9 minutes ago, pkreynolds said:

This is something that they will need to make perfectly clear and 100% transparent during their AMA this week. I'm willing to give them the benefit of trust and buy into 2.0 after spending as much as I have on 1.0, along with the minimum $200 buy-in for 2.0, I don't want to get nickel and dimed for extra card purchases with every wave of re-releases. New cards not included in the conversion kits should be limited to new ship expansions only. No reason why they can't include one or two new ships per re-release wave.

You're asking them to have ALL of 2nd edition ready at once and let you buy the entire game for $200. That seems... unlikely. The story is that you will not need to rebuy ship models. Not that you get the entirety of 2nd Ed thrown in from day 1.

You have been happily nickel and diming along for a while now. This isn't all that different than before. Although the price point on the cardboard only packs is going to be tricky.

51 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Maybe you should read both parts of your post together, see if there is any connection.

There is, but it is disappointing to not see K2 added when he is a new film canon character when he is so very requested for the game. Especially when one of the pilots was one that could have more easily been dropped. Still, I guess it will just mean we will see that it will help push U-Wing expansions and the conversion bit for that wave's release.

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Welp there goes that last little shred of hope for K2SO

K2SO wasn't part of Saw's Renegades!!!

25 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

You're asking them to have ALL of 2nd edition ready at once and let you buy the entire game for $200. That seems... unlikely. The story is that you will not need to rebuy ship models. Not that you get the entirety of 2nd Ed thrown in from day 1.

You have been happily nickel and diming along for a while now. This isn't all that different than before. Although the price point on the cardboard only packs is going to be tricky.

No, I'm not asking them to have all of 2.0 ready at once. 2.0 is going to encompass a whole bunch of new ships that weren't part of 1.0. They've been working on 2.0 for a year or more. The release schedule for the re-issued 1.0 content will be "as aggressive as humanly possible." They know what pilots and upgrades will be included. There's almost certainly a whole lot of 2.0 re-release expansions in production right now.

I wasn't "nickel and dimed" for 1.0 content because it was new content. But as a casual player who has one or two of most 1.0 expansions, what I consider being nickel and dimed moving into 2.0 is being asked to spend more money for stuff that's being released in expansions I already bought once. Go back and listen to the way the conversion kits were described during the 2.0 announcement event. They very clearly make it sound as if the conversion kits include all pilots and upgrades that will be in the re-releases, and those kits have 150 or so upgrades so that doesn't seem like an unreasonable expectation. Also we need to keep in mind that 2.0 is going to follow the Legion upgrade strategy, which means that except for the faction-specific upgrades we're going to see a whole lot of repeat upgrades among expansions from a single wave. Which is a good thing, because single faction players won't have to buy outside their faction to get upgrades any more. So - fewer upgrades per wave.

Anyway, this will be the single biggest question out of the AMA that the designers need to answer with zero ambiguity.

30 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

K2SO wasn't part of Saw's Renegades!!!

No one cares!! We still want him included so we don’t have to wait for some pack that will debut who knows when.

1 hour ago, pkreynolds said:

This is something that they will need to make perfectly clear and 100% transparent during their AMA this week. I'm willing to give them the benefit of trust and buy into 2.0 after spending as much as I have on 1.0, along with the minimum $200 buy-in for 2.0, I don't want to get nickel and dimed for extra card purchases with every wave of re-releases. New cards not included in the conversion kits should be limited to new ship expansions only. No reason why they can't include one or two new ships per re-release wave.

I believe they've said that the current plan is to keep doing conversion packs for each wave.

1 minute ago, PhantomFO said:

I believe they've said that the current plan is to keep doing conversion packs for each wave.

They have said this over, and over, and over, and over, and over again on stream.

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

They have said this over, and over, and over, and over, and over again on stream.

There's still a lot of questions I have about this. Well OK, two: 1) how much is it 2) what's in the packs?

My guess: it will cost only slightly less than a small miniature (say, $15) and include cards for all factions in that wave. This kind of sucks for single-faction collectors, but I can't see them adding three new SKus for every wave.

I'm with pkreynolds: it sucks being nickel and dimed on this, but I won't complain too loudly if the price is reasonable. I'm not convinced it will be. I'm not even convinced it will happen. They may just add extra cards in every expansion pack. So if you buy an a-wing, you get enough extra generics and upgrades to cover a few more a-wings you may have converted over in the conversion kit.

7 hours ago, Boba Rick said:

The 1.0 Norra is now the 2.0 Sharra, and with action efficiency at a premium in 2.0 you're going to see a lot of Sharra with Saw on board.

I doubt ARC-170 in 2.0 has a crew slot. Just gunner slot probably.

1 hour ago, period3 said:

They may just add extra cards in every expansion pack. So if you buy an a-wing, you get enough extra generics and upgrades to cover a few more a-wings you may have converted over in the conversion kit.

Don’t give them ideas, that would be the cherry on a total **** sandwich. They are supposed to add conversion packs but we can only assume on cost and content. I’m still not buying they will get rereleases out with superhuman speed so the only real choice is can you buy this game knowing you’ll be rebuying stuff or can you not?

11 minutes ago, bernh said:

I doubt ARC-170 in 2.0 has a crew slot. Just gunner slot probably.

ARC is a perfect excuse to have both (and an astro) and give it a unique combo.

9 hours ago, Boba Rick said:

So does the Rebel Conversion kit have a bunch of illicits in it?

Yup. We're assuming both YTs and the TIE at least will have the slot.

Well im confused...

We have to buy the conversion packs now and also buy more conversion packs in the future?

6 minutes ago, william1134 said:

Well im confused...

We have to buy the conversion packs now and also buy more conversion packs in the future?

Yes. Every wave.

Well that sucks.. kinda makes me wonder why im buying the conversion packs at all.

57 minutes ago, william1134 said:

Well im confused...

We have to buy the conversion packs now and also buy more conversion packs in the future?

First of - no. No one enslaved you to follow FFG's release schedule. Myself, over my year actively with the game, I'm still buying into one faction only and am missing quite a few of it's expansions yet I'm having lots of fun. You don't like it - you don't buy it. If you feel obsessively compulsive to purchase everything with the games logo on it, it's a therapist to help you out, not FFG.

Secondary, I've been trying to put together an extensive explanation of my viewpoint on the decision process behind it, but now on Reddit I've noticed the Rebel Kit's booklet spoiled and it summarises the thing perfectly.

"[This kit] includes the Rebel Alliance cards that have direct counterparts in first edition products." That's it. They wont redesign, rebalance and dump 6 years worth of content all at once. And thanks the Force, as it would be even greater mess than what we've seen so far.

We're getting back what they've felt comfortable bringing along for a ride from 1st edition. Now, all the pilots y'all been begging them to introduce? Tell me, would you like K2SO to finally appear here, just to have Hobb's ability stapled to it and suck as utterly as Hobb does? No? You'd like him to do new cool things? Then you're asking for brand new content, and these will be added at appropriate time, when given ship is to be fully reintroduced. For now enjoy the possibility to field every single one of your figs at day one, and the fact you won't have to turn your cool repaints into shelf dust holders.

"The Saw’s Renegades Expansion Pack is also the first place to find the second edition version of a powerful System upgrade like Advanced Sensors."

Does this mean that Advanced Sensors is not in the conversion pack? I'm a bit confused as to what wave Saw's Renegades is in, it's not wave 1 of the second edition, isn't it wave 14 of the first edition? So why are there upgrade cards in this pack that aren't in the conversion kits?

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Boushh said:

"The Saw’s Renegades Expansion Pack is also the first place to find the second edition version of a powerful System upgrade like Advanced Sensors."

Does this mean that Advanced Sensors is not in the conversion pack? I'm a bit confused as to what wave Saw's Renegades is in, it's not wave 1 of the second edition, isn't it wave 14 of the first edition? So why are there upgrade cards in this pack that aren't in the conversion kits?

Yes it is. 2 copies.


On the other hand, pilots and crew from Saw's aren't in the conversion kit. Who would buy them if that's the case? Every rebel player already has at least one U-wing and several T65s !

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. When it said it was the first place to get Advanced Sensors I assumed that it wasn't available anywhere else, but I suppose Saw's Renegades will be available before the conversion kits.

13 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

That's not what's been repeatedly stated.

The current understanding I have is that there won't be any content in the 2e versions of 1e ships that's not in the conversion kits, at any point.

that's wrong. "There will be an alternate upgrade path for veteran players to pick up the new content in each wave as it releases."

maybe the biggest news and/or mistake of the article:

There are only six ship expansions announced so far.

So while Saw is cool, Magva seems incredible to me, super defensive bubble that enemies can't rerolls against. Run her with new Kanan and once or twice a round enemy is attacking with less die and can't reroll more than 1 anyways.

They definitely made the U-wing relevant with Saw and Magva.

1 hour ago, skotothalamos said:

maybe the biggest news and/or mistake of the article:

There are only six ship expansions announced so far.

Kind of makes you wonder if there's a secret, unnannounced expansion included in wave 1. Maybe a Solo tie-in Scum version of the Millennium Falcon?

Certainly, the current wave is short a Scum ship.

I've definitely heard rumours about something yet to be announced to be released as a joint 1e/2e product, and it's definitely Scum.

1 hour ago, The Mighty Boushh said:

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. When it said it was the first place to get Advanced Sensors I assumed that it wasn't available anywhere else, but I suppose Saw's Renegades will be available before the conversion kits.

I think some longtime X-Wing players are in for a shock with 2.0s upgrade distribution plan. They are following the same method that they're using in Legion - common upgrades available in every expansion that can use them in a wave. This will mean that you'll get every viable upgrade without needing to buy ships from other factions (a good thing) but probably fewer different upgrades per wave (because those common ones will be filling space across several expansions). If you're buying all expansions this means you'll end up with a LOT of copies of upgrades.