Jam and Esege Tuketu

By sharrrp, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Esege Tuketu: When a friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking it may treat your focus tokens as its own.

I don't have the exact wording but Jam token is basically "if you have a Jam and a focus (or evade, or blue TL) discard the jam and your token".

So the question is, if I've got an attacking ship with a jam token on it and Esege is within range 2 with a focus can I opt to "treat the focus as mine" and trigger the discard of the jam?

It kinda seems like that should work but it's pretty weird. I could see it both ways. In my game we opted to just roll for it but curious what everyone thinks. This could work with Shara Bey and a TL hypothetically as well.

Wouldn't the situation be much the same as Hot Shot Co-Pilot, and the requirement to spend a focus token?

As soon as you're assigned a Jam token, the Jam Token rule comes into effect and forces you discard the jam token and one other. I don't think you can wait until you've begun an attack to trigger it.

Yes I'd say you could but only when attacking.

I kinda think yes.

The reason is Poe Dameron. If Poe has no tokens, but is at Range 1-2 of Esege, he can convert a focus result without spending Esege's token, correct? That's treating a token as his own, but not spending it. It just "counts" as if Poe has it. As such, I think if a Jammed ship attacks and elects to treat Esege's tokens as their own, you'd remove a focus token from Esege for each jam token on Lady Marmalade or whoever is attacking. Further, if Lady Marmalade is super jammed with like 3 tokens, it'd eat as many of Esege's focuses as he has. In other words, you couldn't spend a focus token from Esege for dice mods: it'd have to go towards jam . However, Esege's target locks would be safe.

By extension, I think this could apply to Shara Bey and blue target lock tokens.

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I don't believe this is the case with Targeting Synchronizer. There, you'd be able to spend the lock to reroll dice, but not to clear a jam. I could probably be persuaded by a strong argument, but my initial view is that it wouldn't work. They worded TS in such a way as to block synergy with Omega Leader, and as such, I think the jam-clearing trick wouldn't work.

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I guess there are two questions... One, can you choose to remove a Jam token if you don't actually have the focus/evade/blue lock, but instead are treating someone else's as if it were your own? And two, does having Esege Tuketu nearby require you to spend the jam token on his focus, or is it the player's option?

2 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

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I guess there are two questions... One, can you choose to remove a Jam token if you don't actually have the focus/evade/blue lock, but instead are treating someone else's as if it were your own? And two, does having Esege Tuketu nearby require you to spend the jam token on his focus, or is it the player's option?

I'd say on that last point it's clearly player's choice. Esege says MAY treat tokens as yours. So you just opt not to activate the ability if you don't want to strip Esege's token.

In my game I had an A-Wing that was jammed by a reaper and Esege was nearby with two focus thanks to recon spec, and no need of either one at this point so I opted to have the A-Wing trigger the ability just to clear the jam when his attack turn came up. My opponent and I weren't sure if that should work or not so we rolled for it and I got to do it.

Based on the Poe ruling someone mentioned, I'm inclined to think that does work as long as you have an attack to make.

15 hours ago, Parravon said:

As soon as you're assigned a Jam token, the Jam Token rule comes into effect and forces you discard the jam token and one other. I don't think you can wait until you've begun an attack to trigger it.

The Jam stays until you have a token though, they don't go away at end of round or anything. So next round if you perform a focus action and get a focus token then that activates the jam token effect at that point and you lose both. You don't ever choose to activate the Jam it just happens when you have an affected token.

3 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

I guess there are two questions... One, can you choose to remove a Jam token if you don't actually have the focus/evade/blue lock, but instead are treating someone else's as if it were your own? And two, does having Esege Tuketu nearby require you to spend the jam token on his focus, or is it the player's option?

I'd argue that you don't have to use Esege (the text says may). However, if you elect to involve Esege, I don't think you have a choice after that--Jam gets involved. Say Esege has two focus tokens, if Lady Marmalade (the Jammed ship) wants to spend one on her attack, the Jam token would have a chance to eat the other one first.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

I'd argue that you don't have to use Esege (the text says may). However, if you elect to involve Esege, I don't think you have a choice after that--Jam gets involved. Say Esege has two focus tokens, if Lady Marmalade (the Jammed ship) wants to spend one on her attack, the Jam token would have a chance to eat the other one first.

I like this interpretation. It's both permissive and restrictive: You don't have to share the Focus token, but as soon as you do, the Jam token sees it and eats it.

9 hours ago, sharrrp said:

The Jam stays until you have a token though, they don't go away at end of round or anything. So next round if you perform a focus action and get a focus token then that activates the jam token effect at that point and you lose both. You don't ever choose to activate the Jam it just happens when you have an affected token.

Good point. I hadn't thought about the token hanging over from a previous attack or round. I was thinking that if you've just received a jam token, then you're more likely to be the "defender" and not attacking.

So, if you have no tokens and receive a jam token, and then make an attack, I see no reason why you can't blow one of Esege's focus tokens to get rid of your Jam token.