Who exemplifies a 6 in each characteristic?

By DaverWattra, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Unless I'm missing something, we haven't seen an official NPC with a 6 in a characteristic. Since the characteristics go up to 6, there must be somebody in the galaxy who has that score! Who's your pick out of all the characters in the movie for the person you think of when you imagine a 6 in each attribute? Here's mine:

Brawn 6: Chewie!!

Agility 6: Darth Maul?

Intellect 6: Palpatine

Cunning 6: Tough one... maybe Lando, maybe DeeJay?

Willpower 6: Yoda

Presence 6: Mon Mothma

Chewie is fairly small, I’d give him Brawn 3 (maybe 4 max)

Palpatine is decently educated, but he doesn’t strike me as a genius who can outdo pretty much anyone when it comes to knowledge. (Sith knowledge aside) I could see him being Intellect 3.

Brawn 6: I could see quite a few animals getting this, but for sentients... Savrips are the only option off the top of my head. Maybe General Grievous.

Agility 6: Tons of options here... Anakin Skywalker is one the best options if you ask me. You see it in his piloting and lightsaber skills. Maul could be here, Kyle Katarn.

Intellect 6: The Qrephs serve as a more notable example. Obviously Tiran. Rugess Nome maybe? Jerec?

Cunning 6: Palpatine, most definitely. Jabba or Xizor would seem reasonable as well. Jorj Car’das at the peak of his power probably. Maybe Han Solo. Karrde or Booster Terrik? Borsk Fey’lya?

Willpower 6: Yoda, Satele Shan, Revan, Palpatine, Darth Plagueis, Grand Master Luke Skywalker, Abeloth

Presence 6: Mon Mothma, Palpatine (yeesh, he’s coming up a lot) Leia Organa, Contispex I, Dooku, Tarsus Valorum, Valenthyne Farfalla.

Cunning 6 is fo sho the emperor.

Anakin would be 6 agility or even 7 but only because of force enhance. He's nowhere near a natural 6.

Yoda is probably a 6 in will, so was kao cen darach. Emperor was probably a 6 too.

Builder of the death star... I forgot his name, but he probably has at least a 5 in intelligence.

Chewie is a str 4 probably. Han might have had a 5 in agility, maybe 6 at the end, look at that 70 year han solo juke and dive like a young man! That's probably stretching it.

Jabba had near 6, but more like 5 will probably. I dont think he was a very cunning hutt though. Probably a 4.

Thrawn probably had a 6 ranks in knowledge warefare but I'm not convinced he'd be int 6, 4 sure maybe 5 possibly.

Luke at the end had discipline 6, though I'm not sure his will was more than 4.

Rey is probably Will 4 or 5, will hit 6 by then end of the trilogy. She's a niman, ascetic, and she's gonna pick up another fr+2 spec at the end. That's why she's so mary sue. So that's what fr 6 looks like.

Qui zux from legends probably had 6 intelligence.

Xizor probably had a 6 in presence, probably 5 in cunning.

That's all i can think of right now...

6 hours ago, TheShard said:

Builder  of the death star... I f  orgot his name, but he probably has at least a 5 i  n intelligence  .

Bevel Lemelisk

Anakin is not a 6 agility.. i mean look at him... https://youtu.be/xEJ4ZwU46ZQ

15 hours ago, TheShard said:

Builder  of the death st  ar... I forgot his name, but he probably has at least a 5 in intelligence.  

Galen Erso

Raw (not RAW) or with enhance?

Raw characteristic:

Brawn: Grevious, Maybe Vader.

Agility: Anakin Skywalker, Poe Dameron, Maybe Jedi Knight Luke? Maul's close, but still at a 5 for me without enhance.

Intellect: R2-D2, Galen Erso, Maybe Jocasta Nu. Chewie's up there with around a 5, so is Palpatine. Smart, but not that smart. Obi-Wan?

Cunning: Palpatine, Jabba, Xizor, Maybe Tyber Zahn, Han on a good day.

Willpower: Palpatine, Yoda, Jedi Master Luke, Leia, Maybe Mace Windu

Presence: Palpatine, Mon Mothma, Dooku, Maybe Leia and Ackbar. Edit: 3P0!

Edited by Dayham

So basically, Palpatine is just too good right now.

I also appreciate that listing his characteristics will end in a 666.

No one, because they are actual characters and not some lame *** min/maxer making a dice pool instead of a character.....

I mirror the statement. I imagine very few characters make it to a 6; because it reflects a very exact dedication to that individual characteristic that almost transends mortality.

Brawn: Grevious is a firm 6, his body is incredibly powerful and tough, it is arguably his only real defining characteristic aside from being a leader. Savage might be a decent mention given his entire thing is being physically strong, but stupid. Vader doesn't belong on this list because there's nothing that actually suggests his physical strength is exceptional; he is the definition of a well balanced monster.

Agility: Eh. I don't see any stand out candidates for this. Even Yoda I would attribute down to commit and experience then any actual agility. I mean Jedi are generally pretty agile, but that can be largely down to their talents and force powers to give the impression that they are more capable then they actually are without the force. I would argue that only Han *might* be nearing that, because quite obviously he aren't the face of the party. XD But in my opinion the only one who absolutely would be a 6 is Poe. Because flying is his "thing" and it's a modern movie thing to make people's "things" incredibly good.

Intellect: Thrawn most definitively is the definition of a tactician; who is so into his int that he seems to lack actual people skills, which backfires on him on at least a couple of occasions.

Cunning: Define cunning. Probably no one. Cunning only tends to be used fairly intermittently as a range of skills, so it's difficult to find someone who is "a master of cunning".

Will: Again, it's hard to measure something so completely abstract. Maybe the masters? But then again they were easily broken by either the collapse of their order/having their own student turn against them. I mean Yoda went full reclusive swamp hobo after one clash with Sidious. That's not something I imagine a willpower 6 power doing.

Cha: Again, no one. You could make a compelling case for Lando who seems like the guy who makes charming an artform, but then there were a lot of people who weren't swayed by his charms.

Hafthor Bjornsson is a 6 in Brawn. The dude lifts weights, eats 10k + calories a day, craps, and sleeps, that is all. That's what a 6 takes imo. Anyone else who has to multi task at all, or even do essentially more than 1 thing at max potential isn't a 6.

Generally agreed. I probably would state grievous to be the exception; largely because he was impossible to beat in a straight up punch up (Obi-Wan hurt himself just punching the guy and despite being heavy on the wounds and fairly decisively humbed, grevous thought he could take him) and that his physical body was basically a sack in an heavily enforced shell. E.g. he was purpose designed to be a war machine and was an exception to biological norms. All he did was cough, kill Jedi and frequently cackle as he scuttled off after being beaten up every other episode of clone wars.

2 hours ago, 2P51 said:

Hafthor Bjornsson is a 6 in Brawn. The dude lifts weights, eats 10k + calories a day, craps, and sleeps, that is all. That's what a 6 takes imo. Anyone else who has to multi task at all, or even do essentially more than 1 thing at max potential isn't a 6.

If that’s the case, you’d think that an Abyssin could reach that level of strength with half the effort.

6 hours ago, 2P51 said:

No one, because they are actual characters and not some lame *** min/maxer making a dice pool instead of a character.....

I get what you're saying here, but still it seems to me that we see some characters in the movies who are larger than life, with abilities in their specialties beyond what even a min maxed PC could achieve. Palpatine being probably the clearest example.

I dont think we have seen a 6 in the movies. Palps i see as a 5 cunning.

7 hours ago, LordBritish said:

Intellect: Thrawn most definitively is the definition of a tactician; who is so into his int that he seems to lack actual people skills, which backfires on him on at least a couple of occasions.

Definitely. Given that it's also the stat which would 'power' Knowledge: Art, I think he's definitely justified in 'superhuman' if not 'perfect' int, but cunning and presence, whilst good, are more normal.

7 hours ago, LordBritish said:

Brawn: Grevious is a firm 6, his body is incredibly powerful and tough, it is arguably his only real defining characteristic aside from being a leader.

Definitely. Given that a magnaguard was brawn 5 in the initial FaD beta draft, grievous as a 6 is not unreasonable at all.

16 hours ago, Yaccarus said:

So basically, Palpatine is just too good right now.

I also appreciate that listing his characteristics will end in a 666.

Glad someone caught that!

Yep. I think it fits with Sidious's stats, and it has the added bonus of being thematic.

Snoke should probably be a 6 Willpower, given how bad a job Rey does of resisting all his Move power checks. This might actually be the clearest case of a 6 score in the movies. Don't know why I didn't think of it earlier.

Edited by DaverWattra

I feel like a Wookiee with 6 is gonna be stronger than a Chadra Fan with 6. So for me those 6's are not static among all characters and are dependent on things. Like for instance if you got to 6 because of the Force, or drugs, or something.

Are a lot of you guys having characters get to 6? I would like to know what the probs of success are for a character with a 6 Characteristic and like 5 in the skill against Hard difficulty.

A win

Often with many success and like a triumph couple times a session

5 hours ago, Archlyte said:

Are a lot of you guys having characters get to 6? I would like to know what the probs of success are for a character with a 6 Characteristic and like 5 in the skill against Hard difficulty.

91% success, and yeah, strong odds for advantage and triumph.

http://game2.ca/eote/?montecarlo=100000#proficiency=5&ability=1&difficulty=3

Never tell me the odds!

6 hours ago, Archlyte said:

I feel like a Wookiee with 6 is gonna be stronger than a Chadra Fan with 6. So for me those 6's are not static among all characters and are dependent on things.

I'm not sure I agree here - certainly they wouldn't look the same, but if the ephemeral measurement for raw strength is Brawn, and the characters are rated equally, then there is little room for argument here. How they got there is an interesting story, but RAW doesn't provide any differentiating mechanics I am aware of. Now, what you are saying does make sense after a certain fashion - surely an 8' wookiee and a 3' chadra-fan are just not built the same. Fortunately we are allowed to fly fancy free with the rules, and I see few problems in imposing setback dice due to Silhouette where applicable.

22 minutes ago, themensch said:

I'm not sure I agree here - certainly they wouldn't look the same, but if the ephemeral measurement for raw strength is Brawn, and the characters are rated equally, then there is little room for argument here. How they got there is an interesting story, but RAW doesn't provide any differentiating mechanics I am aware of. Now, what you are saying does make sense after a certain fashion - surely an 8' wookiee and a 3' chadra-fan are just not built the same. Fortunately we are allowed to fly fancy free with the rules, and I see few problems in imposing setback dice due to Silhouette where applicable.

No you are right that the rules don't differentiate it, but for me I had to decide if the smaller folk could never get a 6 or if they are just different. So I kind of did the opposite thing and said mechanically it's the same, but narrative-wise it's different.

On 5/28/2018 at 2:12 AM, TheShard said:

Cunning 6 is fo sho the emperor.

Anakin would be 6 agility or even 7 but only because of force enhance. He's nowhere near a natural 6.

Yoda is probably a 6 in will, so was kao cen darach. Emperor was probably a 6 too.

Builder of the death star... I forgot his name, but he probably has at least a 5 in intelligence.

Chewie is a str 4 probably. Han might have had a 5 in agility, maybe 6 at the end, look at that 70 year han solo juke and dive like a young man! That's probably stretching it.

Jabba had near 6, but more like 5 will probably. I dont think he was a very cunning hutt though. Probably a 4.

Thrawn probably had a 6 ranks in knowledge warefare but I'm not convinced he'd be int 6, 4 sure maybe 5 possibly.

Luke at the end had discipline 6, though I'm not sure his will was more than 4.

Rey is probably Will 4 or 5, will hit 6 by then end of the trilogy. She's a niman, ascetic, and she's gonna pick up another fr+2 spec at the end. That's why she's so mary sue. So that's what fr 6 looks like.

Qui zux from legends probably had 6 intelligence.

Xizor probably had a 6 in presence, probably 5 in cunning.

That's all i can think of right now...

On 5/28/2018 at 8:57 AM, Yaccarus said:

Bevel Lemelisk

On 5/28/2018 at 5:47 PM, Dayham said:

Galen Erso

Well the original design was Poggle the Lesser, but then the technology behind the conversion and focusing of kyber crystal energy (aka the Death Star Laser) was Galen Erso. Definitely a 6. Bevel was Legends, I don’t know if he was ever included in canon but I could see them recycling him somehow, the Death Star project involved thousands of people and hundreds of locations.