Considering Visions of Dawn as my fifth H&M. I like those sculpts a lot, but this concerns me...

Is there any redundancy with ogres, trolls, and ettins? Do ogres and trolls bring anything truly new that the ettins don't? The ettins have better attack, reach, better defense, can throw (albeit less reliable than knockback)

Given the choice, would you ever choose ogres or trolls over ettins?

Sweep and backswing are pretty good with the trolls! And besides that, the miniature of the troll is looking awesome!!! Has some real force in it compared to the ettin

The new Ogres are pretty poor and you'd pretty much never want to use them over an Ettin, unless you desperately need Knockback. Waaay too squishy for a large melee monster group.

The conversion kit Ogres are good though -> Undying makes them very sticky, allowing their powerful Knockback move to trigger in some crucial situations, such as against Sir Palomon in the Shadow Rune campaign.

In contrast to Ogres, the Trolls are an excellent group - better than Ettins in many situations, in fact.

The Troll's Backswing is a tremendously powerful ability. One of the best in the game, in fact.

It is capable of combining a powerful attack and a stun effect in a single action, and no surge is required. This is very economical. The even crazier part about it is that the attack can deal no damage, or even miss completely and they still have to test for the Backswing. Same can't be said for almost any other monster that can inflict conditions. The fact that it works with Sweep to stun multiple targets is just icing on the cake. Get a lucky Sweep + Stun turn off and you will dominate a quest.

In short, use them Trolls and win!

7 hours ago, Lightningclaw said:

Is there any redundancy with ogres, trolls, and ettins? Do ogres and trolls bring anything truly new that the ettins don't?

I feel like you ought to include giants in that list...

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Given the choice, would you ever choose ogres or trolls over ettins?

Heavens no, the ogres have never gotten table time.

13 minutes ago, Bucho said:

I feel like you ought to include giants in that list...

Heavens no, the ogres have never gotten table time.

Unfortunately, I don't have giants. They do seem remarkably similar to trolls, though.

6 hours ago, TryFal said:

Sweep and backswing are pretty good with the trolls! And besides that, the miniature of the troll is looking awesome!!! Has some real force in it compared to the ettin

Seeing that image of the troll mini is what got me interested in this one... that hammer is so cool.