Evening guys!
My first question is about the upcoming Unicorn weenie the Sneaky Shinjo.When you pass and put it in play you should pay for it or not? (as we see irl at Birmingham we see it was free,but not 100%)
My second question is about the new Lion Stronghold.If the criteria is met you get a 3rd conflict or just two military one? (I guess a third one makes more sense)
Thanks for the answers.
Cheers,Leenath
16 hours ago, Leenath Purple Hope said:Evening guys!
My first question is about the upcoming Unicorn weenie the Sneaky Shinjo.When you pass and put it in play you should pay for it or not? (as we see irl at Birmingham we see it was free,but not 100%)
My second question is about the new Lion Stronghold.If the criteria is met you get a 3rd conflict or just two military one? (I guess a third one makes more sense)
Thanks for the answers.
Cheers,Leenath
The card says "play", not "put into play", so you pay the cost and can put fate on it. Though I had heard that it was played the opposite in Birmingham.
I misread something, or we got a different ruling, but they are here:
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39804-ruling-hisu-mori-toride-kudaka/
Edited by Mirith1 hour ago, Mirith said:The card says "play", not "put into play", so you pay the cost and can put fate on it. Though I had heard that it was played the opposite in Birmingham.
Dev ruling on the latter is that you get a 3rd Conflict, which is military, but only after your first 2 conflicts.
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39804-ruling-hisu-mori-toride-kudaka/
Where are you getting that the extra Military must be after the other. I see the ruling lists it as Mil, Pol and additional Mil but I'm just seeing that as the example they were giving and not a fast rule about timing. After all you could run Pol as your first conflict.
1 hour ago, Mirith said:Dev ruling on the latter is that you get a 3rd Conflict, which is military, but only after your first 2 conflicts.
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39804-ruling-hisu-mori-toride-kudaka/
From that same link:
“ You may declare your additional Military conflict at any point you could normally declare a conflict — it’s not forced to wait until after your normal two conflicts have been declared/passed.”
27 minutes ago, Tabris2k said:From that same link:
“ You may declare your additional Military conflict at any point you could normally declare a conflict — it’s not forced to wait until after your normal two conflicts have been declared/passed.”
To clarify: You can declare Military - Military - Political, or Political - Military - Military, or Military - Political - Military.
To further clarify. You could also pass on any of your conflict opportunities as well. The effect states you "may declare" so you aren't required to even use the additional military conflict.
Thanks guys.
Any official wording on Sneaki Shinjo then?
On 6/6/2018 at 5:18 PM, Mirith said:The card says "play", not "put into play", so you pay the cost and can put fate on it.
Rules: "In order to play a card, its fate cost (after modifiers) must be paid."
So, when you pass, you may take their reactions to play them (not put them into play ), which includes paying costs and, because this is Dynasty, putting fate on them. Shouldn't need anything more official than that.
3 minutes ago, twinstarbmc said:Rules: "In order to play a card, its fate cost (after modifiers) must be paid."
So, when you pass, you may take their reactions to play them (not put them into play ), which includes paying costs and, because this is Dynasty, putting fate on them. Shouldn't need anything more official than that.
Yep, thus why we think Brad played it wrong.
Thats why I was confused hard.
It's essentially something to help you get more value out of Shinjo Scout
Pass first, get that extra fate, pay for Sneaky Shinjo
getting 3 mil, 2 pol across two characters for 2 net fate is decent
At the very least you get to pass first to deny your opponent the extra fate and immediately turn it into a body on the board
4 minutes ago, Mirith said:Yep, thus why we think Brad played it wrong.
Entirely possible
could also be a version from playtesting that may yet receive updated text before it goes to final print?
If it ended up being "put into play" it goes from ok to pretty darn good.
Edited by Ishi Tonu
It was the final version of the card and it was irl. Maybe he just got it wrong and we are making a big deal about it
Fricken Brad...........stop playing games and get back to work!
Oh, now I see why they thought Unicorn was too OP before launch.
Brad: “Hey guys, I playtested the Uni SH and is too powerful. This clan’s gonna rock!”
Intern n.1: “Uh, Brad, you’re actually moving people in and out of conflicts with the SH multiple times per turn... also, Way of the Unicorn doesn’t work like that, you cannot steal the Second Player Fate”
Brad: “Hold on a moment... *calls HR* Yeah, I want you to fire Intern n.1. Right now”
Intern n.2: “Uhhh... wonderfully designed cards, Mr. Andres! No problem with them! Ready for release!”
34 minutes ago, Tabris2k said:Oh, now I see why they thought Unicorn was too OP before launch.
Brad: “Hey guys, I playtested the Uni SH and is too powerful. This clan’s gonna rock!”
Intern n.1: “Uh, Brad, you’re actually moving people in and out of conflicts with the SH multiple times per turn... also, Way of the Unicorn doesn’t work like that, you cannot steal the Second Player Fate”
Brad: “Hold on a moment... *calls HR* Yeah, I want you to fire Intern n.1. Right now”
Intern n.2: “Uhhh... wonderfully designed cards, Mr. Andres! No problem with them! Ready for release!”
And that is how he got promoted to designer!
Joking aside, I have to imagine it is hard to keep all the versions of your own cards straight.
6 hours ago, Mirith said:Joking aside, I have to imagine it is hard to keep all the versions of your own cards straight.
That should not have been an issue for someone in his position.
Yes I’m being critical here, but come on; he’s not running a multi-national corporation with no mid-management support.
8 hours ago, LordBlunt said:That should not have been an issue for someone in his position.
Yes I’m being critical here, but come on; he’s not running a multi-national corporation with no mid-management support.
How does mid-management come into whether you can separate X number of different versions of a card apart before official release? We do not even know the average value for X.
A saying that is common at my house "Read your cards! "