rebels. My thinking is their is atmosphere in space. It is not breathable. We see lots of examples of people exiting ships with just breath masks or even on where Ezra had his nocked off. the reaction was not a vacuum reaction be a not breathable atmosphere reaction. Also in the Pergil episode they jumps from space to the Asteroid and used a skydiving form. 

Pablo Hidalgo has answered this. The asteroid has an atmosphere, and they were simply still in it as they flew away, with the landscape below them out of shot. by the time they leave the asteroid he's back inside

15 hours ago, Daeglan said:

that doesn't cover the freefall jump to an asteroid in Rebels. My thinking is their is atmosphere in space. It is not breathable. We see lots of examples of people exiting ships with just breath masks or even on where Ezra had his nocked off. the reaction was not a vacuum reaction be a not breathable atmosphere reaction. Also in the Pergil episode they jumps from space to the Asteroid and used a skydiving form.

That’s because in the instances you mentioned, they weren’t in empty space. There was an atmosphere of various gases, and a relatively thick one at that. The Pirgils fed on those gases.