5 hours ago, Orkimedes said:

Well, even if they just did a ball joint at the head and a flat joint at the shoulder, that would make a pretty big difference in options. I don't think that would be too hard conceptually, but maybe it doesn't cast easily with the resin/plastic mix they chose.

What it would do is completely kill the pseudo-snapfit quality of the current models.
These are very easy to assemble. More posable miniatures wouldn't be.

I think FFG are going for "easy to pick up and start playing" over facilitating conversions and variety.

53 minutes ago, aniron said:

What it would do is completely kill the pseudo-snapfit quality of the current models.
These are very easy to assemble. More posable miniatures wouldn't be.

I think FFG are going for "easy to pick up and start playing" over facilitating conversions and variety.

For the starter, that's a good idea. For the expansions, perhaps not so much. Hopefully they can find a happy medium, where you can keep the ease of assembly for those new to miniatures wargaming, while giving those of us that are more experienced (or want more variety in our squads) the options to have multi fit models without needing green stuff and a scalpel.

Cool bases, but since I'm doing a endor theme I'm not interested. I hope they will sell normal bases as well for conversions and objectives

These should have been released with the core set. For me this is too late as I have build, based and started painting and would not like to rip a lot of perfectly good bases off. Also I have a Hoth paint scheme.

Let me know when they have clear ones.

3 hours ago, DamianR said:

For the starter, that's a good idea. For the expansions, perhaps not so much. Hopefully they can find a happy medium, where you can keep the ease of assembly for those new to miniatures wargaming, while giving those of us that are more experienced (or want more variety in our squads) the options to have multi fit models without needing green stuff and a scalpel.

Except the starter doesn't have enough units innately to field a complete army. So a new person starts, assembles their starter, and in your suggestion has to immediately jump into multi-fit models. Warmahordes models are all single pose, Infinity's models are all single pose metals, GW has been releasing push fit and/or single pose plastics lately (and not just in starters), and I'm sure there are other infantry based miniature games where customization is only possible with a knife, jewelers saw, greenstuff, and bits from other sources.

Also, the single pose nature of their models does not seem to have impacted sales significantly. Did you refuse to buy more minis because they weren't completely customizable? At least with Star Wars, the equipment from similarly sized WW2 miniatures fits right into the aesthetic.

Edit: This is not to imply that I wasn't a bit disheartened to learn the models were single pose when that was initially revealed, but I get it. Lots of companies are moving their models towards the single to very limited set of poses designs, rather than the other way around. The models can be more detailed when the sculptor KNOWS how an arm is going to fit, he can bunch up fabric behind it, or put a pauldron on the shoulder that requires a specific angle to fit on the torso.

The arc lines on the larger bases are very hard tobsee. No good.

Indoor textures? I don't get these products.

12 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Except the starter doesn't have enough units innately to field a complete army. So a new person starts, assembles their starter, and in your suggestion has to immediately jump into multi-fit models. Warmahordes models are all single pose, Infinity's models are all single pose metals, GW has been releasing push fit and/or single pose plastics lately (and not just in starters), and I'm sure there are other infantry based miniature games where customization is only possible with a knife, jewelers saw, greenstuff, and bits from other sources.

Also, the single pose nature of their models does not seem to have impacted sales significantly. Did you refuse to buy more minis because they weren't completely customizable? At least with Star Wars, the equipment from similarly sized WW2 miniatures fits right into the aesthetic.

Edit: This is not to imply that I wasn't a bit disheartened to learn the models were single pose when that was initially revealed, but I get it. Lots of companies are moving their models towards the single to very limited set of poses designs, rather than the other way around. The models can be more detailed when the sculptor KNOWS how an arm is going to fit, he can bunch up fabric behind it, or put a pauldron on the shoulder that requires a specific angle to fit on the torso.

I didn't refuse to buy them, but I did delay getting into Legion because of it. And I know of a few wargamers that didn't buy into Legion because of the fairly basic figures (compared to GW of even a decade ago).

Right now, we're at the bottom end of the range, while metal infinity models are at the top. Like I said, it would be nice if they can find a happy medium. Even just the ability to have arms fit a couple of models without a ton of work isn't a huge ask in these days of digital sculpting. Ball joints rather than keyed to fit, small quality of life things like that. GW Tactical Marines from the 00's or Cadians of a similar era for example.

These can easily be transformed into snow, sand, etc... bases with some metal ruins popping through.... I like them a lot because they very coincidentally go with part of my theme.... I am doing Edor, but I also plan on doing some modeling of a CR90 interior and this will go with my fleet, VAder, some troopers and Leia. (hopefully we will get Leia in a dress)

1 hour ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Except the starter doesn't have enough units innately to field a complete army. So a new person starts, assembles their starter, and in your suggestion has to immediately jump into multi-fit models. Warmahordes models are all single pose, Infinity's models are all single pose metals, GW has been releasing push fit and/or single pose plastics lately (and not just in starters), and I'm sure there are other infantry based miniature games where customization is only possible with a knife, jewelers saw, greenstuff, and bits from other sources.

Also, the single pose nature of their models does not seem to have impacted sales significantly. Did you refuse to buy more minis because they weren't completely customizable? At least with Star Wars, the equipment from similarly sized WW2 miniatures fits right into the aesthetic.

Edit: This is not to imply that I wasn't a bit disheartened to learn the models were single pose when that was initially revealed, but I get it. Lots of companies are moving their models towards the single to very limited set of poses designs, rather than the other way around. The models can be more detailed when the sculptor KNOWS how an arm is going to fit, he can bunch up fabric behind it, or put a pauldron on the shoulder that requires a specific angle to fit on the torso.

There is definitely a market for stuff that is easier to assemble vs. customization. It's about striking that balance, I suppose.

Even for the easy-to-build GW kits though, there are still full versions of those same models that you can buy if you want to do the extra customization. The "easy-to-build" kits they have are alternatives to their existing, more comprehensive kits rather than the only option for a given unit or model.

1 hour ago, Thraug said:

The arc lines on the larger bases are very hard tobsee. No good.

I thought the firing arcs also were a little odd, to me basically says if you can see them in the edge of it your good. These are official bases and most of the Firing Arc is gone.

Just thinking of this now, they basically look like deck-plates or interior flooring, what business does a T-47 have being on one of those bases?

I could print better bases myself. The theme is uber constrictive. Maybe they just wanted to make something that we NEVER going to need to be reprinted?

2 hours ago, Orkimedes said:

There is definitely a market for stuff that is easier to assemble vs. customization. It's about striking that balance, I suppose.

Even for the easy-to-build GW kits though, there are still full versions of those same models that you can buy if you want to do the extra customization. The "easy-to-build" kits they have are alternatives to their existing, more comprehensive kits rather than the only option for a given unit or model.

Besides the pushfits, GW has also been releasing highly detailed plastic kits of single models (mostly command models I believe Edit: Just remembered about the chaos cultist models) that are single pose, such as the Librarians, commissar, and tech-priest. Yes, some of them have different weapons on the sprue in order to help with WYSISYG, but for the most part changing the weapon doesn't change the pose, just what pistol or sword is being held at that particular angle. Different rifles or blades are not really a concern in Legion, you can't pick a different default weapon anyway. The alternatives to those 40k models are third party sellers, single pose metal or resin minis, or converting from some other kit. All of which are theoretically possible in Legion.

Heck, I'm tempted to try to pick up a spare Leia and convert to a Twi-lek or Rodian just for some variance in commander. I'm already planning on painting just about every "human" in my Rebel army as some near human race with a different skin color.

Those of use that want to convert (I am in that number, heck I have a WW2 Finnish army that is almost entirely converted plastics), will have to continue to make due with cutting up difficult to replace models (since the secondary market doesn't seem to have individual models for sale just yet), third party parts manufacturers, and Star Wars esque bits. As I previously mentioned, I'm in a good place for converting backpacks and the like with the partially used WW2 sprues.

Yeah, unfortunately GW has been going very monopose with their kits these last few years. In the past the multi-pose nature of their kits (and easy conversions with other kits) was the primary justification I had for both using and recommending them. They're very high quality casts still, for sure, but I really dislike the monopose thing they've gone to.

On 6/7/2018 at 8:37 PM, Chucknuckle said:

https://www.sarissa-precision.com/Star_Wars__Legion/cat1603369_4191636.aspx

https://www.battlekiwi.com/product-category/bases/legion-bases/

OR just do that Thanks!

Love the new bases. Will be basing my Imperials on them with small amount of flocking to denote the theme of the troops.

The theme of these bases will make a lot more sense when FFG reveals their new Imperial Base game mats. ?