FFG couldn't even make it two sentences into the latest article without revealing their terrorist sympathies, smh:

"Although they may be infinitesimal in comparison to capital ships, individual starfighters can make a huge difference in a space battle.

After all, it was a lone T-65 X-wing fighter that destroyed the massive Death Star, scoring a major victory for the Rebel Alliance. "

No mention of all the innocent contract employees such as janitors, cafeteria workers, or IT department people who were killed by the rebel terrorists either!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Every freedom fighter is someone's terrorist, and every terrorist is someone's freedom fighter.

There were huge amounts of support staff and industry dedicated to keeping the deathstar stocked and ready, those people are out of a job, probably begging in the street. "what were you before you began begging in the street"- passerby, "i owned a very large food distribution company that landed a major contract to supply the imperial navy, before those **** terrorist destroyed everything i worked for"- Former food service CEO

Rebel Scum.

Just now, Icelom said:

Every freedom fighter is someone's terrorist, and every terrorist is someone's freedom fighter.

There were huge amounts of support staff and industry dedicated to keeping the deathstar stocked and ready, those people are out of a job, probably begging in the street. "what were you before you began begging in the street"- passerby, "i owned a very large food distribution company that landed a major contract to supply the imperial navy, before those **** terrorist destroyed everything i worked for"- Former food service CEO

Rebel Scum.

Don't forget all the low wage food service employees who died, now their families suffer. All because a few people couldn't get with the program, don't the rebels get it, no rebellion, no Imperial oppression! The rebellion IS the cause of the oppression!

Just now, Gadgetron said:

Don't forget all the low wage food service employees who died, now their families suffer. All because a few people couldn't get with the program, don't the rebels get it, no rebellion, no Imperial oppression! The rebellion IS the cause of the oppression!

The rebellion is a front for those who lost some of there ill-gotten power and influence when the Republic transitioned into the empire. They don't care about the common people they are only attempting to use them to get their comfortable senate seats back. So very selfish.

Well, given how well the new republic panned out I pretty much have zero admiration for The Rebellion itself.

But their starfighters are still cooler.

2 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

FFG couldn't even make it two sentences into the latest article without revealing their terrorist sympathies, smh:

"Although they may be infinitesimal in comparison to capital ships, individual starfighters can make a huge difference in a space battle.

After all, it was a lone T-65 X-wing fighter that destroyed the massive Death Star, scoring a major victory for the Rebel Alliance. "

FALSE NEWS!

It was these guys;

Meh, as Scum, we don't depend on bias or or quantity- just skill and credits. Continued payments bring the fight to all governments and keep the spice flowing!

3 hours ago, Gadgetron said:

No mention of all the innocent contract employees such as janitors, cafeteria workers, or IT department people who were killed by the rebel terrorists either!

Actually I always wondered about all those cells in the detention blocks and how many prisoners were still held when the DS blew. But worst of all

was the multiple apartment levels and tons of shopping, all lost.

2 hours ago, Icelom said:

Every  freedom fighter is someone's terrorist, and e  very   terrorist is someone's freedom fighter

I think that Cobra are just terrorists.

3 hours ago, Icelom said:

Every freedom fighter is someone's terrorist, and every terrorist is someone's freedom fighter.

There were huge amounts of support staff and industry dedicated to keeping the deathstar stocked and ready, those people are out of a job, probably begging in the street. "what were you before you began begging in the street"- passerby, "i owned a very large food distribution company that landed a major contract to supply the imperial navy, before those **** terrorist destroyed everything i worked for"- Former food service CEO

Rebel Scum.

Don't get me wrong, I fly Imperial.

But it really depends on what the freedom fighter is actually fighting for that determines whether or not they are a terrorist.

A really good example is in Rogue One whenever Saw's renegades attack that Imperial convoy in the city, they didn't care that Innocents were caught in the crossfire, they just wanted to defeat the enemy by any means; that is a terrorist.

5 hours ago, Icelom said:

Every freedom fighter is someone's terrorist, and every terrorist is someone's freedom fighter.

There were huge amounts of support staff and industry dedicated to keeping the deathstar stocked and ready, those people are out of a job, probably begging in the street. "what were you before you began begging in the street"- passerby, "i owned a very large food distribution company that landed a major contract to supply the imperial navy, before those **** terrorist destroyed everything i worked for"- Former food service CEO

Rebel Scum.

Nah. Empire solved that, like with Jedda and Scarif. No one on Aldeeran is starving, or weeping about lost relatives on the Deathstar or lost contracts.

Our benevolent Emperor solves every problem swiftly, long live the Emperor!

The lives lost on the Death Star pale in comparison to the genocide of entire planets and species along with slavery and oppressive taxation. I guess it depends on the individual's perception of what the greater evil is.

2 hours ago, Warlon said:

Don't get me wrong, I fly Imperial.

But it really depends on what the freedom fighter is actually fighting for that determines whether or not they are a terrorist.

A really good example is in Rogue One whenever Saw's renegades attack that Imperial convoy in the city, they didn't care that Innocents were caught in the crossfire, they just wanted to defeat the enemy by any means; that is a terrorist.

That's what made the Lothal Cell such a big deal- they were extremely principled, even hesitant to kill enemy combatants.

4 hours ago, Warlon said:

Don't get me wrong, I fly Imperial.

But it really depends on what the freedom fighter is actually fighting for that determines whether or not they are a terrorist.

A really good example is in Rogue One whenever Saw's renegades attack that Imperial convoy in the city, they didn't care that Innocents were caught in the crossfire, they just wanted to defeat the enemy by any means; that is a terrorist.

Extremely debatable if attacking a military convoy could be considered terrorism, but there is a much better example of a terrorist organization in Star Wars.

The regional governors now have direct 
control over territories. Fear will 
keep the local systems in line. Fear 
of this battle station.

Rule by fear aka rule of terror. Later in the movie they carry out a terrorist attack - blow up a civilian target, murdering billions of non-combatants to further their political goal. Textbook terrorism.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

That's what made the Lothal Cell such a big deal- they were extremely principled, even hesitant to kill enemy combatants.

Only hesistant if the deaths aren't family friendly. They had no problem killing tens of thousands in explosions.

9 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

FFG couldn't even make it two sentences into the latest article without revealing their terrorist sympathies, smh:

"Although they may be infinitesimal in comparison to capital ships, individual starfighters can make a huge difference in a space battle.

After all, it was a lone T-65 X-wing fighter that destroyed the massive Death Star, scoring a major victory for the Rebel Alliance. "

"It's like Lenin said. You look for the person who would benefit"

9 hours ago, Gadgetron said:

Don't forget all the low wage food service employees who died, now their families suffer. All because a few people couldn't get with the program, don't the rebels get it, no rebellion, no Imperial oppression! The rebellion IS the cause of the oppression!

I find myself mentally rerunning the Death Star Canteen script .

Poor Mr Stevens.

And....yeah.

9 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Well, given how well the new republic panned out I pretty much have zero admiration for The Rebellion itself.

But their starfighters are still cooler.

Well....the empire is genuinely not a nice place (In fairness, note all three major atrocities - the death star shots - you see in the films, Jedha, Scarif and Alderaan, are all personally ordered by Tarkin - but other, lesser things have been explicitely namechecked as being ordered and/or carried out by Kallus, Thrawn, and Vader).

But given how generally inept and corrupt the Republic is often shown as being in the Prequels and Clone Wars, and how the New Republic appears to fold like a cheap deck of cards when attacked and seems to be equally corrupt given their interactions prior to this with the First Order, the Alliance To Restore The Republic may have had a serious case of rose-tinted magnoculars about what the Republic was actually like .

Yes, all right, Dooku was secretly a sith, but a non-trivial proportion of the CIS' 'several thousand star systems' wanted to leave the Republic because it was corrupt as heck and didn't work anymore as a functional government.

20 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

But given how generally inept and corrupt the Republic is often shown as being in the Prequels and Clone Wars, and how the New Republic appears to fold like a  cheap deck of cards when attacked and seems to be equally corrupt given their interactions prior to this with the First Order, the Alliance To Restore The Republic may have had a serious case of rose-tinted magnoculars about what the Republic was actually like . 

Yes, all right, Dooku was secretly a sith, but a non-trivial proportion of the CIS' 'several thousand star systems' wanted to leave the Republic because it was corrupt as heck and didn't work anymore as a functional government.

Suspiciously large portion of CIS are megacorporations, and very suspiciously the Separatist Consuil is almost exlusively CEOs.

But maybe it's just my life experiences and in Star Wars the megacorporations are the opposite of real world ones : instead of pursuing profits at all cost they care mostly about galactic peace, helping the poor, respecting human (and alien) rights, and fighting corruption (which btw they are benefiting from the most) and there was no utterior motive guiding the separatist movement.

Dunno.

2 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Suspiciously large portion of CIS are megacorporations, and very suspiciously the Separatist Consuil is almost exlusively CEOs.

But maybe it's just my life experiences and in Star Wars the megacorporations are the opposite of real world ones : instead of pursuing profits at all cost they care mostly about galactic peace, helping the poor, respecting human (and alien) rights, and fighting corruption (which btw they are benefiting from the most) and there was no utterior motive guiding the separatist movement.

Dunno.

Class Wars

15 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Suspiciously large portion of CIS are megacorporations, and very suspiciously the Separatist Consuil is almost exlusively CEOs.

But maybe it's just my life experiences and in Star Wars the megacorporations are the opposite of real world ones : instead of pursuing profits at all cost they care mostly about galactic peace, helping the poor, respecting human (and alien) rights, and fighting corruption (which btw they are benefiting from the most) and there was no utterior motive guiding the separatist movement.

Dunno.

True. But the same massive corporate presence can be noted in the pre-CIS senate.

Equally, the separatist council represents the people with the ability to actually either provide or produce meaningful military force; it is a war council, after all - if you don't have any troops you don't really have anything useful to say. The separatist military, at least at the outset of the war, is basically the combined armies of the various megacorps. I grant you that the proportion of megacorporations with armies and navies outclassing most worlds is kind of disturbing by today's standards, but for the most part they were created under the republic, and in several cases with the republic's knowledge.

Finally, the separatist parliament is seen in Clone Wars, and is much more substantial than just the council.

I'm not saying the CIS was much better, or that the megacorps arent' corrupt. Just that the mental picture that the rebellion era tries to paint of 'the days of the Republic' is a bit misrepresentative at best.

10 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

True. But the same massive corporate presence can be noted in the pre-CIS senate.

Equally, the separatist council represents the people with the ability to actually either provide or produce meaningful military force; it is a war council, after all - if you don't have any troops you don't really have anything useful to say. I grant you that the proportion of megacorporations with armies and navies outclassing most worlds is kind of disturbing by today's standards, but for the most part they were created under the republic, and in several cases with the republic's knowledge.

Finally, the separatist parliament is seen in Clone Wars, and is much more substantial than just the council.

I'm not saying the CIS was much better, or that the megacorps arent' corrupt. Just that the mental picture that the rebellion era tries to paint of 'the days of the Republic' is a bit misrepresentative at best.

Sure, but note that the Republic is ancient. When we talk about the Republic we think about the final years shown in the prequels, forgetting a millennium of peace and prosperity that preceded it.

The main problem of the New Republic, aside from hack writers writing the story, seems to be that they wanted to jump straight to that golden age while the post-war environment required some mopping up first and a slower, gradual transition into pacifism.

1 minute ago, eMeM said:

Sure, but note that the Republic is ancient. When we talk about the Republic we think about the final years shown in the prequels, forgetting a millennium of peace and prosperity that preceded it.

Not questioning that. But that golden age was emphatically over by the time of Naboo. In fairness, we don't actually know that much about the period (probably because it's fairly boring for a sci-fi-war-and-intrigue-story setting) - documented history pretty much jumps from the end of the assorted sith and mandalorian wars to Plagueis and Sidious.

2 minutes ago, eMeM said:

The main problem of the New Republic, aside from hack writers writing the story, seems to be that they wanted to jump straight to that golden age while the post-war environment required some mopping up first and a slower, gradual transition into pacifism.

Indeed. I get the 'no more war' mindset. But the way they went about it frankly feels a bit 'league of nations', with fairly predictable results.