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Posted at 2018-07-02 09:16:20+00:00

ok, so on the 21st myself and 3 other lunatics will be playing a 1000pts per side 2v2 epic game.

as we are playing absurd points we are pretty out of the scope of the normal epic rules here so craziness is really only limited by what we have in our collections, which brings me to this thread.

one side is flying Imperial, the other has one Rebel and one Scum player. I'm flying Scum and I have access to no less than 5 C-ROC cruisers, do I go big and get all 5 of them on the table? I know there will be at least a Raider and Gozanti on the imperial side, and my teammate is looking to bring a CR-90, but do I go for a cruiser squadron? I've managed to put together a 500pt list that has 5x C-ROC, 6x z-95, and 4x Vaksai - the question is, is there such a thing as too many Epic's on the table?

Edited July 12, 2018 by Surak

Posted at 2018-07-02 11:23:41+00:00

2 hours ago, Surak said:

there such a thing as too many Epic's on the table?

For general Epicness, no, but you may struggle against better balanced forces.

Posted at 2018-07-02 11:40:25+00:00

5 C-ROCs will look absolutely awesome on the table, and if its just all about the fun, go for it.

For a little more balanced attack though, I would probably cut down to 3 and use those points for 4-6 more fighters. Kit 2 out for attacking and one for support to guide in a group of alpha striking fighters.

Area of effect weapons like Ion Torpedoes would be great in a game with that many targets on the board and are especially powerful for taking out capital ships who live and die by energy. A couple Y's or Starvipers with Ion torps and a couple Heavy Scyks with a mix of cannons might be a good way to round out the squad. With that many points there are so many options.

Posted at 2018-07-02 11:48:24+00:00

5 minutes ago, pickirk01 said:

5 C-ROCs will look absolutely awesome on the table, and if its just all about the fun, go for it.

that's basically my though process right there - especially as three of the C-ROCs will be "repurposed" Gozanti's - I'm mainly there for the fun, to the point I'm actually considering gearing one or two of the Cruisers up as missile boats, and another one or two as Raider-hunters with Turbolasers

Posted at 2018-07-02 12:52:43+00:00

1 hour ago, Surak said:

that's basically my though process right there - especially as three of the C-ROCs will be "repurposed" Gozanti's - I'm mainly there for the fun, to the point I'm actually considering gearing one or two of the Cruisers up as missile boats, and another one or two as Raider-hunters with Turbolasers

I hear ya. Actually, if I had the models or enough pals, I would love to run some sort of battle with nothing but like 4-6 Huge ships per side. (I know, play Armada, blah, blah, blah, its not the same.)

And just to make it interesting for that battle, I would probably do a house rule where the max energy of each ship is 2 higher and every maneuver gives +1 more energy so that those bad boys could actually get some things done.

Posted at 2018-07-02 13:22:21+00:00

500pt epic is a huge amount of fun, 300pts doesn't feel epic enough to me.

Area of effect and bombers are hugely effective in Epic, a squad of 4-6 missile carriers can wipe an epic ship out in a single engagement (or at least 1 half)

Posted at 2018-07-02 14:52:33+00:00

1 hour ago, Roundy1161 said:

500pt epic is a huge amount of fun, 300pts doesn't feel epic enough to me.

Area of effect and bombers are hugely effective in Epic, a squad of 4-6 missile carriers can wipe an epic ship out in a single engagement (or at least 1 half)

yup, the more points, the more epic

I'm currently thinking of backing my C-ROC mini-swarm with 2x m12 missile boats, a Scurrg bomber, and 2x IG88 (with 88D crew on the Turbolaser C-ROC)

Posted at 2018-07-02 15:02:59+00:00

I'm going to need a second raider....

Posted at 2018-07-02 15:32:24+00:00

26 minutes ago, Regnak said:

I'm going to need a second raider....

****, the opposition has found us!

Erm, no, no you don't need any raiders at all. in fact you should just bring un-upgraded TIE bombers with the shuttle title

Posted at 2018-07-02 15:47:23+00:00

Hhhmmm, i shouldn't be given this many points to play with.

5 C-ROC, all with Turbolasers

7x Binayre Pirates

5x Tansarii Point Veteren Heavy Syck

Serissu with a mangler cannon

=500pts of silly

Posted at 2018-07-02 18:52:37+00:00

This:

Squadron 1020 (499/100)
======================
C-ROC Cruiser: C-ROC Cruiser (35 + 21)
+ Courier Droid (0)
+ Targeting Coordinator (4)
+ Single Turbolasers (8)
+ Sensor Team (4)
+ Optimized Generators (5)
C-ROC Cruiser: C-ROC Cruiser (35 + 21)
+ Courier Droid (0)
+ Targeting Coordinator (4)
+ Single Turbolasers (8)
+ Sensor Team (4)
+ Optimized Generators (5)
C-ROC Cruiser: C-ROC Cruiser (35 + 22)
+ Jabba the Hutt (5)
+ Targeting Coordinator (4)
+ Heavy Laser Turret (5)
+ IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
+ Merchant One (2)
+ Optimized Generators (5)
Z-95: Black Sun Soldier (13 + 4)
+ "Hot Shot" Blaster (3)
+ Munitions Failsafe (1)
Z-95: Black Sun Soldier (13 + 4)
+ "Hot Shot" Blaster (3)
+ Munitions Failsafe (1)
Z-95: Black Sun Soldier (13 + 4)
+ "Hot Shot" Blaster (3)
+ Munitions Failsafe (1)
Z-95: Black Sun Soldier (13 + 4)
+ "Hot Shot" Blaster (3)
+ Munitions Failsafe (1)
M3-A Interceptor: Sunny Bounder (14 + 4)
+ "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
+ Linked Battery (2)
M3-A Interceptor: Cartel Spacer (14 + 6)
+ "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
+ "Mangler" Cannon (4)
M3-A Interceptor: Cartel Spacer (14 + 6)
+ "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
+ "Mangler" Cannon (4)
M3-A Interceptor: Cartel Spacer (14 + 6)
+ "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
+ "Mangler" Cannon (4)
M3-A Interceptor: Cartel Spacer (14 + 6)
+ "Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (2)
+ "Mangler" Cannon (4)
M12-L Kimogila Fighter: Cartel Executioner (24 + 6)
+ Deadeye (1)
+ Plasma Torpedoes (3)
+ R4 Agromech (2)
M12-L Kimogila Fighter: Cartel Executioner (24 + 6)
+ Deadeye (1)
+ Plasma Torpedoes (3)
+ R4 Agromech (2)
Kihraxz Fighter: Black Sun Ace (23 + 3)
+ Veteran Instincts (0)
+ Cruise Missiles (2)
+ Scavenger Crane (1)
+ Vaksai (0)
+ Guidance Chips (0)
+ Munitions Failsafe (0)
Kihraxz Fighter: Black Sun Ace (23 + 3)
+ Veteran Instincts (0)
+ Cruise Missiles (2)
+ Scavenger Crane (1)
+ Vaksai (0)
+ Guidance Chips (0)
+ Munitions Failsafe (0)
Kihraxz Fighter: Black Sun Ace (23 + 3)
+ Veteran Instincts (0)
+ Cruise Missiles (2)
+ Scavenger Crane (1)
+ Vaksai (0)
+ Guidance Chips (0)
+ Munitions Failsafe (0)
Kihraxz Fighter: Black Sun Ace (23 + 3)
+ Veteran Instincts (0)
+ Cruise Missiles (2)
+ Scavenger Crane (1)
+ Vaksai (0)
+ Guidance Chips (0)
+ Munitions Failsafe (0)

Posted at 2018-07-10 13:45:39+00:00

ok with just over a week and a half to go, and knowing I've got 2 Raiders and a ton of fighters to deal with, here is what I'm thinking;

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Single Turbolasers (8)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Supercharged Power Cells (3)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Dengar (3)
Heavy Laser Turret (5)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Optimized Generators (5)
Merchant One (2)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)
Insatiable Worrt (1)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Serissu (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Kaa'to Leeachos (15)
Deadeye (1)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 500

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Edited July 10, 2018 by Surak

Posted at 2018-07-10 20:55:00+00:00

Im assuming the heavy Skyc titles with no actual cannons are for the extra hull. That's not a bad idea. Here are a few alternatives you could consider, though again, the 2 pt "hull upgrade" is not bad.

1. Remove one Black Sun Soldier and put a mix of tractors and Ions on the Scyks. Tractor can pull ships closer to the short ranged C-ROCs or put things on rocks or into the path of an epic to get run over. And Ions wreck those energy starved Raiders.

2. Change the Heavys to light Scyks for a 4 pt per ship savings and add a 6th one to the squad. Should have a couple points left so maybe do some crack shots or something.

3. A combo of 1 and 2. Change a couple heavys to light and put cannons on the rest.

Posted at 2018-07-10 21:33:17+00:00

35 minutes ago, pickirk01 said:

Im assuming the heavy Skyc titles with no actual cannons are for the extra hull. That's not a bad idea. Here are a few alternatives you could consider, though again, the 2 pt "hull upgrade" is not bad.

1. Remove one Black Sun Soldier and put a mix of tractors and Ions on the Scyks. Tractor can pull ships closer to the short ranged C-ROCs or put things on rocks or into the path of an epic to get run over. And Ions wreck those energy starved Raiders.

2. Change the Heavys to light Scyks for a 4 pt per ship savings and add a 6th one to the squad. Should have a couple points left so maybe do some crack shots or something.

3. A combo of 1 and 2. Change a couple heavys to light and put cannons on the rest.

In order

Yeh the titles on the syck are for the cheap hull

Might do that and add linked battery to all the Syck's

I don't have any more Syck models

and tempting

Posted at 2018-07-10 23:17:06+00:00

1 hour ago, Surak said:

In order

Yeh the titles on the syck are for the cheap hull

Might do that and add linked battery to all the Syck's

I don't have any more Syck models

and tempting

If I helped, even if I just helped you decide your build was best for your squad then great.

Regardless, have fun and get lots of pics. I want to see a "Squadron" of C-Rocs bearing down on those Raiders.

Posted at 2018-07-11 06:39:24+00:00

7 hours ago, pickirk01 said:

If I helped, even if I just helped you decide your build was best for your squad then great.

Regardless, have fun and get lots of pics. I want to see a "Squadron" of C-Rocs bearing down on those Raiders.

this thread has definitely been a great help (my last post was at midnight my time, so yeh, um, moving on) and I'm now going to see what I need to do to get either linked battery or Arc-casters on those Syck's

I'm reliant on Regnak (one of the opposition) for pictures, but I'm sure we will sort something out

Posted at 2018-07-11 08:36:34+00:00

ok slight revision;

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Single Turbolasers (8)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Supercharged Power Cells (3)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Dengar (3)
Heavy Laser Turret (5)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Optimized Generators (5)
Merchant One (2)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)
Insatiable Worrt (1)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
ARC Caster (2)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
Linked Battery (2)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Serissu (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
Stealth Device (3)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Kaa'to Leeachos (15)
Deadeye (1)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 500

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Posted at 2018-07-12 12:52:18+00:00

just in case anyone is interested, one of my opponents has posted their own version of this thread here

Posted at 2018-07-16 20:31:21+00:00

On 7/10/2018 at 8:45 AM, Surak said:

ok with just over a week and a half to go, and knowing I've got 2 Raiders and a ton of fighters to deal with, here is what I'm thinking;

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Single Turbolasers (8)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Supercharged Power Cells (3)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Single Turbolasers (8)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Supercharged Power Cells (3)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Dengar (3)
Heavy Laser Turret (5)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Optimized Generators (5)
Merchant One (2)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)

C-ROC Cruiser (35)
Courier Droid (0)
Construction Droid (3)
Quad Laser Cannons (6)
IG-RM Thug Droids (1)
Backup Shield Generator (3)
Optimized Generators (5)
Insatiable Worrt (1)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Adaptability (0)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Serissu (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Black Sun Soldier (13)

Kaa'to Leeachos (15)
Deadeye (1)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 500

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Sounds like you could use one of these

Posted at 2018-07-17 09:07:38+00:00

12 hours ago, RuusMarev said:

Sounds like you could use one of these

Hhhmmm, that could have been fun - Scum need a proper double-card epic ship

Posted at 2018-07-18 08:13:10+00:00

ok, silly idea time (maybe)

is it worth swapping some/all of the construction droids out for Operations Specialists to create some obnoxious token spamming?

also, is it worth dropping the two turbo lasers to heavy laser turrets for a bit more flexibility?

Edited July 18, 2018 by Surak

Posted at 2018-07-18 08:37:19+00:00

Stop stealing ideas from my thread!

Posted at 2018-07-18 08:48:50+00:00

8 minutes ago, Regnak said:

Stop stealing ideas from my thread!

1) any good idea is worth stealing;

2) but for the record I simply repurposed the idea, and multiplied it by 5;

3) its thematic for the scum to repurpose things from the imperials;

4) it would mean you don't have to worry about 2x supercharged turbolasers;

Posted at 2018-07-18 10:16:33+00:00

All valid points.

At least you can't 're-purpose' the Ruthlessness idea

Posted at 2018-07-18 12:17:59+00:00

2 hours ago, Regnak said:

All valid points.

At least you can't 're-purpose' the Ruthlessness idea

no, but fearlessness on those arc-caster syck's could be funny

Epic Epic - 500pts per player, 2v2 (scum edition)