13 minutes ago, Ken-Obi said:

I don't know - I get tired of people saying it's a sliding scale so it's fine. I totally agree that FFG would make the model itself look great. But it will not look great next to the other stuff on the table because it would have to be absurdly small. We know the counterpoint already - the CR90 is absurdly big next to the other ships, even at the sliding scale, and it looks fine to most(?) people... I just don't think the same would be true of an SSD. Also, I still haven't heard a satisfying idea for how it would actually play on the table - how many dice would it throw, just 2 attacks per turn same as everything else, how many shields, etc.

IMHO the bottom line is that if FFG thinks the product would sell, they'll make it regardless of how good it is on the table, whether that's good or bad I'm not sure.

For Size - for me it honestly depends on how they do it. Simply going with the "X-Wing's Raider" scale, wouldn't be big enough, so I'm hoping for their largest model ever. 2 Feet Long will be nice, and even though it won't be to accurate scale, it'll be the largest thing ever so will STILL look impressive and I'll be super happy.

For combat power, I've been suggesting in my videos for a long time, that there be multiple versions of it. "Under Construction" is on obvious way to get it on the table, give it no movement, and still give it a small amount of dice - It might be cheap, might be an objective, ore even might be strategic and effective as a stationary unit that's worth about 100 points? Furthermore there can be other, more powerful versions of it. A Nearly complete version, say around 200 points, that has multiple arcs and can attack 3x a turn perhaps?

And a Final version - only for epic games. Have it cost 400 points on it's own. Allow an 800 point battle to truly look epic. Something like that.

Yeah. For me, the current large ships are plenty big enough for what the game can handle, and I just don't see how anything bigger could work in a reasonable way. Maybe it can, but I certainly don't feel any need for it.

I'm not bothered enough to complain if they do release it – at least I'll get to skip a wave as I'm still trying to catch up with older stuff – but I hope that it will be for some special format only so that I don't have to run into it in regular games.

11 hours ago, Belphegor07 said:

This isn't meant as an insult or an argument to anyone that does want an SSD in the game, I just can't see why the game needs it and I would like to be convinced because riding aboard the hype train is much more fun then the cynical bus that I'm on.

If you can't see it, then there's no point in trying to convince you, is there?

I'm thinking that this is one of those things of: "For those who understand, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible."

But, perhaps I'm too cynical about the nay-sayers. Could you tell us what sorts of arguments might work on you?

3 hours ago, LostFleet said:

the real question is what will Rebels have to counter the SSD?

Rumor is they are getting more A-Wings

38 minutes ago, Ken-Obi said:

I don't know - I get tired of people saying it's a sliding scale so it's fine. I totally agree that FFG would make the model itself look great. But it will not look great next to the other stuff on the table because it would have to be absurdly small. We know the counterpoint already - the CR90 is absurdly big next to the other ships, even at the sliding scale, and it looks fine to most(?) people... I just don't think the same would be true of an SSD. Also, I still haven't heard a satisfying idea for how it would actually play on the table - how many dice would it throw, just 2 attacks per turn same as everything else, how many shields, etc.

IMHO the bottom line is that if FFG thinks the product would sell, they'll make it regardless of how good it is on the table, whether that's good or bad I'm not sure.

I played a friendly 1000 point game a while back against a local player with a Mel's Minis SSD, a little over 2 feet long and using an Epic X-Wing sized base. My impression is that it looked great next to everything thanks to the size and height of the model on the table, it dwarfed everything including the ISDs flying alongside it. Much like in the films, the visual perspective on the tabletop is far more important than actual size towards making something look right and that's why sliding scale works.

I want it because my shelf demands a nice looking SSD to be placed upon it.

2-2.5 feet would be nice.

12 hours ago, Crabbok said:

I simply can't wrap my head around why anyone would even question a Super Star Destroyer. Does not compute. I don't question Oxygen, I'm just thankful to breathe it in. Much like the air I breathe, so is a Super Star Destroyer also crucial to life.

Praises be unto ye, oh Lord Piett. May your commands glisten through the halls of eternity, and into my soul. So Say We All.

So say we all.

14 hours ago, Thraug said:

I'm just hoping any SSD isn't part of some epic play Armada. Does anyone really want that?

I absolutely want epic scale Armada. I want to command an Armada, not a squadron.

I almost want it just so we can get Admiral Piett at this point. My favorite Imperial Naval Commander with the most screen time, the only one to appear in two films, needs to be in this game. Period.

I want it, so it will never happen. How do I know this? Because I want Dreagnoughts too for years now...

Aside from the venator, it’s the last remaining iconic triangle not in the game but in the movies. Make it cost 300+ points so it’s really not reasonable in competitive play but makes for fun 1000 point games.

I simply want an official FFG SSD, don’t ask me to explain myself ?

It’s wanted because people like big, showy centerpiece models. Have you ever played 40k, why do so many 40k players want titans (in some cases, 3, tall models)? Why do SW legion players (and, for that mater, IA players) want 30mm scale AT-ATs.

For convention games flying frog productions have produced 3up versions of some boss enemies, there are lots of people who want to buy them.

Hawk Wargames offered an upscaled version of some ships for dropfleet commander.

Before the Robotech tactics project crashed and burned there were people who wanted to scratch build an SDF1 for the game.

Some X-Wing players still want a star destroyer for x-wing epic.

It's hardly isolated to SW Armada. People like and want BIG models, and the SSD is a big ship that is super cool looking and super iconic to SW.

9 hours ago, Ken-Obi said:

Also, I still haven't heard a satisfying idea for how it would actually play on the table - how many dice would it throw, just 2 attacks per turn same as everything else, how many shields, etc.

I’d probably split the front & side arcs into 2. Dice would naturally depend on the scale. But if an ISD has an 8 dice front arc I’d say give it 14 overall, split between 2 fronts. Terrible if you get caught in both but not an auto kill for larger ships if caught in one.

It’s got to have 5-6 shields per arc I’d think.

Maybe they can just introduce it as art on a playmat.

12 hours ago, Crabbok said:

I get so sick and tired of people saying that a SSD would need to be TOO BIG to fit on the table.... (Because apparently they don't realize that Armada is a sliding scale), that I actually hope they make the Executor SMALLER Than an ISD just to spite them.

You can slide only so much....

3 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

Maybe they can just introduce it as art on a playmat.

Ewww, no. It’s all about the models.

To each their own, but I've heard all of this and I don't begrudge anyone else's opinion but I just completely disagree. I've seen custom SSDs people have posted about playing with and they just look silly to me next to everything else. I've also seen what people have come up with for rules and stats, and again, I just haven't seen anything I'd be satisfied with. To be perfectly clear, I'm not knocking the models that people come up - there are some creative and talented people playing in this space for sure. I do think FFG would produce a nice model if they wanted this in the game.

There probably won't ever be consensus on this in the community I guess. I'm like the OP and just can't get on board with this idea. However I did buy the XWing rebel and Imp epic stuff because they make a very nice display in my office at work, so I'm sure if there were an SSD expansion, that's what I'd do with it too.

I think people want an SSD because it's the last official GCW-era ship awaiting a model. And lots of people seem to like the idea of just having it to have it, or to display the model. Plenty of people display their Armada fleets or display their X-Wing Epic ships. Me, personally, I hide them away in Plano cases down in the game room and only dig them out for tournaments and CCs, but to each their own.


But why anyone would want an SSD in the game is a bit beyond me. The price would be prohibitive and the scale would be so far off the sliding scale, even if the thing were 3ft long. But, from a gameplay perspective, the thing's power level would also be so far off the scale. Would it be killable by 400pts of stuff? Because that would be silly. Would it require bigger "Epic" games of Armada... because it's hard enough to even find an opponent with the time to play a standard game of Armada. We had to call the one CC that went to All Out Assault because it was simply not viable to find a time where everyone could do the All Out Assault and the 4+ hours that would have taken. And then, you're still reducing the tactical depth of the game greatly. The fewer things on the game board, typically, the less dynamic and interesting that game board is. Fewer commands to set, fewer ships to move, fewer ships to choose from when deciding who to activate ... etc. etc. etc. The whole game is going to orient around a relatively undynamic shoebox on the table... did the SSD die? Okay, SSD wins. Did it die? Okay, the opponent wins.


Then there's the balance issue. Will Rebels also be getting a ship of that scale? Would the SSD be full of goodies for both factions, forcing the Rebels to buy one for access to some upgrades? Would the SSD include only Imp-Stuff, and if so would that stuff only be used in some SSD format or would it be usable in standard format too (like how the X-Wing Epic ships would include a few juicy Standard format upgrades to tempt purchasers). If so, would the SSD be a standalone release like other Epic ships and would this mean the Imperials get a bunch of new toys while Rebels get nothing? Or would it be part of a wave, where the Imps 'miss out' on a standard ship? Either way, seems like players of only one faction will be upset.



So, I can see reasons to want an SSD for completeness' sake or for the aesthetic display model. But from a gameplay perspective, I don't see how it would be a great addition. And from a practical release / marketing perspective, it seems problematic. So it seems unlikely. Then again, FFG teased 'something big' and nothing seems to have satisfied that, but that was a long time ago and maybe sales and marketing strategies have changed? Maybe FFG wants to stop splitting its customers between five Star Wars lines and would like to consolidate their customer base into three groups (Destiny, X-Wing, Legion) because then it's less conflict for the printers, fewer design teams, fewer play testers, less marketing, etc etc etc ...

4 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

it's the last official GCW-era ship awaiting a model.

I remember one of these in the OT, is it not official? (I don't know much about them I just noticed it in RotJ last year lol).

19 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

I want it because my shelf demands a nice looking SSD to be placed upon it.

2-2.5 feet would be nice.

I have too many mini's for the shelf space I already have....But I'd add on for an SSD...

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I remember one of these in the OT, is it not official? (I don't know much about them I just noticed it in RotJ last year lol).

Ah, the Dornean Gunship or Bra'ha'tok (SP?) gunship.

Despite being someone who loved Star Wars because of the Battle of Endor space scenes, and being someone who read the technical manuals and played the CCGs, and being someone who watched the Space Battle in RotJ dozens of times... I only noticed the Dornean gunship after actively looking for it, knowing it was somewhere in the background of those scenes. It's about as iconic as Willrow Hood and his Computer Core Ice Cream machine.

That being said, a few feature in the background of the Battle of Scarif now, but as a small corvette-sized ship that is already in a faction with Hammerhead Corvettes and CR90s, what of interest could the Dorean gunship really bring? CR90s and HHs already have a hard time justifying their existence in competitive Rebel fleets, so the absolute last thing I would want as a Rebel player is yet another small ship in the corvette family.

A Rebel combat flotilla. Perhaps anti squadron, with minor anti ship abilities. Cheap picket ships for your fleet. There is always room for more!

Cause you know, people like star destroyers and "super" makes them better.

1 hour ago, TheBigLev said:

A Rebel combat flotilla. Perhaps anti squadron, with minor anti ship abilities. Cheap picket ships for your fleet. There is always room for more!

Could be nice if you could bring more than 2

2 hours ago, moodswing5537 said:

I have too many mini's for the shelf space I already have....But I'd add on for an SSD...

Put it this way, Most of my shelf space is currently taken up by my x-wing minatures, heroclix, a GI Joe Figure, A transformer, and some Halo Mega Blocks figures. You give me a SSD, I will clear space off ONE of my shelves for it and surround it with Armada Tie Fighters, Light Cruisers, and a few Imperial Shuttles.