Hondo - Token Overspill

By Mad Cat, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

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If Hondo gives a token to an enemy ship that is currently full of command tokens, who gets to decide which to keep or which to discard?

Example. Imperials have bought Hondo and give a BT armed Avenger a Squadron token for obvious dastardly reasons. Avenger now has three tokens - Squadron, Repair, CF. The imperials then give a CF token to say a raider. The rebel player then must give a Nav and Repair to 2 ships. If Avenger is now full up on 3 tokens could the Rebel player use Hondo to give the Nav to Avenger and discard one other token - guess what, the squadron token! No activating Boarding troopers this turn.

We played it that if there were no ships that could get a token, the token was discarded.

The owner of the ship gets to choice which token is kept as per the QSR (IIRC) where it says if you have more tokens than command then discard one

@slasher956 is correct. Whenever a ship has more command tokens than it can hold, its owner must immediately choose which ones are kept and which are discarded.

7 hours ago, slasher956 said:

The owner of the ship gets to choice which token is kept as per the QSR (IIRC) where it says if you have more tokens than command then discard one

Yup.

7 hours ago, modise said:

We played it that if there were no ships that could get a token, the token was discarded.

Check the wording on Hondo:

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" 2 different ships"

Not " 2 different friendly ships ."

If you only have 1 ship when Hondo is triggered, your second token goes on an opponent's ship (of your choice).

As for a ship being ineligible to gain a token--the command value limit never prevents a ship from gaining a token. It just has to immediately discard one if the ship ever exceeds its command value in tokens (as @slasher956 and @Snipafist pointed out).

Which of course means that there is no case where Hondo “fails”, as at the start of the ship phase when he triggers, there is two ships on the table at a minimum - one of yours and one of theirs...

... okay, maybe you could try to push a case where with just one ship left you just killed the last enemy ship with Ion and/or Han, and THEN we’re truggering Hondo... but why? You just Tabled your opponent...

... i guess thevwhy might be wanting to stick a nav or engineering token so you survive until end of round...

... dammit, I keep finding loopholes.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Which of course means that there is no case where Hondo “fails”, as at the start of the ship phase when he triggers, there is two ships on the table at a minimum - one of yours and one of theirs...

... okay, maybe you could try to push a case where with just one ship left you just killed the last enemy ship with Ion and/or Han, and THEN we’re truggering Hondo... but why? You just Tabled your opponent...

... i guess thevwhy might be wanting to stick a nav or engineering token so you survive until end of round...

... dammit, I keep finding loopholes. 

Rieekan opponent looking for a squadron token? :)

So, this brings up a question. I play Hondo and place a squadron and CF token on my ships. My opponent has two ships that have maximum tokens, my opponent could theoretically place those tokens on their ships and then discard them, thereby not forcing my opponent to place the tokens on my ships. Just clarifying this situation. So, the only time that someone would place a token on an enemy ship is if they are down to one ship? Thanks for your thoughts.

Pretty much. Actually, they place those tokens on their ships that already have full tokens, then they discard their choice of token- so they could keep the token from Hondo if they want, or discard it.

2 hours ago, Odomir said:

Pretty much. Actually, they place those tokens on their ships that already have full tokens, then they discard their choice of token- so they could keep the token from Hondo if they want, or discard it.

You could always just choose to put the tokens you choose on enemy ships...

... just... why?

4 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You could always just choose to put the tokens you choose on enemy ships...

... just... why?

To confuse, you know? Kill their women, **** their horses, that will confuse them! :ph34r:

NOTE: where is that quote from? I could write it wrong but I only knew it in Spanish and it is said is from Monty Python's Holy Grail but it is not (or I don't remeber that film properly).

If its the original quote then its from Conan the Barbarian about the best thing in life: T o crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!