1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Eh.

If you can’t wait, you’re undeserving of getting good stuff when it - eventually - comes.

Armada is worth waiting for.

Don't be toxic. You are better than that. You may disagree with what people are reporting or even how they feel, but they are no less deserving than you. I would still play WHF or 9th Age. There is, unfortunately, no one in my area to play. Is this my fault? Am I undeserving?

37 minutes ago, ryanabt said:

Don't be toxic. You are better than that. You may disagree with what people are reporting or even how they feel, but they are no less deserving than you. I would still play WHF or 9th Age. There is, unfortunately, no one in my area to play. Is this my fault? Am I undeserving?

Been saying “have some patience” and had negativity thrown back in my face for so long, this was really inevitable.

27 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Been saying “have some patience” and had negativity thrown back in my face for so long, this was really inevitable.

Dras, I haven't been negative to you, so don't lump me in with whoever else. Even if that were the case, it doesn't take away from your comment in this thread, which was that people discouraged about FFG's lack of communication and its corresponding negative consequences for their community should just be patient and that if they aren't, they don't "deserve" the game.

There are a couple problems with this, and I believe that because you do actually care about the community, you will consider them.

#1 People weren't saying they were quitting, they were lamenting that FFG's policies are decimating Armada communities or making it difficult to build them.

#2 You don't get to decide who is deserving. It isn't your game. It might be accurate to say that if they aren't patient they won't be around when we inevitably get good stuff, but deserving? Come on. That reeks of elitism.

Here is the deal. People shouldn't be rude when you say "be patient" any more than you should be rude to them.

I can’t have my own personal opinion, now?

just because I may think someone is undeserving doesn’t make that a legally binding FACT.

Negativity Grinds me down.

Being lectured doesn’t help.

That’s where I am right now.

Sorry.

To be fair, IA had roughly a 6 month gap between release of HotE and the announcement for Tyrants.

We are on what? Month 4? 5?

My theory is releasing Legion and X Wing 2.0 back to back has been a strain on FFG development resources, causing the other Star Wars games to get a pause in development. The average Armada model sculpt is probably more time consuming than the average X Wing sculpt, and there wasn't an opportunity for any significant movie tie in content for the last 2 movies released.

X Wing just got their movie tie in scum falcon announced significantly after the movie came out, instead of timing the release to coincide. That tells me they were falling behind on even X Wing, which is still their flagship Star Wars game they would pour the most into if given the choice. The X Wing developers themselves said in a video that X Wing 2.0 development fell significantly behind their expected development schedule, but that they had extra time available. That extra time available doesn't mean it didn't come at a cost to other projects - Armada and other games probably got pushed out.

I don't think there is enough content in the new trilogy to build new trilogy factions out of yet. If they are building prequel trilogy factions there would be no urgency to release them to tie into any outside releases, making them good candidates to push out to make more time for Legion and X Wing development.

I'm sure we will hear about something soon for Armada. Just hang on. This is nothing like Netrunner, since FFG didn't lose their Star Wars license.

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

I can’t have my own personal opinion, now?

just because I may think someone is undeserving doesn’t make that a legally binding FACT.

Negativity Grinds me down.

Being lectured doesn’t help.

That’s where I am right now.

Sorry.

I am sorry that I implied you couldn't have an opinion. I didn't mean to. I also did not intend to lecture. Honestly, I probably said something about what i perceived as rude because I know you try to create a positive atmosphere.

To get back on topic (if you want), I think that people are not upset about Armada and that they (we) are fine with a slower release schedule. I know in my case I think that the issue is more with the complete craptastic FFG update policy. Not because they aren't giving me another wave, but because they can't support the communit y enough to say, "Hey Armada, we are going to be giving Armada one update a year, but don't worry, we are dedicated to supporting you through articles, OP, and the occasional campaign or special release."

The ability to put together the above statement suggests that I am a better public relations guy than whoever they have.

If they keep neglecting the armada community, I think Disney SHOULD pull the rights to make armada,if they arnt doing anything with it anyway. They shouldn't be able to milk money off of the same ol same ol for extended period without ANY sort of apology to the community at the very least.

This is starting to feel like a no mans sky issue. "Something big is coming" // "Our game is going to contain xxxxx"

Yet months later..... SILENCE AND COLLECTING DUST.

4 minutes ago, Zeoinx said:

If they keep neglecting the armada community, I think Disney SHOULD pull the rights to make armada,if they arnt doing anything with it anyway. They shouldn't be able to milk money off of the same ol same ol for extended period without ANY sort of apology to the community at the very least.

This is starting to feel like a no mans sky issue. "Something big is coming" // "Our game is going to contain xxxxx"

Yet months later..... SILENCE AND COLLECTING DUST. 

FFG and Disney have some sort of arrangement that allows FFG to use the Star Wars IP, with veto rights by Disney (I'm told that's why it can take a while for some announcements/promotions to hit us, because Disney needs to check everything to make sure it gets the thumbs-up). Disney doesn't give them the rights to Armada specifically, Armada is a product made by FFG using the Star Wars IP agreement. Disney can't do anything about it even if they wanted to, which I doubt they do.

4 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

If they keep neglecting the armada community, I think Disney SHOULD pull the rights to make armada,if they arnt doing anything with it anyway. They shouldn't be able to milk money off of the same ol same ol for extended period without ANY sort of apology to the community at the very least.

This is starting to feel like a no mans sky issue. "Something big is coming" // "Our game is going to contain xxxxx"

Yet months later..... SILENCE AND COLLECTING DUST.

FFG's Star Wars is so much more than Armada. There's Rebellion, Imperial Assault, three lines of the RPG, a dice game, X-Wing, and now Legion. Since Lucasfilm doesn't have an entertainment marketing arm of their own, they're wise to entrust it to companies that have a good reputation for excellent games and that continue to deliver. I daresay all of FFG's games for Star Wars have been well received... the LCG may have been discontinued for reasons we couldn't know (winding up for a new product? Destiny basically does the same thing?).

I'd regret it so much if Armada was discontinued, because aside from Rebellion this has been the most satisfying list-building tabletop minis game I've enjoyed. And I still think there's a lot of room to expand for new mechanics, new ships... it would be premature to discontinue it at this point.

It would be the worst kind of travesty if “something big” turned out to be: your game is cancelled!

Personally i I don’t think that’s the plan but in the same breath like I said it doesn’t matter. This game has 2 sides... this fundamentally means that a pretty constant stream of updates, units, events, tweaks etc need to exist to keep it interesting. That hasn’t happened so those who aren’t as committed as some of us have simply moved on to whatever the newest shiny thing is.

Xwing functions because if that stream if new content. 40k has lasted because of the endless supply of army combinations for your battles and a constant stream of tweaks and changes over time, even though a space marine has been a space marine for 20+ years.

Armada has never managed to get that critical mass of new toys etc coming and that is entirely on FFG. Honestly the community support for this game has been one of the best I’ve ever been involved in and I’m consistently amazed at the community support.

If this is the end for this game, new wave or not I think the players should be proud at their engagement and positively. Except admiral Nelson. **** that guy.

As I wrote elsewhere, Armada is the only Star Wars product from FFG without a single new item in the upcoming products page.

10 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

To be fair, IA had roughly a 6 month gap between release of HotE and the announcement for Tyrants.

We are on what? Month 4? 5?

last announcement was end of August 2017.

1 hour ago, NebulonB said:

last announcement was end of August 2017.

Yes, but his measure was from RELEASE to Announcement, which is instead January until Now. ?

We have had product released this year and we are only half way though the year.

We are not going to get new product at the same rate as Xwing never have never will, and frankly that's a good thing look how well that's gone Xwing needs a new Ed and we have to rebuy or convert at considerable expense.

FFG have never been inclined to give "we are sorry that we are keeping you waiting but we are working on something" the closest they have come was the "Something Big" comment that didn't exactly have the effect of reassuring you either since we haven't had the Something Big yet since we were told that was not the last wave.

What we have is a general lack of previews for a product that we will not have in our hands for several months THAT IS ALL.

If the lack of speculation about new shiny is enough to make people stop playing with what they have sorry to hear that but that was inevitable.

And if your store has stopped selling Armada because some one on the internet told them it was dead sorry to hear that too but if that's the case it is surprising they ever stocked it in the first place, also feel sorry for you if your store are cynically just going to push what ever the new thing they have in stock and will lie though their teeth to do so.

Sorry to hear that your local scene is dead (but I doubt everyone that has stopped playing has sold everything and will never play Armada again because there are no rumours) if you didn't go to tournaments and no one turned up is it a surprise that the store stopped ordering them?

The fact remains FFG are continuing to sell Armada products because they reprint them and the reprints sell out, they continue to support Organised Play, your mileage may vary depending on your country and the local distributor but that's true of all FFG OPs.

FFG don't handle this well but they never have, and suddenly expecting them to do exactly as you please is only setting yourself for disappointment.

Armada isn't dead, its in the same slow Sloth like state that its always been.

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Yes, but his measure was from RELEASE to Announcement, which is instead January until Now. ?

thats true.

On 6/12/2018 at 9:44 AM, TallGiraffe said:

Ever try Empire at war? Especially with mods?

Actually a few members here suggested the game as well, I will download the game once on holidays

3 hours ago, LostFleet said:

Actually a few members here suggested the game as well, I will download the game once on holidays

I am one of them, modding is pretty easy, that said the modding community at this point is kinda scattered to the four winds. We used to have a thriving site, that one day vanished.

On 6/13/2018 at 4:29 AM, Pwmf said:

We have had product released this year and we are only half way though the year.

We are not going to get new product at the same rate as Xwing never have never will, and frankly that's a good thing look how well that's gone Xwing needs a new Ed and we have to rebuy or convert at considerable expense.

FFG have never been inclined to give "we are sorry that we are keeping you waiting but we are working on something" the closest they have come was the "Something Big" comment that didn't exactly have the effect of reassuring you either since we haven't had the Something Big yet since we were told that was not the last wave.

What we have is a general lack of previews for a product that we will not have in our hands for several months THAT IS ALL.

If the lack of speculation about new shiny is enough to make people stop playing with what they have sorry to hear that but that was inevitable.

And if your store has stopped selling Armada because some one on the internet told them it was dead sorry to hear that too but if that's the case it is surprising they ever stocked it in the first place, also feel sorry for you if your store are cynically just going to push what ever the new thing they have in stock and will lie though their teeth to do so.

Sorry to hear that your local scene is dead (but I doubt everyone that has stopped playing has sold everything and will never play Armada again because there are no rumours) if you didn't go to tournaments and no one turned up is it a surprise that the store stopped ordering them?

The fact remains FFG are continuing to sell Armada products because they reprint them and the reprints sell out, they continue to support Organised Play, your mileage may vary depending on your country and the local distributor but that's true of all FFG OPs.

FFG don't handle this well but they never have, and suddenly expecting them to do exactly as you please is only setting yourself for disappointment.

Armada isn't dead, its in the same slow Sloth like state that its always been.

Ummmm...thanks for being sorry? I think? My sarcasm detector is broken. ?

Just a thought maybe they've been working on a design for the Starhawk?