the arrival of 2.0 impacts players/collectors in different ways. it really depends on how much more money you feel you can throw into upgrading your fleet. for some of us there will be a point of no return where you have committed loads of money to the game already and therefore cant bear the thought of just leaving altogether. There will be those who arrived the last two years and will not have amassed a big collection yet. The conversion kits will suit them because they can comfortably change from 1.0 to 2.0 buy buying one or even two conversion kits for their preferred faction.

FFG was always going to risk losing many of their existing player base by rolling out 2.0. I think they weighed this up with the counter-balancing effect of attracting new players to the game. Designers wanted to future-proof the game and ensure that it had room to rollout cool new products that didnt harm the long term balance of the game (Power creep was hurting some aspects of the game rendering some archetypes and upgrades meta warping and we were seeing more and more fixes being rolled out in an attempt to keep things balanced).

2.0 seems to bring lots of fresh ideas to the table and has likely bought some of the rarely played ships back into the fold. We could be looking at a 3-4 year cycle as some have suggested xwing 3.0 might be on the horizon. There will almost certainly be products waiting in the wings that are ready to roll out in support of the upcoming starwars movies. This will keep the game fresh, I just hope our wallets can keep pace.

5 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:

Do you accept Imperial or New Republic credits?

10 hours ago, DarkSpade said:

Maybe if they had split the large and small ships into two separate conversion kits?

I haven't seen this suggestion yet. Individual ship conversions is impractical, but a split between small/medium & large base ships would actually address the big issue we are seeing about not enough conversions for the small base ships. Most of us are going to be tossing out thousands of unneeded large ship conversion pieces.

3 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

But... this... but... credits are money? Ow my head.

I feel your pain.

1st edition right now is all about 3-ship lists of mismatched ships.

Soooooo excited to fly more of that in 2nd edition unless I buy 2-3 conversion kits. Yay. ?

i wonder how may ppl out there will be sticking to one faction? seems like the most cost effective option until resale market makes picking up surplus dials/cardboard inserts cheap eh?

6 hours ago, mazz0 said:

What’s a wave 2 upgrade kit?

We don't know yet. FFG have stated that there will be a way to upgrade re-released ships without re-buying the actual ships. Whether that takes the form of individual conversion kits or some sort of combined Wave kit has not been explained.

16 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

The time and shipping investment makes this an option but not a good one. It’s a tax on an already taxed investment. Good luck to those doing this but it’s not for me and I expect many others. As for trading, I have nothing but 1.0 junk to trade I can literally use everything in the conversions I am buying and would need more besides.

Furthermore most people are loooking for the same ship cardboard such as tie/ln or xwings. If you place first order or resistance maybe even scum you might be able to do fine on the secondary market especially if you are looking for newer releases of cardboard. But rebels and imperial players are screwed.

Im going to have a hard time finding someone to take my 2 extra tie/ln, 3 tie/fo, 2 t-70s, ghost and shuttle for extra cardboard on ships I need like tie/ln or ships I want like newer imperial releases.

I'll probably wait and see what the further waves bring us for the conversion kits before buying too many. We may not have all the generics for the A-Wing dials out of the conversion box, but if we do once we add the further packs then it might turn out alright.

3 hours ago, Gilarius said:

We don't know yet. FFG have stated that there will be a way to upgrade re-released ships without re-buying the actual ships. Whether that takes the form of individual conversion kits or some sort of combined Wave kit has not been explained.

But every previously released ship is in the first conversion kits - what else is there to upgrade?

Oh, you mean new unique pilots etc that are in the expansions that weren’t in the conversion kit, like the separate wave 1 bag inside the conversion kit. I getcha.

18 hours ago, DarkSpade said:

So they went with only 2 of most small ships in the conversion kits. Great, I bought at least 3 of each. I'm looking at spending at least $300 to get all the conversion kits I need.

You can probably get by with just one conversion kit for each faction for a while. Soon, the prices on conversion kits will drop as stick sits after a while. 6 months to a year later you should be able to pick up more kits for cheaper.

So, can you get by without having kits for everything you own for that long? That is the question.

19 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

I'll only be picking up one Scum conversion kit. Why? Because one kit will still give you hundreds of combinations to try out, and if I decide I want to field more, then I can pick them up at a later date

Right on the spot

If you have a huge collection that needs multiple conversion kits of each fraction, you are not playing that whole collection right now and won't in 2.0

I don't have enough stuff to fill a complete conversion kit and still I do have the feeling that I don't play some ships at all.

I can understand the frustration of having to choose between spending more money or having some ships not upgraded, but I'm not sure what alternatives they really have. No conversion kit will fit everyone's collection (as it is, having only one copy of most ships, I'm buying a lot of cardboard I'm unlikely to ever use), so no matter what, someone will be unhappy with how their collection fits.

So the other alternatives I can think of would be to not have conversion kits, have individual ship conversions, or not have second edition at all.

I guess what I'm saying is, mourn for your wallet, but celebrate 2.0!

20 hours ago, Stefan said:

Buy one conversion kit and then resort to barter and the secondary market.

This has been stated a thousand times, if it has been stated once.

I think everyone counting on this approach is going to be in for a rude awakening. My prediction is that this approach is not going to work or end well for most people.

2 hours ago, heychadwick said:

You can probably get by with just one conversion kit for each faction for a while. Soon, the prices on conversion kits will drop as stick sits after a while. 6 months to a year later you should be able to pick up more kits for cheaper.

So, can you get by without having kits for everything you own for that long? That is the question.

Errrrrrr, are you suggesting that the supply of conversion kit will actually be in excess of the demand, or that they might reprint them later?

My biggest fear is that there won't be quite enough of them, and if you don't pick up the kits in the first few months, you'll be stuck forever...

8 hours ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

i wonder how may ppl out there will be sticking to one faction? seems like the most cost effective option until resale market makes picking up surplus dials/cardboard inserts cheap eh?

I'm going double faction in 2.0 with Empire and First Order, but I still think of it like a single faction.

The only thing I'm stuck on is my rebels. I did an inventory and I've got more than I thought. I almost never play them, but I've ended up with what I have because of chasing upgrades.

I'm happy I won't have to buy any more rebels in second edition, and I don't want to upgrade the rebels I already have, but I don't want to get rid of it all either.

Scum is easy. I don't care about any of it. My scum collection doubled in size just by removing the imperial firespray.

1 hour ago, any2cards said:

This has been stated a thousand times, if it has been stated once.

I think everyone counting on this approach is going to be in for a rude awakening. My prediction is that this approach is not going to work or end well for most people.

How come? It's not really any different to the upgrade card secondary market at the moment. I guess the only issue is that you might have everyone only looking for A-Wings from the Rebel kit (for example) so there's not so many around.

3 hours ago, mazz0 said:

But every previously released ship is in the first conversion kits - what else is there to upgrade?

The first conversion kits don't include Resistance or First Order. Personally, I hope they do those factions in one box. I'm not sure there are enough ships yet to justify having two unless they're significantly cheaper than the initial ones.

15 hours ago, mazz0 said:

What’s a wave 2 upgrade kit?

First order , resistance,

maybe epic

maybe a 6th faction aka prequel ships

15 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

I can play at any points limit I want, and I like larger games. I like themed games, narrative games, and Epic games, so being told I can only use two of any ship unless I pay $65 more per faction is a pretty rough slap in the nuts.

If you're not playing competitive 100/6 (200/6? :)) you *definitely* don't need multiple conversion kits! There will be plenty of bases in the conversion kits and unless you're ornery about them matching all your ships perfectly everything is totally playable with just a single kit. If you really do want every one of your x-wings to say "blue squadron" or whatever on the base (MAH THEME) that's cool but that's pretty voluntary and hardly a criticism of the conversion kit contents.

Not even a little because A) I buy only what I want to fly and not max number of everything and B) I don't know what I will want to fly in 2.0 yet, so I'm perfectly fine putting what I can field with 1 kit on the table until I come up with a list that requires more.

3 hours ago, any2cards said:

This has been stated a thousand times, if it has been stated once.

I think everyone counting on this approach is going to be in for a rude awakening. My prediction is that this approach is not going to work or end well for most people.

Agreed and hope my feelings are wrong but I see the secondary being a complete disaster. It’s NOT like the upgrade market. This will require a dial and pretty much every pilot for that dial or the reseller is screwed with worthless leftovers. The popularity and need for certain ships will VASTLY outstrip supply. Swarm ships will be unicorns, large ships will be oddlots garbage no one wants or needs. Trading could work but again I doubt very well. Have to wait and see but I am pretty firmly content with what I am getting not adding or subtracting anything and I feel that is the only sensible solution, be zen.

Proxy proxy and proxy. If a product doesn't come over as fair don't give them your money honestly.

5 hours ago, __underscore__ said:

How come? It's not really any different to the upgrade card secondary market at the moment. I guess the only issue is that you might have everyone only looking for A-Wings from the Rebel kit (for example) so there's not so many around.

In a perfect world, there would be a balanced distribution and supply/demand for assets available within the conversion kits. In that world, everyone searching for items, say on eBay, would be met with equal sellers/traders. It is my humble opinion that this "world" is pure fantasy.

First, I don't think that there is going to be sufficient conversion kits produced (at least initially) to meet the demand that will exist. This in turn is going to make it more unlikely that you are going to be able to find someone that will match up with your needs; in other words, trying to find someone that wants to sell/trade precisely what you are looking for ...

Second, many of the posters on this site are already unhappy with the make up of each of these kits ... many for the exact same reasons. Therefore, I would predict that demand for certain items is going to far out weigh supply ... This will most assuredly result in seeing extreme demands for certain items ... those demands being either very high prices, or requests in trade that are anything but balanced. I also expect that the initial limited supply of conversion kits is going to result in the same kind of demands, especially from those that will do their best to buy many conversion kits, just to sell them, either as an entire kit, or to piece them out, most likely hoping to get greater return individually, then they would by re-selling the kit in its entirety.

Third, I predict given the above, and the response that has already occurred by the unveiling of what is in the conversion kits, there are going to be many, many threads posted after September complaining of same. It would not shock me if re-stock availability of conversion kits goes unfulfilled for at least 6+ months ... leading to even more unhappiness.

I have given much thought to this, and actually have another 1/2 dozen points or so, but you get the idea ...

I truly believe that those who have an average to above average collection of X-Wing 1st Edition (spanning all factions), and are hoping to say purchase only 1 conversion kit initially, for the faction they play most (reducing the initial cost), are going to be some of the most unhappy people in the long run. I think that once they decide they really want conversion kits for the other factions, they won't be readily available. This in turn is going to make it even harder to try and take the path of buy/sell/barter pieces, and the pieces need for this approach won't be available.

As a disclaimer, I am not moving on to second edition. I have an enormous 1st edition collection, mostly because I love the miniatures. I have never actually played the game. But even if I did, I would be reluctant to move on for various reasons that aren't worth discussing at this time.

Quite frankly, I hope my thoughts on this, in time, are proven wrong. I hope that all of you that wish to move on to second edition can do so both economically, and on the time schedule you desire. I wish you all the best !

I just don't think it is going to work the way many people believe ...