Just now, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Remember "the force is strong with this one?"

I would say that Vader sensed Obi-Wan himself not so much Obi-Wan's force "signature" if you will.

You're referring to the line that Vader said towards the end of the movie, when Luke was alone in his X-Wing (both of his wingmen were out of the picture) and was actively reaching out with the Force. Obi-Wan was merely a muted presence in the Force at that point, and was doing nothing more than coaching Luke from beyond the pale.

18 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Why do you assume he felt Luke when he clearly says he felt something he hasnt felt in a long time. He felt ben not luke. He never felt luke.

He never felt Leïa, too. And she's Force Sensitive like her brother and her father.

I think the capacity for someone Force Sensitive to "feel" another Force Sensitive being depends of the needs of the story. When the story needs Vader to feel Ben in ANH, he does and recognizes him. When the story needs Kanan and Ezrah to almost feel each other, that what happens. And so on...

That's how I proceed in my current F&D game. If the characters, all Force Users, need to feel if there's someone Force Sensitive / User in the vicinity, I tell them without any other indications than "You feel some disturbance in the Force". They can achieve the same result with a simple Discipline check. It's advantages / threats that dictates how much information the character obtain.

1 minute ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

You're referring to the line that Vader said towards the end of the movie, when Luke was alone in his X-Wing (both of his wingmen were out of the picture) and was actively reaching out with the Force. Obi-Wan was merely a muted presence in the Force at that point, and was doing nothing more than coaching Luke from beyond the pale.

I know, but I was saying that he did sense Luke. He passively sensed the force when Luke used it. Hence, "the force is strong with this one."

@Donovan Morningfire , @Daeglan

No, I'm not wrong, he didn't detect Luke because Luke wasn't close enough, nor powerful in the Force - he'd be hard to detect. As you go on to point out it's hard even for Jedi whose job it is to find young Force Users to do so. And as I said, it's still an "active use" thing, just not a Force Power check. And Leia didn't even have a Force Rating at all yet, she hadn't went into a Force Spec, so no surprise he (nor Luke) wouldn't detect her.

And Ben has Shroud, but he of course only had so many Destiny Points to flip, which is why it took Vader some time.

Your point about untrained Force Users is fair, but only undermines a flippant comment I made to try and give a picture of the overlying fluff. Does nothing to undermine the actual approach or mechanics.

As I said, detecting disturbances (and the other examples) may require a check to notice, and too bad Luke and Rey must have failed theirs, huh? Or maybe the GM determined they didn't even get the opportunity to make a roll. Luke was pretty focused on training at the time, I believe.

But what is your point here anyway? Are you saying you would require a Sense Power check to sense a disturbance in the Force? That's absurd. You think Ben just happened to be checking on Alderaan, or "the state of the Force" with Sense at that time? No. My point still stands. You're trying to take down the wrong statement. There are lots of things PCs can do that don't require Force Power checks, and sensing disturbances is absolutely one of them.

RE: holocrons, all you've done with your ramble on this is proven my point (again): there are lots of narrative things you can do with the Force that don't require a Force Power check. Fluff it however you like.

You are using suppositions, just as surely as I am. That's what has to happen when we have canon that we must put mechanics too.

But what your supposition does is make it so that a Force Sensitive would potentially have to use the Darkside to do any of these things we're talking about. And you know what that does? That puts up a narrative wall, in play if your players aren't the types to suffer Conflict.

We've been doing it this way from the start, and I'm baffled by what you can possibly perceive about it that is so unbalancing or disruptive. It actually let's you as GM do some pretty cool stuff with your campaign, and your Force Users to feel a little special now and again.

4 hours ago, emsquared said:

@Donovan Morningfire , @Daeglan

No, I'm not wrong, he didn't detect Luke because Luke wasn't close enough, nor powerful in the Force - he'd be hard to detect. As you go on to point out it's hard even for Jedi whose job it is to find young Force Users to do so. And as I said, it's still an "active use" thing, just not a Force Power check. And Leia didn't even have a Force Rating at all yet, she hadn't went into a Force Spec, so no surprise he (nor Luke) wouldn't detect her.

And Ben has Shroud, but he of course only had so many Destiny Points to flip, which is why it took Vader some time.

Your point about untrained Force Users is fair, but only undermines a flippant comment I made to try and give a picture of the overlying fluff. Does nothing to undermine the actual approach or mechanics.

As I said, detecting disturbances (and the other examples) may require a check to notice, and too bad Luke and Rey must have failed theirs, huh? Or maybe the GM determined they didn't even get the opportunity to make a roll. Luke was pretty focused on training at the time, I believe.

But what is your point here anyway? Are you saying you would require a Sense Power check to sense a disturbance in the Force? That's absurd. You think Ben just happened to be checking on Alderaan, or "the state of the Force" with Sense at that time? No. My point still stands. You're trying to take down the wrong statement. There are lots of things PCs can do that don't require Force Power checks, and sensing disturbances is absolutely one of them.

RE: holocrons, all you've done with your ramble on this is proven my point (again): there are lots of narrative things you can do with the Force that don't require a Force Power check. Fluff it however you like.

You are using suppositions, just as surely as I am. That's what has to happen when we have canon that we must put mechanics too.

But what your supposition does is make it so that a Force Sensitive would potentially have to use the Darkside to do any of these things we're talking about. And you know what that does? That puts up a narrative wall, in play if your players aren't the types to suffer Conflict.

We've been doing it this way from the start, and I'm baffled by what you can possibly perceive about it that is so unbalancing or disruptive. It actually let's you as GM do some pretty cool stuff with your campaign, and your Force Users to feel a little special now and again.

I see no evidence at all Ben had shroud. He sensed Ben on the Falcon. He sensed ben enough to put himself in Ben's path to the Falcon.

He either used influence or misdirect to distract the stormtroopers and move around the deathstar. I am thinking misdirect.