So, looking at the list of cards in the conversion kits, I see a strong lack of named pilots.

So, I ask you this FFG: are we required to buy 1 of each new "old" ship to get the named pilots?

(sorry if this has been asked and answered before)

Cheers.

Official word is no, you won't need to rebuy ships. There'll be the main conversion packs for wave 1, then smaller update packs* for content that'll come with re-released ships in future waves.

* though we don't know in what form yet.

I am hanging my hope on this:

"The number of ships supported (by maneuver dials included) in each Conversion Kit are:"

But I need more info from FFG. RAW (Reading as Written) vs RAI (Reading as Intended).

They have explicitly said that the conversion kits cover all upgrades that will be included in re-released ships, so if you buy a conversion kit, you will not need to re-buy any ships you already own.

From the authors of ...
"We will never release cardboard only expansions."
...and...
"Expansion packs without miniatures? It's not going to happen."

...get ready for...
"Veteran players will not need to buy ship models they already own to get the upgrades."

Coming Soon!

23 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

They have explicitly said that the conversion kits cover all upgrades that will be included in re-released ships, so if you buy a conversion kit, you will not need to re-buy any ships you already own.

This is not 100% true. The conversion kits have content for all 1.0 ships and all 2.0 ships being released in Wave 1.

Rereleases of ships in future waves will have new content, which the Devs have stated will have a way of being acquired without rebuying the model.

Thread title should be: "Dear FFG and Asmodee decision makers, how much are you going to charge for the ship upgrade packs?"

I hope the veteran upgrade packs will have alt art from the retail ship packs.

I just fear ffg has set the bar too high with the opening conversions. I mean for $50 you get like what around 40 ships converted. Ok that was good but say in a couple months they want to update a handful more, I’m not paying say $20 for a single faction pack of like 2 ships.

That is what I fear the upgrade path looks like. Obviously not hard numbers but paying any more than $5 for a single ship upgrade is going to be a VERY bitter pill to swallow. I’m not seeing much value in the conversions past the starter ones unless they are ridiculously cheap and not only FFG but certainly Asmodee are not in any way known for charity. Ultimately what this will cause me personally to do is skip lot’s of ships and just buy a single 2.0 one to get a new sculpt and the named pilots.

edit:This is also screwing with power upgrades. We all know it’s only a matter of time until something becomes must have. People will get the conversions just for a discount on the flashy upgrade cards and sell the dials and templates. This will make conversions have a steep demand curve and make certain conversions almost impossible to find. Though it should make just ship converting much much cheaper with a little leg work.

8 hours ago, Voloch said:

So, I ask you this FFG: are we required to buy 1 of each new "old" ship to get the named pilots?

Would you like to eventually have new upgrades and pilots for ships you already own?

4 hours ago, Azrapse said:

From the authors of ...
"We will never release cardboard only expansions."
...and...
"Expansion packs without miniatures? It's not going to happen."

...get ready for...
"Veteran players will not need to buy ship models they already own to get the upgrades."

Coming Soon!

Personally, when I hear "cardboard-only expansion," I imagine brand new cards, not a mere conversion. However, whether it is or is not an expansion doesn't change the fact that the earlier statements were about X-Wing, while the latter is about X-Wing Second Edition.

It's something akin to taking statements made about D&D 4E being less mechanically complex, and trying to apply those statements to 5E. A new edition is essentially a new game, though conversion may be possible.

I'm in the same place. Looking at the rebel conversion kit, norra and evaan aren't part of it. The same is for thane in the x-wing expansion: it seems that he's not part of the conversion kit..

So what do we have to do? Buy all the kit and expansions?

6 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

They have explicitly said that the conversion kits cover all upgrades that will be included in re-released ships, so if you buy a conversion kit, you will not need to re-buy any ships you already own.

The keyword, unfortunately, is upgrade. Both of the rebel ship expanaions contain new pilots not included in the Rebel Conversion kit (Thane Kyrell for the X-wing. Norra Wexley and Evaan Verlaine are not in the contents list of the conversion kit. While FFG hasn't... lied to us, a lot of people assumed the new pilots were included, which led to a lot of misinformation being relayed second hand.

Edit: Supposedly there will be baggies with the new wave 1 pilots added in, which are probably prototypes for the future mini-conversions. I think a lot of people would appreciate links to an official source, though.

My worry is, take the new Y-Wing article: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/6/18/begin-attack-run/

There are two new Y-Wing pilots, Norra and Evaan. Will they by in the upgrade kits or will I need to buy a new Y-Wing to get these new pilots? This is what I want the devs to answer.

6 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

They have explicitly said that the conversion kits cover all upgrades that will be included in re-released ships, so if you buy a conversion kit, you will not need to re-buy any ships you already own.

I don't think this is right, sadly... I think they've only said it would contain all of the upgrades available in the Wave 1 ships of 2.0... but it seems there are pilots that are only in the expansion packs and who knows about upgrades that may be included in the Wave 2+ packs...?


I think, basically, the end goal is if you want to have access to everything when you squad-build, you have to buy the Core, the Conversion Kit, and at least one of every expansion pack in 2.0, sadly...

36 minutes ago, Shinren said:

So what do we have to do? Buy all the kit and expansions?

So it would seem, if we want to have access to "everything" available to our faction(s) of choice. All the more reason to go single-faction in 2.0...

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/wzk72947.html

this is what I'm expecting to pay and to see in the future when it comes to Waves of SE 2.0 and later. So $8 USD for cardboard and cards for new releases in the wave PER ship. Terrible deal compared to the conversion kits. Other possible scenario I would "accept" is a $20 pack that includes 2 of each non-unique card included in each factions release (ie: wave 2.0 includes Awing, Bwing, YT1300, HWK-290) .

4 minutes ago, Voloch said:

My worry is, take the new Y-Wing article: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/6/18/begin-attack-run/

There are two new Y-Wing pilots, Norra and Evaan. Will they by in the upgrade kits or will I need to buy a new Y-Wing to get these new pilots? This is what I want the devs to answer.

Wave 1 SE pilots are in the conversion kits. Norra and Evaan are in the conversion kit.

Go back and rewatch the beginning of the devs "unboxing" stream. The devs hold up little baggies and say those contain the wave 1 upgrades. They have not been spoiled to the best of my knowledge.

Edit to add: If the kits add extra generic bases, that would be really, really nice.

54 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Go back and rewatch the beginning of the devs "unboxing" stream. The devs hold up little baggies and say those contain the wave 1 upgrades. They have not been spoiled to the best of my knowledge.

Edit to add: If the kits add extra generic bases, that would be really, really nice.

Well, that answers my question

Dear User: Don't you want new ships?

15 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Would you like to eventually have new upgrades and pilots for ships you already own?

20 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Dear User: Don't you want new ships?

For me that‘s a clear yes, but OP didn‘t answer yet

2 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Dear User: Don't you want new ships?

I can’t speak for the OP, but mine is the answer “it depends”.

I want new ship types, yes.

I don’t want to buy even more Of the ships I may have multiples of already.

1 hour ago, ScummyRebel said:

I can’t speak for the OP, but mine is the answer “it depends”.

I want new ship types, yes.

I don’t want to buy even more Of the ships I may have multiples of already.

If it has new paint or sculpt, I probably want it.

If I don't already have enough of it to make a squad of generics, I probably want it.

If I have enough of the ship from my existing collection plus one of the new sculpt and just want more of a card or more cardboard to play multiple new generics, I'll go for the veteran pack.

I want new ships, not reprints

I don't need a 6th X-wing, 5th Y-Wing, 11th TIE Fighter, 3rd Firespray a.s.o.

I think there are two elements that make up a larger more general question. 1) Buying ships you already own to get new upgrades or pilots, and 2) Buying new ships to get new upgrade cards that can be used on existing ships (sometimes known as the "do I really have to buy a ship I don't want to get a card I do want?").

We've already seen a clear answer of yes to the first one. Despite the conversion pack and future upgrade paths, one has to buy the Renegades pack for 2.0 content that will otherwise not be available - specifically the U-wing and X-wing pilots. And this same pack along with the Reaper release also have examples of #2 - Krennic will be an Imperial crew that is only sold with the Reaper and likewise for Saw.

I don't think it's a realistic expectation not to have to buy new ships at some point. They've said that they will try to avoid players having to buy a pack from a faction that they don't collect but there's bound to be at least a few cards in scum packs that can be used for Rebels and Imperials and vice versa.