Welter Weight

By Tbetts94, in X-Wing Squad Lists

Rules

100pt lists. All pilots must be Unique. No pilot May have an Adjusted Pilot Skill greater than 6 (no VI or Adaptability to exceed this)

I’m assuming they are going to add the rule of no large ships. Control bots break the format.

I’m thinking this

(28) "Snap" Wexley
(2) BB-8
(2) Intensity
(1) Primed Thrusters
(2) Autothrusters
Total: 35 points

(21) Sabine Wren
(6) Twin Laser Turret
(2) Rey
(0) Adaptability (+1)
Total: 29 points

(28) Shara Bey
(3) Weapons Engineer
(0) Trick Shot
(3) M9-G8
(0) Alliance Overhaul
Total: 34 points

List total: 98 points

I like what you have, but was wondering this: Can you use adaptability to lower PS to 6?

If so, I just thought of this Norra build off the top of my head:

Experimental Interface takes on the PTL role since you're having to use Adaptbility instead of PTL. Recon gives you two focuses so you have one for offense and defense.

Since you're putting Norra at risk for one round to fire off the Adv. Protons, Lowhhrick has Selflessness to take the hit for Norra.

AP-5 gives you flexibility in case you're running into Stress Ezra or Tactition.

Norra Wexley (29)
Adaptability (0)
Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
R7-T1 (3)
Experimental Interface (3)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

Lowhhrick (28)
Selflessness (1)
C-3PO (3)
Rey (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)

AP-5 (15)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
R2 Astromech (1)
Pulsed Ray Shield (2)

Total: 99

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20 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I like what you have, but was wondering this: Can  you use adaptability to lower PS to 6?  

If so, I just thought of this Norra build off the top of my head:

Experimental Interface takes on the PTL role since you're having to use Adaptbility instead of PTL. Recon gives you two focuses so you have one for offense and defense.

Since you're putting Norra at risk for one round to fire off the Adv. Protons, Lowhhrick has Selflessness to take the hit for Norra.

AP-5 gives you flexibility in case you're running into Stress Ezra or Tactition.

Norra Wexley (29)
Adaptability (0)
Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
R7-T1 (3)
Experimental Interface (3)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

Lowhhrick (28)
Selflessness (1)
C-3PO (3)
Rey (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)

AP-5 (15)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
R2 Astromech (1)
Pulsed Ray Shield (2)

Total: 99

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I just messaged him. Can’t adapt down. Also, large ships are allowed.

If you want to go with a large ship, I'd say Chewie would be great. Still, I do like what you have on your original small base ship list.

Chewbacca (42)
A Score to Settle (0)
Bistan (2)
Gunner (5)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Lowhhrick (28)
Draw Their Fire (1)
C-3PO (3)

Captain Rex (14)

Total: 100

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1 hour ago, jwilliamson12 said:

If you want to go with a large ship, I'd say Chewie would be great. Still, I do like what you have on your original small base ship list.

Chewbacca (42)
A Score to Settle (0)
Bistan (2)
Gunner (5)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Lowhhrick (28)
Draw Their Fire (1)
C-3PO (3)

Captain Rex (14)

Total: 100

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Yeah, the other list I have is TFA Chewy, Low, and Ezra. Chewy with Rage/Kanan/Inspiring Recruit and standard loads on the others.

Standard Ghost/Fenn except replace Fenn with Ezra. If there are enough points, change the Lothal Rebel for Kanan and add a Recon Specialist.

Show the list to whoever wrote the rules and ask if that's what they intended...

3 hours ago, Gilarius said:

Standard Ghost/Fenn except replace Fenn with Ezra. If there are enough points, change the Lothal Rebel for Kanan and add a Recon Specialist.

Show the list to whoever wrote the rules and ask if that's what they intended...

According to OP they'll have to at least take Chopper or Kanan because pilots have to be unique.

5 hours ago, Gilarius said:

Standard Ghost/Fenn except replace Fenn with Ezra. If there are enough points, change the Lothal Rebel for Kanan and add a Recon Specialist.

Show the list to whoever wrote the rules and ask if that's what they intended...

New Squadron

(38) Kanan Jarrus
(6) Twin Laser Turret
(4) Sensor Jammer
(3) Recon Specialist
(3) Maul
(0) Ghost
(4) Engine Upgrade
Total: 58 points

(18) "Zeb" Orrelios
(0) "Chopper"
(0) Phantom
Total: 18 points

(17) Ezra Bridger
(2) R3-A2
(4) Hotshot Co-pilot
(0) Adaptability (+1)
Total: 23 points

List total: 99 points

Headache

(24) Captain Yorr
(0) Collision Detector
(8) Emperor Palpatine
Total: 32 points

(30) "Echo"
(4) Expertise
(2) Fire-Control System
(2) Agent Kallus
(4) Advanced Cloaking Device
Total: 42 points

(22) "Pure Sabacc"
(0) Trick Shot
(0) Adaptive Ailerons
(2) Lightweight Frame
Total: 24 points

List total: 98 points

Think I may fly this. I haven’t flown Imperials in a long time and want to get some games again with them before 2.0 comes out.

3 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Headache

(24) Captain Yorr
(0) Collision Detector
(8) Emperor Palpatine
Total: 32 points

(30) "Echo"
(4) Expertise
(2) Fire-Control System
(2) Agent Kallus
(4) Advanced Cloaking Device
Total: 42 points

(22) "Pure Sabacc"
(0) Trick Shot
(0) Adaptive Ailerons
(2) Lightweight Frame
Total: 24 points

List total: 98 points

Think I may fly this. I haven’t flown Imperials in a long time and want to get some games again with them before 2.0 comes out.

you stole my list! only sub gunner in for kallus and my pal velen rudor with intensity, title, prockets and chips for yorr....cause i like valen and generally hate palp

22 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Headache

(24) Captain Yorr
(0) Collision Detector
(8) Emperor Palpatine
Total: 32 points

(30) "Echo"
(4) Expertise
(2) Fire-Control System
(2) Agent Kallus
(4) Advanced Cloaking Device
Total: 42 points

(22) "Pure Sabacc"
(0) Trick Shot
(0) Adaptive Ailerons
(2) Lightweight Frame
Total: 24 points

List total: 98 points

Think I may fly this. I haven’t flown Imperials in a long time and want to get some games again with them before 2.0 comes out.

Hrm. I kinda want to mess with that Echo. Consider: Advanced Sensors/Predator is the same cost as Expertise/FCS, or Lone Wolf/Sensor Jammer.

I'd consider sacrificing a point of bid to upgrade to Crack Shot on Pure Sabacc. Or to switch Kallus to Rebel Captive. Echo seems like she could be a popular pick, and Rebel Captive wins the mirror match more than initiative.

3 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Hrm. I kinda want to mess with that Echo. Consider: Advanced Sensors/Predator is the same cost as Expertise/FCS, or Lone Wolf/Sensor Jammer.

I'd consider sacrificing a point of bid to upgrade to Crack Shot on Pure Sabacc. Or to switch Kallus to Rebel Captive. Echo seems like she could be a popular pick, and Rebel Captive wins the mirror match more than initiative.

Main reason for Kallus though is for that one person that will bring Kanan/Ezra. You really need that free focus flip.

1 minute ago, Tbetts94 said:

Main reason for Kallus though is for that one person that will bring Kanan/Ezra. You really need that free focus flip.

Phantom is going to get shredded by TLTs either way I figure. Just dug out a dice calc. Without tokens, there's a 28% chance of no-damage with 4 greens vs TLT, 49% of 1, 23% of two. Primary weapon shots from the Ghost are worse than TLT, too, if you fail to dodge an arc.

Hrm. Maybe that's enough of a chance. If you're willing to use Palp there and take Evade actions, you can almost statistically rule out two hits (99.79% chance of 1 or fewer), and have only like a 20% chance of 1 hit. That might be enough.

In which case, I wonder if there's something instead of Expertise, since Kallus provides some offensive focus-type modification. Outmaneuver would be interesting. Not against a Ghost, to be sure, but against many things. Eh, probably not generally better.

22 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

New Squadron

(38) Kanan Jarrus (6) Twin Laser Turret (4) Sensor Jammer (3) Recon Specialist (3) Maul (0) Ghost (4) Engine Upgrade Total: 58 points

(18) "Zeb" Orrelios (0) "Chopper" (0) Phantom Total: 18 points

(17) Ezra Bridger (2) R3-A2 (4) Hotshot Co-pilot (0) Adaptability (+1) Total: 23 points

List total: 99 points

I almost want Snapshot/Hera, or Baze, but having PS 6 Coordinate is sweet in the format. Heck, the list is probably viable in standard X-Wing.

We've locally got a pretty similar tournament coming up. It allows non-unique pilots, but has the same PS 6 cap, and bans TLT and Harpoon Missiles in addition to VI/Adaptability.

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I'm certainly thinking about Control IGs. They're just so fun. But I hate flying them into Ezra, and I'm sure I'd hate flying them into Asajj, and bothof those seem like really solid picks.

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How about this Kanan build: That'd be a reasonable amount of stress control, with Kanan somewhat protected, and hitting hard.

  • Kanan (FCS, Synced Turret, Tactician, Recon Specialist) [49] + Zeb Attack Shuttle [18]
  • Lowhhrick (Draw Their Fire, Tactician, Rey) [33]

Alternately, this one has an Ezra designed to coordinate and be fairly tanky. It's got two wiggle room points. Perhaps it ought to be Recon Spec instead of Rey or Tactician, or Ion Cannon Turret for ease of use and control.

  • Kanan (Sensor Jammer, Synced Turret, Rey, Tactician, Engine Upgrade) [54] + Zeb Attack Shuttle [18]
  • Ezra (Elusiveness, R2 Astromech, Hotshot Copilot, Pulsed Ray Shied) [26]

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Or perhaps a double-Ghost build. 2x Lothal Rebel with FCS, Gunner, Engine, and either: [Tactician/Autoblaster Turret] or [Dorsal Turret/Intelligence Agent] or [Synced Turret/Courier Droid].

Alternately, Lothal 2x with FCS, Autoblaster, Courier Droid (each for 39 points), and a standard 22-point Snap/R3/Hera Ezra. Heck, you could even start him out docked. Attach Chopper to the undocked one, so you could easily K-Turn into an action, while the other gains the rear arc. Meanwhile, dropping the Phantom Deuce would allow Ezra to get into a really unexpected position for Snap Shot.

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Another thought: This would be a lot of stress and a hard-to-kill list. Both Red Ace and Lowhhrick can eat fire, but the damage of such a list isn't too high.

  • Red Ace (R2-D2, Comm Relay, Autothrusters)
  • Ezra (Snap Shot, R3-A2, Hera)
  • Lowhhrick (Expertise, C-3PO, Tactician, Vectored Thrusters)

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As I'm thinking about an Echo/Yorr build, I'm thinking about a Gunboat as 3rd ship. But that's my local rules, where I could take a 23 point Homing Missile/LRS Nu. However, I'd certainly be able to put Rebel Captive on Echo, and if I'm not worried about incoming TLT fire, I kinda like that.

Took the Echo/Sabacc/Yorr list above. Lost to (VI)Jostero/(Crack)Sixxa/(Crack)Jast all suited up with Harpoons. Very bad match up for me. @Crimsonwarlock took it and we played a practice game earlier in the week. Both times I got destroyed, however, I just needed to kill a ship which I did to secure 2nd.

@Tbetts94 . Yeah you one shotted jostero with sabacc. That was brutal.

On 6/2/2018 at 11:33 AM, theBitterFig said:

We've locally got a pretty similar tournament coming up. It allows non-unique pilots, but has the same PS 6 cap, and bans TLT and Harpoon Missiles in addition to VI/Adaptability.

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Alternately, Lothal 2x with FCS, Autoblaster, Courier Droid (each for 39 points), and a standard 22-point Snap/R3/Hera Ezra. Heck, you could even start him out docked. Attach Chopper to the undocked one, so you could easily K-Turn into an action, while the other gains the rear arc. Meanwhile, dropping the Phantom Deuce would allow Ezra to get into a really unexpected position for Snap Shot.

I wound up playing this and went 4-0. First, Courier Droid in a PS 6 cap is pretty busted. I could line up my VCX exactly where I wanted and get early jousts. Ezra starting docked is really nice. He can't be the first target, the free coordinates seem worth it, and he can easily get dropped into some nasty positions. I did a wicked cool 5-K on the Ghost-proper into an Ezra move which Stress-Snapped away my opponent's Ryad in front of a rock. I think she took actions once more after that point, between rocks and stress.

I'm honestly thinking of flying it for Store Championships. Any thoughts on bad matchups I should practice against? Probably X-Wing Swarm.