Ok so something has been confusing me after the recent release of Lando's Falcon, they said it would be released along with wave 1 and it includes a faction-less card (rigged cargo shoot) an illicit for medium and large base ships, now we've already had the rebel kit mostly spoiled but didn't see rigged cargo shoot in it, however ffg stated that the YTs would have an illicit slot like their title gave them in 1.0 but baked in. I was under the impression that ffg was making all faction-less upgrades available without buying other faction ships, so that players can focus on one faction and not have to buy other factions just for upgrades, however if the rebel conversion kit does not contain rigged cargo shoot, which admittedly it might if it was missed in the spoil, then would this not be going against their statement? Perhaps they will release it for rebels in another wave? I'm not sure how to feel about this. There was already the Maul upgrade card which was a little bothersome but was technically mostly a scum upgrade except for Ezra but this one is just straight up an upgrade card that rebels can equip. Am I wrong that ffg was planning on making the factions like this or have I missed something? Not trying to put down 2.0, just confused by this.

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6 minutes ago, agenttherock said:

Ok so something has been confusing me after the recent release of Lando's Falcon, they said it would be released along with wave 1 and it includes a faction-less card (rigged cargo shoot) an illicit for medium and large base ships, now we've already had the rebel kit mostly spoiled but didn't see rigged cargo shoot in it, however ffg stated that the YTs would have an illicit slot like their title gave them in 1.0 but baked in. I was under the impression that ffg was making all faction-less upgrades available without buying other faction ships, so that players can focus on one faction and not have to buy other factions just for upgrades, however if the rebel conversion kit does not contain rigged cargo shoot, which admittedly it might if it was missed in the spoil, then would this not be going against their statement? Perhaps they will release it for rebels in another wave? I'm not sure how to feel about this. There was already the Maul upgrade card which was a little bothersome but was technically mostly a scum upgrade except for Ezra but this one is just straight up an upgrade card that rebels can equip. Am I wrong that ffg was planning on making the factions like this or have I missed something? Not trying to put down 2.0, just confused by this.

The Rebel kit comes with 2 copies of it.

They said the faction would get it but might not get it in that wave... so you might have to wait for a latter rebel wave that has it. (i think they said within one wave but that might be reaching on the part of my memory)

This makes sense to me, as it would be weird to toss in the turret upgrades that come with a new scum ship with a rebel none turreted ship, as long as the rebels get it with there next turreted ship i am good with that.

There is not a really clean way to do it without increasing costs and selling upgrades with ships that cant take them, as long as they stick to giving all the factions the available upgrades when they are able to that should be enough. (I know it wont be for people on these forums, there will be **** to pay for this).

6 minutes ago, agenttherock said:

Perhaps they will release it for rebels in another wave?

This.

FFG never said factionless upgrades would be available all at once for each faction. They simply said factionless upgrades won't only be available from a single faction i.e. you won't have to buy a scum expansion to get a factionless upgrade for Rebels e.g. Mangler cannon only being available from M3A or IG-2000.

So Rigged Cargo chute will be available through Scum in Wave 1. It may not be in a Rebel upgrade pack until Wave 4. (At least this is how I understood it.)

In reality (according to how I understand it), if you want something as soon as it comes out you are going to have to buy other factions - making FFG's claims semi-moot.

I’ve thought since day one that it was an impossible goal to actually meet. If their intention is that such cards will get released in other factions expansion packs in future waves, well, that is no different than 1.0.

Just now, Forgottenlore said:

I’ve thought since day one that it was an impossible goal to actually meet. If their intention is that such cards will get released in other factions expansion packs in future waves, well, that is no different than 1.0.

Well its really not, as long as they release them for other faction when they can.

they had lots of options to release autothrusters for other factions in 1.0 but they didn't, hopefully 2.0 will put an end to that and we will get the upgrades at the soonest possible time based on what new ships can take them.

I have a scum player friend who does not own Push the limit..... no chance for him ever to get it he almost bought an a-wing for it. 2.0 should put an end to that, you may not have it on day one of its release but you should get it eventually.

2 minutes ago, Icelom said:

Well its really not, as long as they release them for other faction when they can.

they had lots of options to release autothrusters for other factions in 1.0 but they didn't, hopefully 2.0 will put an end to that and we will get the upgrades at the soonest possible time based on what new ships can take them.

I have a scum player friend who does not own Push the limit..... no chance for him ever to get it he almost bought an a-wing for it. 2.0 should put an end to that, you may not have it on day one of its release but you should get it eventually.

Ok yeah that makes some sense, hopefully that's the case because I was a little worried it might get to that point with PTL and Autothrusters and all the others, but if you just have to wait a bit it's not the end of the world

Just now, Forgottenlore said:

I’ve thought since day one that it was an impossible goal to actually meet. If their intention is that such cards will get released in other factions expansion packs in future waves, well, that is no different than 1.0.

it is a bit different. Flechette and Mangler cannons were only available through Scum. Harpoons were only available through Scum.

Realistically, if factionless upgrades don't come to all factions very quickly then mechanically it is no different. Authothrusters for example: Available only through Starviper from wave 6 were factionless but didn't come to Imperials until TIE Silencer in wave 13. Rebels never got an expansion that had them.

9 minutes ago, Innese said:

The Rebel kit comes with 2 copies of it.

Oh I hadn't seen that spoiled, was that in the official unboxing or the leak?

Two come in the conversion, and for those who do not have anything to convert, it doesn't matter if it only comes in a scum pack right now, because the rebels do not have any wave one ships that can equip it, and I think it comes in Saw's.

Just now, GLEXOR said:

Two come in the conversion, and for those who do not have anything to convert, it doesn't matter if it only comes in a scum pack right now, because the rebels do not have any wave one ships that can equip it, and I think it comes in Saw's.

You don't think the YTs will be able to equip it?

Or are you just talking wave 1 ships from 2e?

12 minutes ago, Innese said:

The Rebel kit comes with 2 copies of it.

it does?! two tokens too?

1 minute ago, GLEXOR said:

Two come in the conversion, and for those who do not have anything to convert, it doesn't matter if it only comes in a scum pack right now, because the rebels do not have any wave one ships that can equip it, and I think it comes in Saw's.

True, that works, I must have missed it when I went through the conversion kit unboxing/leak, as the first time I remembered seeing it was in the Lando's falcon article, my mistake

6 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

it does?! two tokens too?

Just looked it up again and I see it in the leaked cards so it looks like it's all good

5 minutes ago, Skitchx said:

You don't think the YTs will be able to equip it?

Or are you just talking wave 1 ships from 2e?

I am talking about wave one of 2.0 (X-wing and y-wing).

11 minutes ago, Icelom said:

Well its really not, as long as they release them for other faction when they can.

they had lots of options to release autothrusters for other factions in 1.0 but they didn't, hopefully 2.0 will put an end to that and we will get the upgrades at the soonest possible time based on what new ships can take them.

I have a scum player friend who does not own Push the limit..... no chance for him ever to get it he almost bought an a-wing for it. 2.0 should put an end to that, you may not have it on day one of its release but you should get it eventually.

It’s exactly the same.

Even if Autothrusters released the very next wave in Imperial and/or Rebel ships (and the Punisher totally could have come with it) it was still a must have upgrade in a single ship that was necessary to fly other ships in a different faction for an entire wave. By the time it released in the next wave (assuming it had come in the Punisher which it didn’t) then players that needed it for their interceptors or A-Wings would have already bought it out of faction.

They have to be released to all factions at the same time for it to make any kind of difference.

Just now, DodgingArcs said:

They have to be released to all factions at the same time for it to make any kind of difference.

Yep. We'll have to see how they handle it so their claim is actually meaningful.

2 minutes ago, Skitchx said:

Yep. We'll have to see how they handle it so their claim is actually meaningful.

I know the cards is kind of their thing and it makes for a great casual experience and gives them something they can swagify with alt arts but I do kind of wish they had done away with them completely for tournament play.

If you can print it from the app you can play it would have been much much better.

Basically, they said it would be like Legion. For those not familiar with it, despite kind of trying to say legion releases in waves, it's more like it releases and announces in batches every month or so - both factions don't always get a release in a month, but often contain comparable upgrades. So General Veers and Snowtroopers contained the same generic upgrades as Leia and Fleet Troopers, but the imperial set of releases was about a month earlier (not that it mattered too much for the troopers, they had the same upgrades that the standalone Storm and Rebel trooper packs had in the launch batch).

Given obviously they need to adapt releases to ships there may be some gaps, but the concept should be similar. If a new upgrade appears for one faction and isn't locked to them it'll eventually filter out over probably the next couple of waves, unless FFG is really weird with how the ships are spread out. But as noted, it might also be that there's not necessarily an xpack that makes use of it already in the system. In the Wave 1 only format, only one Rebel ship can use Rigged Cargo Chute - and that's a very specific weird example. If Imperials re-release Gunboat fast to get Advanced SLAM in a pack (not conversion kits) it's only natural rebels wont get it until the K-Wing. The notoriously rare upgrades were usually fixes for ships in general, which presumably 2E will not need. You shouldn't need autothrusters to suddenly counter the turret menace, the cost values and upgrade options of the ships involved would just get adjusted until they seem more balanced out. There should not be a need for a "killer app" upgrade to counteract a type of play style or ship style or make an archetype which isn't useful useful again. There would be no need for Harpoons, they could just make Concs cost a couple points less, in this analogy. Also supposedly they're working on something like the conversion kit so you don't have to buy extra minis you won't use, which depending on their format may also mean you don't need to buy "out of faction" per say but that's something they haven't really elaborated on at all.

3 minutes ago, DodgingArcs said:

It’s exactly the same.

Even if Autothrusters released the very next wave in Imperial and/or Rebel ships (and the Punisher totally could have come with it) it was still a must have upgrade in a single ship that was necessary to fly other ships in a different faction for an entire wave. By the time it released in the next wave (assuming it had come in the Punisher which it didn’t) then players that needed it for their interceptors or A-Wings would have already bought it out of faction.

They have to be released to all factions at the same time for it to make any kind of difference.

No. They only need to release it once that faction has a ship that can equip it.

If the YT-1300 and YT-2400 no longer get an Illicit slot, then there is no longer a need to have the Chute in the Rebel Conversion pack. If the Rebels do get a large or medium ship with an Illicit slot, then it should come with that expansion.

I'm not really looking at the U-Wing here, as non-Saw variant doesn't have an Illicit slot. The one in Saw's Partisans does, but Wave 14 are basically their own conversion kits and are not going to be reproduced in the Rebel kit. One could argue that you might need a second copy of the upgrade in Saw's Renegades to use with both ship tokens that come in the pack at the same time, but that's about it.

There's also an issue with Maul, as he's apparently only in the Scum kit, and which may cause issues with Dark Side upgrades not coming to Rebels, but we'll see how that works out.

I’m expecting that at least some, if not all, YTs will get an Illicit slot built in. Smuggling Compartments was a way to give 2 ships released before Illicits were a thing, but probably should of had them.

I'm just looking around like, "Am I the only one here who bought Autothrusters on Ebay?"

6 hours ago, StriderZessei said:

I'm just looking around like, "Am I the only one here who bought Autothrusters on Ebay?"

And push the limits ?

8 hours ago, StriderZessei said:

I'm just looking around like, "Am I the only one here who bought Autothrusters on Ebay?"

The starviper expansion is why I quit x wing. I came back around the time of the FO Silencer release. So I never bought one either.