On 5/28/2018 at 1:19 PM, HolySorcerer said:

Iden is especially offensive. A traitorous ***** from a garbage game from a garbage company. Waste of a pilot card.

We should talk about everybody's favorite Baron.

On 6/9/2018 at 10:53 AM, HolySorcerer said:

Eh, that was a father protecting his son, not quite the same thing as betraying the Empire as a whole to join a rebel terrorist cell because you crave political power.

I'd throw trump down a shaft to save my son, but that doesn't mean I'm off to join ISIS.

TBF, He was plotting to betray the Emperor since the moment he completed his mission on Mustafar and wanted to rule the galaxy with his wife (Ep.3), and then later, his son (Ep.5).

He just never saw his chance to take a shot at him until he was forced to make a move.

7 hours ago, kris40k said:

TBF, He was plotting to betray the Emperor since the moment he completed his mission on Mustafar and wanted to rule the galaxy with his wife (Ep.3), and then later, his son (Ep.5).

He just never saw his chance to take a shot at him until he was forced to make a move.

Well, “plotting to betray his master” is part of the Sith way. If he wasn’t doing so, he’d be a weak apprentice. And he planned to use his boy in doing so from the minute he learned who Luke was.

Then he upped and killed Sheeve to save Luke, rather than to take over.

4 hours ago, Ravenhull said:

Well, “plotting to betray his master” is part of the Sith way. If he wasn’t doing so, he’d be a weak apprentice. And he planned to use his boy in doing so from the minute he learned who Luke was.

Then he upped and killed Sheeve to save Luke, rather than to take over.

While its completely the Sith way for the apprentice to slay the master if (and when) they eventually show weakness, I'm not sure how much time Darth Sidious had to impart Sith lessons and traditions upon Vader between him joining Sidious, being sent to wipe out the Jedi Temple, and then sent to Mustafar to clean up the CIS leadership. Stuff went down pretty fast.

Maybe during one of their previous chats, then Senator Palpatine mentioned something like "a student should never continue to serve someone they think the have surpassed in power", but otherwise, Vader picked up the idea of betraying him pretty dang fast.

If You want to get an ex-imperial rebel, the list is way larger:

Braylen Stramm (defected from the imperial garrison oin Naboo)

Thane Kyrell (defected after Alderaan)

Jake Farrell (Instructor in the Imperial Academy until retiring)

Tycho (defected with Biggs)

Sabine Wren (was in the imperial academy before Rebels)

Kyle Katarn (Former Stromtropper)

AP-5 (Imperial droid)

Captain Rex (Clone troopers were still an inactive force of the imperial army).

Bodhi Rook (Imperial cargo pilot until Jedha)

Tarn Mison (Imperial pilot, before becoming a smuggler)

Biggs Darklighter (defected with Tycho)

Derek "Hobbie" Kivlian (Member of the imperial academy, defected with Wedge).

Wedge Antilles (Defected with Hobbie)

Han Solo (was in the imperial academy and defected from the army)

Dash Rendar (Expelled from the imperia Academy by Palpatine)

Dutch Vander (former imperial pilot)

Blount (former ISBN agent)

Not make me do a list of all the imperial pilots turned rebel