First: The Last Jedi is now on Netflix (at least in the U.S.)

Second: Because of this I was able to re-watch that scene at the end of the movie with broom sweeping kid. I watched it 3 times, so I can confirm, he definitely force pulls that broom to himself.

I just wanted to share because I think it was mentioned/discussed in the other TLJ thread. Also posting for myself, since I had heated discussion with one of my friends about it after seeing it in the theater.

Anyway, I am not really posting about this with my opinion about it, rather just a piece of information to share.

“The Last Jedi Movie Review - KYLO REN REACTS” already had footage of the broom scene, (at the very end) and it has been on YouTube since December.

There was doubt that the Broom Kid didnt use the Force?

(Also, we're still doing spoilers for Eight?)

Yeah, it happened quickly and I wasn't sure if I caught it the first time either, so I had to rewind it to make sure. Nice touch.

8 hours ago, Desslok said:

There was doubt that the Broom Kid didnt use the Force?

Yeah, my roommate and I Deeply disagreed after we got out of the theater. He believed the kid did not use the force. So naturally i had to call him out on his epic wrongness when I re-watched it.

9 hours ago, Desslok said:

(Also, we're still doing spoilers for Eight?)

Apparently? I don't know what the standard here is, I guess a good point might be the DvD release?

14 minutes ago, ThreeAM said:

Apparently? I don't know what the standard here is, I guess a good point might be the DvD release?

That's not a bad rule of thumb? I didn't see it in the theater and had to wait for it to hit streaming.

I actually didn't catch it the first time in theaters either. It made some people mad, but so what..

6 minutes ago, Shaheed the Gand said:

I actually didn't catch it the first time in theaters either. It made some people mad, but so what..

Just about evry part of that film made some people mad. I just saw it yesterday (it's now on Netflix) and I though it was pretty terrible, but that last scene didn't even rate a blip on my sensors.

So he's force sensitive with the Move Force Power?

Colonist career maybe?

20 minutes ago, copperbell said:

So he's force sensitive with the Move Force Power?

Colonist career maybe?

So given his telekinetic abilities and age is he Luke's son?

In my opinion, no.

I think the entire point of the end of the movie was the idea that the next hero can be a "nobody". Ren is revealed to be a nobody (if that sticks through Ep. 9) that became a hero. Broom boy is the ultimate nobody that can be a hero. Anyone can be a hero and change the Galaxy.

19 minutes ago, Sturn said:

In my opinion, no.

I think the entire point of the end of the movie was the idea that the next hero can be a "nobody". Ren is revealed to be a nobody (if that sticks through Ep. 9) that became a hero. Broom boy is the ultimate nobody that can be a hero. Anyone can be a hero and change the Galaxy.

Then there's Ezra Bridger...

Whose got more right to the nobody than Rey but for her force download ability...

Makes me wonder what if she's the result of an experiment by Darth Vader to clone Padme explaining why she's resembles her so much and perhaps her force abilities if its a side effect of Darth Vader's efforts to bring back the woman he loved?

Given that neither Jedi nor Sith tend to have children, I don't see why the idea of force-users without force-using parents is all that interesting. Palpatine isn't the child of mighty Jedi, for example. Kanan Jarus. Ezra Bridger. The Skywalkers are unusual in that we know their linage. But their are hoards of Jedi in the Prequels for whom we have no evidence they came from other Jedi.

13 hours ago, TheSapient said:

Given that neither Jedi nor Sith tend to have children, I don't see why the idea of force-users without force-using parents is all that interesting. Palpatine isn't the child of mighty Jedi, for example. Kanan Jarus. Ezra Bridger. The Skywalkers are unusual in that we know their linage. But their are hoards of Jedi in the Prequels for whom we have no evidence they came from other Jedi.

Agreed. In order to keep having Padawans there must be spontaneous force ability among some children. The Force will always find a way.

It's interesting to me that maybe the Jedi Order realized millenia ago that children of Jedi did tend to be really powerful and that's why the Order enforces celibacy.

The movies never showed the Jedi urinating or defecating on-screen but we are pretty sure they did these things. It's not hard to imagine that they fornicated too and that this was likewise not shown on-screen for obvious reasons.

10 hours ago, Scotboyd said:

Agreed. In order to keep having Padawans there must be spontaneous force ability among some children. The Force will always find a way.

It's interesting to me that maybe the Jedi Order realized millenia ago that children of Jedi did tend to be really powerful and that's why the Order enforces celibacy.

Well, even GL himself said that the Jedi weren't celibate. They (at least those of the prequel era) just weren't allowed to form emotional attachments .

The Legends lore was full of examples of force sensitives from families that were not force sensitive. I am inclined to say that is how most of force sensitives were actually. The Skywalker saga, and a few others seems to indicate that the offspring of those that are force sensitive often are powerful force sensitives as well, but its not mandatory either way.

I think TLJ seems to be ascribing to this, anyone can be force sensitive, no familial lineage required. Personally I think i prefer to move away from the familial lineage, as the Star Wars universe already tends to have a "small universe" problem where everyone knows everyone and constantly bumps into each other.

'I'll try sweeping.....that's a good trick....'

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Well, even GL himself said that the Jedi weren't celibate. They (at least those of the prequel era) just weren't allowed to form emotional attachments .

Certainly there is no evidence that celibacy was specifically required, but the relationship between Jedi and their real world inspirations imply that Jedi did not in general run around getting pregnant or impregnating people. We don't see them behaving as sexual beings very often. Anakin never tries to disguise his marriage as simply a sex thing. He is rather obvious about his emotional attachment, but no one knows about the sex.

Impregnation without attachment seems pretty irresponsible. And we know the Jedi were deeply concerned with finding young force sensitives. Wouldn't they be required to keep a sex log? We never see anything like that. We see lots of female Jedi, exactly zero of whom we can identify as pregnant.

The idea that Jedi and Sith are the primary sources of young force users just seems terribly inconsistent with the universe we see in the movies and shows. Yes, force users seem to produce force users, but that does not seem to be the main route they come to be.

8 minutes ago, TheSapient said:

Anakin never tries to disguise his marriage as simply a sex thing. He is rather obvious about his emotional attachment, but no one knows about the sex.

Indeed. And Padme hides the fact that Anakin is the father of her kids. Obi-Wan has to guess it.

My guess is that a child conceived by a Force-user will almost always be a Force-user, and also, something like one in a million, or probably one in a billion, children conceived by normies will be Force sensitive. With the size of the Galaxy's population, that would probably lead to the numbers of total Jedi we see in the prequels, since there are probably a few trillion sentient beings total and the Jedi probably don't get every single Force sensitive child.

10 minutes ago, TheSapient said:

Certainly there is no evidence that celibacy was specifically required, but the relationship between Jedi and their real world inspirations imply that Jedi did not in general run around getting pregnant or impregnating people. We don't see them behaving as sexual beings very often. Anakin never tries to disguise his marriage as simply a sex thing. He is rather obvious about his emotional attachment, but no one knows about the sex.

Impregnation without attachment seems pretty irresponsible. And we know the Jedi were deeply concerned with finding young force sensitives. Wouldn't they be required to keep a sex log? We never see anything like that. We see lots of female Jedi, exactly zero of whom we can identify as pregnant.

The idea that Jedi and Sith are the primary sources of young force users just seems terribly inconsistent with the universe we see in the movies and shows. Yes, force users seem to produce force users, but that does not seem to be the main route they come to be.

No one is saying that Jedi (or Sith) were the primary progenitors of future Jedi inductees, at least not during the Prequel era. All I am saying is that they were not required to be celibate. They were simply not allowed to form strong emotional attachments. As for “impregnation without attachment” being irresponsible, that depends. Not every culture within the SW galaxy shares the same views on family as we do, not even among humans or near humans. Look at Zeltrons, for example. Zeltrons don’t believe in monogamy. They don’t get married. They’re the ultimate “free love” society. Other species have communal cresches where young are raised by the whole community.

5 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

My guess is that a child conceived by a Force-user will almost always be a Force-user, and also, something like one in a million, or probably one in a billion, children conceived by normies will be Force sensitive. With the size of the Galaxy's population, that would probably lead to the numbers of total Jedi we see in the prequels, since there are probably a few trillion sentient beings total and the Jedi probably don't get every single Force sensitive child.

Yup, and add to that the fact the Force sensitive beings are also born into societies that have no knowledge of the force, jedi, etc, and therefore are explained locally as things like witches, mystics, where there are revered, outcast, or maybe just go totally unnoticed.

7 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

My guess is that a child conceived by a Force-user will almost always be a Force-user, and also, something like one in a million, or probably one in a billion, children conceived by normies will be Force sensitive. With the size of the Galaxy's population, that would probably lead to the numbers of total Jedi we see in the prequels, since there are probably a few trillion sentient beings total and the Jedi probably don't get every single Force sensitive child.

I think if that were the case, Yoda and Obi Wan would have been telling Luke to get out there and get busy as much as he could. On the other hand, maybe? I kind of think we are dealing with the creators not building an entirely consistent and logical universe.

6 minutes ago, TheSapient said:

I think if that were the case, Yoda and Obi Wan would have been telling Luke to get out there and get busy as much as he could.

Well, for one thing that would be a pretty un-Jedi thing for Luke to do. But also, it could easily be more efficient to just search for the half dozen Force sensitives who are already there (statistically speaking) on every inhabited world. Luke is just one guy; no matter how busy he gets, the Galaxy will produce more Force sensitive children on its own than he possibly could. He might increase the total number by 10% or something if he starts a sperm bank, but why is that even necessary?

8 minutes ago, TheSapient said:

I kind of think we are dealing with the creators not building an entirely consistent and logical universe.

Absolutely. One must always apply movie logic and not real logic when the subject is Star Wars.

1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

Indeed. And Padme hides the fact that Anakin is the father of her kids. Obi-Wan has to guess it.

Cause that would have been really hard to guess. I imagine the number of people who guessed that one is in the trillions