1 minute ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Hyperspace tracking in TLJ... without a homing device... sounds like new technology...

That’s TLJ..... not the prequels.....

13 minutes ago, strikenowhere said:

The problem here is that everything in the Clone Wars SHOULD be underpowered compared to the current roster of ships, rendering them pointless to purchase. It wouldn't make any sense for them to be just as strong. If the Clone Wars ships were going to be used, they should have done so from the beginning. Thematically it doesn't make sense. I'd suspect we'd only see ANH-TLJ era & new trilogy ships moving forward.

Why? Close to a quarter of the ships and squadrons we have, have been around since the Clone Wars era. They are not weaker, just different purpose built.

Sometimes it is just really hard to improve on a good design, even with massive technology leaps. Real life example. The A10 Warthog is still the best at what it does, and is nearly as old as I am at 41 years in service!

1 minute ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

That’s TLJ..... not the prequels.....

8 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

No it shouldn’t be underpowered, this is not how tech in Star Wars works. The theme of this universe is that the tech has been around a long time and has remained constant. Differences between ships come from a doctrine and design standpoint, not a technological one.

My apologies. I thought you said that tech remained constant, which would apply to both eras.

6 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Well keep in mind, upgrade cards still can be bought separately. The more that appear in CW expansions, the cheaper they are.

And if you don’t like them, don’t buy them. But it’ll keep the game going on currently cannon content and keep it’s sales up for FFG.

I think the problem here is that while it's currently cannon, the mouse-eared overlords show every sign of wanting to brush the CW era under the carpet (like they're slightly embarrassed about it).

Even if FFG could make a compelling business case for it (and let's face it, compelling business cases for Armada seem pretty low on the FFG priority list) I simply don't see Disney signing off on it. For similar reasons, I can't see any further mining of EU content either (much though I'd love to see it).

In the infinitesimally minute corner of the Disney corporate behemoth that deals with Armada-shaped issues, I'm guessing the only thing that will fly beyond the GCW era will be a new trilogy core set.

4 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

My apologies. I thought you said that tech remained constant, which would apply to both eras.

In the old, pre-Disney continuity that seemed to be the general theme. I struggle to acknowledge the new movies due to my personal grievances with them, but I see your point.

I'd like to see some Clone Wars era ships purely because I enjoy the grander scale of the military conflict in the Clone Wars. Battles on the scale of Scarif or Endor or greater were widespread during the conflict between the Republic and the Confederacy, they could happen any day. I think that era is way more geared towards the scale of fleet combat that Armada is designed to portray as you have two belligerents with comparable military-industrial complexes able to support their war efforts.

The main points that I see are thus:

Buy-in cost. If people have to buy new $100 Core sets + expansions it can get pricy.

People are stubborn. A bunch of people love the Clone Wars, a bunch of people love the Expanded Universe. Pineapple on pizza or not pineapple on pizza.

What will the range of ships be? This is my big point. As I was writing this @slasher956 points out that several main Republic ships have already been introduced into the game in the Empire's faction. The Victory doesn't see too much action as far as I know in the actual Clone Wartime period, more the aftermath. However the Arquitens and Pelta were widely used in the conflict.

The main ships left from the Republic (and this comes from my knowledge through games, the Clone Wars series and some secondary reading so by no means absolute) are the Venator-class Star Destroyer , the Acclamator-class Assault Ship and the Charger c70 Consular Cruiser . Now many people are talking about the Carrion Spike or more importantly the ship it's based off of from the episode where Anakin tries to run the blockade of Christophsis but I think thats more of a one-off prototype ship that doesn't need widespread play.

On the Separatist side you have a few more options. The Lucrehulk-class Battleship , the Providence-Class Destroyer , the Munificent-class Frigate , the Recusant-class Light Destroyer , the Separatist Supply Ship, and the Subjugator-class Heavy Cruiser .

Of course you could make 5 boxes of squadrons for each (Fighters I and II for both factions and a crossover box of some sort)

Finally. Does FFG care? X-wing is clearly their baby. Legion seems to be doing well right now. Does Armada warrant the time and attention of a complete new rollout of ships? I'd love it but realistically I don't see it happening. They're likely just going to stick with the GCW.

5 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

In the old, pre-Disney continuity that seemed to be the general theme. I struggle to acknowledge the new movies due to my personal grievances with them, but I see your point.

Completely agree. I liked the idea that tech had been pretty constant since the Old Rebulic. Even though not a fan of the sequels, I don’t want to be someone who picks and chooses his canon. More like me in the theater, “Well ****. I guess that’s a thing now.”

I don't play destiny, but based on that article it seems to me that they support clone wars era stuff in that game. That would suggest adding clone wars era to their products isn't an un-crossable line put down by disney.

8 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Completely agree. I liked the idea that tech had been pretty constant since the Old Rebulic. Even though not a fan of the sequels, I don’t want to be someone who picks and chooses his canon. More like me in the theater, “Well ****. I guess that’s a thing now.”

I feel that a lot. I accept it with that same mantra.

37 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

No it shouldn’t be underpowered, this is not how tech in Star Wars works. The theme of this universe is that the tech has been around a long time and has remained constant. Differences between ships come from a doctrine and design standpoint, not a technological one.

Again this is not how it’s perceived in universe, at least ?

”You’ve got to be pretty crazy to think you can beat modern Turbolasers with blaster cannons.”

- Ensign Eli Vanto, “Thrawn”

53 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

That’s TLJ..... not the prequels.....

Also, it was mentioned somewhere to have dated back to experiments during the Empire years, so it was still something from the OT timeframe that just hadn't been deployed until the FO. The Emperor seemed hellbent on changing the status quo moreso than anybody had for a thousand years before, and had setup a lot of secret research stations all over the place. Say what you will about the old buzzard, he got things done...

I love the Prequels! I want droid and Jedi fleet commanders, and droid squadrons!

Well, if clone war tech is worse than GCW tech then simulate it by reducing points cost and dice. Or just ignore it.

Id be happy with a CIS faction. Not entirely sure we need Republic but why not I guess.

Ive come to like the new trilogy star destroyer. But apart from that I’m hardly impressed with FO or Resistance.

13 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Again this is not how it’s perceived in universe, at least ?

”You’ve got to be pretty crazy to think you can beat modern Turbolasers with blaster cannons.”

- Ensign Eli Vanto, “Thrawn”

There are a couple ways to creatively interpret that remark, though. ? It could be a comparison between a turbolaser and a blaster cannon in general, with modern being a relative term (“1,000 years ago, turbolasers sucked”) Personally, I choose to believe as a low-ranking naval officer, Vanto’s been fed exaggerations about how much Imperial tech has improved.

15 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Again this is not how it’s perceived in universe, at least ?

”You’ve got to be pretty crazy to think you can beat modern Turbolasers with blaster cannons.”

- Ensign Eli Vanto, “Thrawn”

Um...... turbolasers and blasters arent the same....

Blaster cannons while heavy and powerful were still considered handheld for droids or vehicle mountable weapons

" A blaster cannon was the heaviest and most powerful version of a blaster . It could be mounted on vehicles like the Flash speeder or the TIE Advanced , or wielded in battle like the Z-6 rotary blaster cannon ."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster_cannon

Turbolasers on the otherhand are " The turbolaser was the immensely scaled-up version of the blaster and laser cannon . These weapons were generally mounted on rotating turrets, which were commonly installed in banks on capital ships , space stations and orbital facilities."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Turbolaser/Legends

Even the canon page lists them as powerful laser cannons

" A turbolaser was a powerful laser cannon turret stationed aboard large craft and space stations , such as the Death Star ^[1] and the Death Star II . ^[2] Spacecraft that were equipped with turbolasers included the Tantive IV ^[3] and the Malevolence . ^{[4] "}

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Turbolaser

so to me that statement makes sense, in the fact you would be crazy to think a handheld blaster that can be wielded like a Z-6 rotary blaster cannon can beat turbolasers so large they have to be mounted on ships!

now the fact he says modern is interesting, but heres a few questions. Are they modern in looks? Modern in capacity? Modern in that they were just made? Modern how???

That he says the word modern as if to mean something is useless unless we know exactly what he means by that lol. Theres just too many ways to take that statement otherwise.

edit: theyre not the same, as if you were comparing old turbolasers and modern turbolasers, so to sumarise all that ^, why does what he say actually matter? The sentence isnt a comparison between old and new turbolasers which is what we are discussing isnt it? How tech in the star wars universe is effectively stagnant and its just how the tech is utilised that changes its effects?

18 hours ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

No it shouldn’t be underpowered, this is not how tech in Star Wars works. The theme of this universe is that the tech has been around a long time and has remained constant. Differences between ships come from a doctrine and design standpoint, not a technological one.

Tell that to the X-Wing from TLJ :-). Seriously though, agreeing with you.

I like this discussion from a what if standpoint, but seriously, ffg can't even keep up with the expansion schedule for 2 fractions. They have at most two people working on Armada (you know, so they can playtest ? ), and not even close to the manpower needed to design and create two complete new fractions that are on par with the established ones.

2 hours ago, DrakonLord said:

Um...... turbolasers and blasters arent the same....

Blaster cannons while heavy and powerful were still considered handheld for droids or vehicle mountable weapons

" A blaster cannon was the heaviest and most powerful version of a blaster . It could be mounted on vehicles like the Flash speeder or the TIE Advanced , or wielded in battle like the Z-6 rotary blaster cannon ."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster_cannon

Turbolasers on the otherhand are " The turbolaser was the immensely scaled-up version of the blaster and laser cannon . These weapons were generally mounted on rotating turrets, which were commonly installed in banks on capital ships , space stations and orbital facilities."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Turbolaser/Legends

Even the canon page lists them as powerful laser cannons

" A turbolaser was a powerful laser cannon turret stationed aboard large craft and space stations , such as the Death Star ^[1] and the Death Star II . ^[2] Spacecraft that were equipped with turbolasers included the Tantive IV ^[3] and the Malevolence . ^{[4] "}

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Turbolaser

so to me that statement makes sense, in the fact you would be crazy to think a handheld blaster that can be wielded like a Z-6 rotary blaster cannon can beat turbolasers so large they have to be mounted on ships!

now the fact he says modern is interesting, but heres a few questions. Are they modern in looks? Modern in capacity? Modern in that they were just made? Modern how???

That he says the word modern as if to mean something is useless unless we know exactly what he means by that lol. Theres just too many ways to take that statement otherwise.

edit: theyre not the same, as if you were comparing old turbolasers and modern turbolasers, so to sumarise all that ^, why does what he say actually matter? The sentence isnt a comparison between old and new turbolasers which is what we are discussing isnt it? How tech in the star wars universe is effectively stagnant and its just how the tech is utilised that changes its effects?

Oh geez.

You see, this is the problem of replying to an in universe quote WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT that the quote was made.

He was referring - directly - to the fact that in the clone wars, Vulture Droids were armed with (apparently) blaster cannons, which were thusly considered far far inferior to the modern turbo lasers of combat vessels.

That the tactics and equipment - on hand - were far inferior.

And it was then demonstrated that you had to be excessive AND creative to get effect out of them.

It would be crazy to think that nothing but Vulture Droids could take on an ISD and it’s attendant vessels for any meaningful effect, right?

But a master tactician did - and it took another master tactician to undo it.

And then, when the tactic was known, they were easily countered.

I mean... didn't a single A-wing destroy the Executor ...

Look, I get that some people don't like the movies, but half the ships that were in the Clone Wars are already in the game. A 40 year stretch of time isn't going to vastly out do tech regardless of timelines. The Venator would add a new profile to whatever side its put into. I think that we have too many Space Triangles of the same design, and would love to see some variety. The Acclamator is about the same shape, but still could be used differently.

To all the bored people who seem to populate these forums: find something else to occupy your time so that your need for stimulation can be met by something other than staring in a Pavolvian trance at your device waitng for new content to be publised. You're trying to fill a hole that has no bottom. You are going to mess up what is a really great game. Coming from XWM, this game is such a breath of fresh air!

It's the bored folk (not the netlisters...they're just the natural consequence of the incessant yammering for new stuff that got XWM to where it was, and where it now is with a new edition) that are responsible for the 2.0 situation that now exists, and it's the bored folk that drove me out of XWM and into Armada. Stay away. This game is golden. And it's hella fun. ? ? ?

5 minutes ago, Scopes said:

To all the bored people who seem to populate these forums: find something else to occupy your time so that your need for stimulation can be met by something other than staring in a Pavolvian trance at your device waitng for new content to be publised. You're trying to fill a hole that has no bottom. You are going to mess up what is a really great game. Coming from XWM, this game is such a breath of fresh air!

It's the bored folk (not the netlisters...they're just the natural consequence of the incessant yammering for new stuff that got XWM to where it was, and where it now is with a new edition) that are responsible for the 2.0 situation that now exists, and it's the bored folk that drove me out of XWM and into Armada. Stay away. This game is golden. And it's hella fun. ? ? ?

Well thank you, I also think Armada is fun. It is fun to me because of decision that have consequences and the need for strategic thinking during all stages of the game. More choices will result in more fun to me. Discussing possible directions where the community thinks the game could go is in my mind beneficial, as the furnace of expert player opinions, which are prevalent on these forums, help direct and shape opinions. This is because in comparison our community is very nice and polite.

Netlisting is a habit that is supported by one list being simply the best and little requirement on player skill, something that is - in my opinion - no longer a problem since sloane was murdered in wave 7 (yay). The game is in a good state at the moment.

But yeah, im also bored....no news from the Euro Championships.

I’ve come full circle. After not enjoying the kiddishness of the movies. I’d like to see the era in the game as the combat scenes were generally good. I’d just rather them 2 new factions. Rather than mixing. Can be some overlap of course.

I don’t know if this is well known, but prequel ships are already established in the canon as being used in the galactic civil war. The Rebels tend to use separatist tech. Imperials use republic tech. An example is this is that Hera commands a rebel droid control ship (it’s a training ship). The providence class ships have also appeared under the command of Leia. The real question isn’t if but when these will show up. The real questionable stuff would be if clone wars centric upgrades and personnel show up.

I have been on board with this literally since they released X-wing. And X-wing second Ed has paved a path to do it really soon. I suspect the delay in announcement is for double(up to quadruple) announcement of clone wars content for the whole line of games, X-wing, Armada, and Legion, potentially Imperial Assault as well.

3 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

I have been on board with this literally since they released X-wing. And X-wing second Ed has paved a path to do it really soon. I suspect the delay in announcement is for double(up to quadruple) announcement of clone wars content for the whole line of games, X-wing, Armada, and Legion, potentially Imperial Assault as well.

Wow I hadn’t thought of that. That’s one heck of a prediction. I hope it turns out that way.