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Jedi Master Luke vs Captain America
Luke wouldn't have to cut through Cap's shield. He'd be off hiding on an island.
21 minutes ago, Frimmel said:Luke wouldn't have to cut through Cap's shield. He'd be off hiding on an island.
No, he wouldn't be off hiding on an island. WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM.
Maybe it was Luuke C'kywalker
1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:No, he wouldn't be off hiding on an island. WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM.
As a fan of both worlds, I'm gonna have to go with "No".
Vibranium's ability to dissipate energy would make it resistant to lightsabers, much like cortosis was.
Edited by kris40k4 hours ago, kris40k said:As a fan of both worlds, I'm gonna have with "No".
Vibranium's ability to dissipate energy would make it resistant to lightsabers, much like cortosis was.
Agreed. And if it could it would take a long time (wich wouldn't work in a combat situation.)
Plus a jedi would simply jank it away with the force as soon as cap threw his shield.
Edited by Robin GravesNow, Luke vs Paul Atreides, that would be more interesting.
Obi Wan vs The juggernaut. (Those jedi mind tricks aren't gonna work.)
Or Star Lord vs Han Solo. (that's a close one)
Mace Windu vs Nick Fury...
7 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:No, he wouldn't be off hiding on an island. WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM.
Right? I mean we all know for a fact that people behave the same way in their early 20s as they do in their 60s.
We all know that regardless of whatever experiences people have over the course of an unseen 40 years, they'll be exactly the same as when we saw them last.
We all know this, so what the ****, Disney? Have you ever met a single person?!
1 hour ago, Robin Graves said:Agreed. And if it could it would take a long time (wich wouldn't work in a combat situation.)
Plus a jedi would simply jank it away with the force as soon as cap threw his shield.
Maybe.
Vader and Kylo Ren both demonstrated the ability to stop or deflect energy blasts, so they can "grab" amazingly fast moving objects. Cap does usually bounce the shield around quickly to come from a different angle instead of straight on (like Han Solo and Poe tried) so it might be harder for them to focus on the direction of the attack, and he has fought telekinetics/Magneto before so grabbing the shield from him isn't an auto win.
Now, a telekenetic, limited-precog with superspeed and a laser sword is another story.
Edited by kris40k1 hour ago, kris40k said:Maybe.
Vader and Kylo Ren both demonstrated the ability to stop or deflect energy blasts, so they can "grab" amazingly fast moving objects. Cap does usually bounce the shield around quickly to come from a different angle instead of straight on (like Han Solo and Poe tried) so it might be harder for them to focus on the direction of the attack, and he has fought telekinetics/Magneto before so grabbing the shield from him isn't an auto win.
Now, a telekenetic, limited-precog with superspeed and a laser sword is another story.
Yup, Jedi are OP.
Speaking of Cap's shield: Anyone (from Marvel) ever blasted straight trough it? I think X-ray from the U-Foes did that once.
15 hours ago, Sekac said:Right? I mean we all know for a fact that people behave the same way in their early 20s as they do in their 60s. We all know that regardless of whatever experiences people have over the course of an unseen 40 years, they'll be exactly the same as when we saw them last. We all know this, so what the ****, Disney? Have you ever met a single person?!
No offence @Sekac , but I'm going to take Mark Hamill's opinion on the matter over yours.
1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:No offence @Sekac , but I'm going to take Mark Hamill's opinion on the matter over yours.
1 hour ago, Demon4x4 said:
Shhhh that doesn’t fit their narrative.
2 hours ago, Demon4x4 said:
Or maybe this one?
https://www.avclub.com/mark-hamill-regrets-ever-making-his-debates-with-rian-j-1823713825
But they'll probably dismiss it as Disney forcing him to say publically that he actually like The Last Jedi...
Which actually coincide with their way of thinking. If Luke can't possibly change in 30 years, there is no way that Mark Hamill could change his mind after actually seeing the movie and the final result.
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I believe in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the legend of Luke Skywalker doesn't sit at home and feel sorry for himself while the galaxy burns. The Luke in TLJ is just a man and we don't need to care anything about him. If you're defending that choice for Luke, what is entertaining about that to you? Why do you like that? There isn't anything in the whole way Luke was written in TLJ that sits wrongly with you? Do you even actually LIKE Star Wars?
58 minutes ago, Frimmel said:I believe in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the legend of Luke Skywalker doesn't sit at home and feel sorry for himself while the galaxy burns. The Luke in TLJ is just a man and we don't need to care anything about him. If you're defending that choice for Luke, what is entertaining about that to you? Why do you like that? There isn't anything in the whole way Luke was written in TLJ that sits wrongly with you? Do you even actually LIKE Star Wars?
Legend =\= facts.
Agree to disagree, I guess. TLJ was the first time I ever felt Luke a compelling character. Maybe I'm just not as much into hero-worship as some others, though. It's not difficult for me to believe that a man might 'sit at home while the galaxy burns' if he both felt somewhat responsible for that state, and only felt that he may make things even worse with his continued involvement/meddling. Internal conflict of the sort is more compelling to me than pining over missed opportunities to pick up power converters. I'll assume your last question was rhetorical, since you're basically asking someone if they like Star Wars, because they liked a Star Wars movie.
Edited to add: The 'Legend of Luke' isn't compromised, in my opinion. It's alive and well, and everyone, aside from perhaps Rey, still thinks as much.
Lightsaber v Vibranium alloy shield, discuss.
Keep it on-topic. Jedi vs Super-soldier serum enhanced individual also allowable.
32 minutes ago, kris40k said:
Lightsaber v Vibranium alloy shield, discuss.
Keep it on-topic. Jedi vs Super-soldier serum enhanced individual also allowable.
Yeah! Do you want this thread to get moved to the Off Topic subforum??
10 minutes ago, Sekac said:Yeah! Do you want this thread to get moved to the Off Topic subforum??
Threads have individual topics.
Just saying, you guys* are the worse nerds ever. Given a perfect volley for a "Who would win in a crossover: XXX versus YYY" discussion and instead you guys are dragging it down into yet another TLJ ***** arguement, of which this forum has plenty of already.
* the general "you guys"
Edited by kris40kJust now, kris40k said:Threads have individual topics.
Just saying, you guys are the worse nerds ever. Given a perfect volley for a "Who would win in a crossover: XXX versus YYY" discussion and instead you guys are dragging it down into yet another TLJ ***** arguement, of which this forum has plenty of already.
Sure, but when a thread was off Topic by.... the very first reply, is there a thread worth rescuing?
Just now, Sekac said:Sure, but when a thread was off Topic by.... the very first reply, is there a thread worth rescuing?
Sure, if you don't feed into it and bring it back on track instead of continuing derailing.
2 hours ago, Frimmel said:I believe in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the legend of Luke Skywalker doesn't sit at home and feel sorry for himself while the galaxy burns. The Luke in TLJ is just a man and we don't need to care anything about him. If you're defending that choice for Luke, what is entertaining about that to you? Why do you like that?
Seeing people act like real people is the only time pulpy sci-fi/fantasy has any weight to it. You should care about people who are just people, not just the ubermensch.
9 hours ago, Frimmel said:I believe in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the legend of Luke Skywalker doesn't sit at home and feel sorry for himself while the galaxy burns.
I also believe in the legend of Luke Skywalker. I believe in the legend of the man who single-handedly stop an army without even fighting. I believe in the legend of the man who sacrificed himself so that his sister and her group or Resistance could live on to fight another day. I believe in the legend of the man who will inspire a new generation to stand up against oppression. Because at the end, he didn't sit at home and feel sorry for himself, he projected himself to Crait, even though using that power would kill him, and saved the day.
9 hours ago, Frimmel said:The Luke in TLJ is just a man and we don't need to care anything about him. If you're defending that choice for Luke, what is entertaining about that to you? Why do you like that? There isn't anything in the whole way Luke was written in TLJ that sits wrongly with you?
On the contrary, we do need to care about him. Seeing how far Luke as fallen is what makes me care so much about him. We all know how he was during his youth, when he was fighting for the rebellion, we all expected to see him stronger than ever, the legendary Luke Skywalker coming to the rescue. So what happened that broke him so much? I care about that. And I care about seeing him confronting his inner demons and come back at the end as the hero he was before. I care about seeing him, at the end, finally at peace with himself. I care because I can actually relate to him. He's not a superman, he's a man just like everybody else, with his strenghts and his weaknesses.
The way Luke is portrayed in The Last Jedi is, from my personnal opinion, perfect. He's a pacifist. Remember the quote from Yoda ''Wars not make one great''. Since the Return of the Jedi, Luke always tried to avoid confrontation. Even though Yoda and Obi-Wan both tried to push him to kill Vader, Luke didn't want to. During his combat on the Death Star, he tried to avoid as much as possible to face his father, even hiding from him. Until Vader threatened him to turn his sister instead. And that's when the killer instinct kicked in. A dangerous path he took that almost made him kill his father even though he went there with the idea to save him. Same thing happened with Ben. Instinct kicked in and he almost killed his nephew. He then realised that his inner demon was still there and that it could come back at any moment. Maybe next time he could not stop himself. So he decide to go hide and cut himself from the Force so that it would never happen again. Combine that with the shame of being the reason Ben completely turned to the dark side (like I explained to you in another thread not so long ago) and we have the Luke from The Last Jedi.
But even though he's a pacifist, in both fight sequence in TLJ with Luke, we see that he's a real badass. When he confronts Kylo, he dodges all his strike without any real effort. We see that he's in complete control of the fight, that the only reason why he doesn't strike back is because he's not actually there and it would expose the illusion. The only time Kylo actually touch him is when Luke allows him to. He's winning a fight without even fighting. That's incredible. It reminds me of all those samurai duel we see from the old japanese movies, it's brilliant. And when he fights Rey, he shows her two time that he would have win the fight if he wanted to. First he strike her on her back right at the beginning, then he parry all her strike without much effort, and then he disarm her completely. The only reason why he fall back is because she actually light a lightsaber in front of him and he can't parry it with his lightning rod. We see in his face that he wonder if she will actually strike him with it. But he owned her, if it was a lightsaber duel and he wanted to, Rey would be dead. But that's not Luke, he doesn't want to fight. He's now above that.
10 hours ago, Frimmel said:Do you even actually LIKE Star Wars?
Now come on. I think that loving or hating The Last Jedi or the way Luke is portrayed is not an indicator of if someone love or hate Star Wars. But to ask this question to someone that is actually defending a Star Wars movie is quite strange. I would personnally ask this question to someone that says that he like Star Wars but hate the Ewoks, the Prequels, the Sequels and everything else Disney made. Him, I would wonder if he actually like Star Wars.
But to answer your question: No, I don't LIKE Star Wars, I LOVE Star Wars. I'm now 37 years old and I grew up with it since I can remember. I played the WEG RPG when I was young, read the books, even was a member of the Star Wars fan club back in the 90s (still have a membership card :P). And I personnally love what Disney is doing with the franchise and don't understand why some people thinks that Star Wars needs to be saved.
Luke and Cap would clearly have an epic 10min battle to a breathless stand off. Luke would force retrieve his lightsaber. Cap would yank his shield from a pillar. Luke would brush his shoulder off. Cap would wipe a drip of blood from his brow.
Then the real villian would show up, reveal his evil plan and then get pwnd by the pair of them.
They'd then do a full forearm, brotherhood shake, make honourable, lifelong vows. Luke would say something about the real fight being with oneself. Cap would reply with something pithy. Then they'd both depart through their respective swirly portals.
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