So, in Solo, we have seen the Falcon transform from the pristine ship of the promotional material into the old piece of junk we are familiar with.
The question is? Will the Scum version be the pretty one, or more the more classic looking one?
I'm also looking forward to the new pilots as well.
L3, Lando and Han all pilot the Falcon, and there is space for Qi'ra, Beckett, Chewie, Lando, L3 and Han crew as well. Although I suspect we won't see them all.
I think, if they designed it after seeing the film, that we will get Han, Lando, and L3 as pilots with skill in that order. Qi'ra and Chewie as crew, and Beckett as a gunner. To capitalize on the new film they would likely release a 'Lando clean Falcon' to help separate it from the Rebel and Resistance variants. I could also see some stat differences based off the fact that the Rebel Falcon is a Modified YT-1300 whereas aside from the escape pod and some added panels it seems that the Solo Falcon is a stock YT-1300. Speaking of, it would be amazing if FFG could actually make it so that the escape craft could be removed from the Solo Falcon model, just to give us choice but could be incorporated into a pilot ability or the Scum Falcon's title.
Edited by AnimewarsdudeAfter seeing the movie and looking at how the Dev's are shoring up the faction identities, I doubt it'll be a scum ship at all if it makes it to the game.
Scum has quite a few large based ship options, I don't see them popping the Falcon in there.
That said, I'll have fun flying it if they do
3 hours ago, Rat of Vengence said:Scum has quite a few large based ship options, I don't see them popping the Falcon in there.
That said, I'll have fun flying it if they do
Saying that but a few of scums big base ships have gone down to medium bases in 2.0 such as IG88s and Firespray which only leaves Yv Pursuit Class and the Jumpmaster. So there could become space for it?
14 minutes ago, Dengars Toilet Paper said:Saying that but a few of scums big base ships have gone down to medium bases in 2.0 such as IG88s and Firespray which only leaves Yv Pursuit Class and the Jumpmaster. So there could become space for it?
You may have apoint here, only 3 ships are big scum in 2.0., but that is already quite a few big ships compared to the other factions.
How many in other factions you ask? Rebels : 3 (YT-1300, YT-2400, VCX-100). Empire : 2 (Lambda-Class Shuttle, VT-49 Decimator).
Edited by NilsTillander1 hour ago, NilsTillander said:You may have apoint here, only 3 ships are big scum in 2.0., but that is already quite a few big ships compared to the other factions.
How many in other factions you ask? Rebels : 3 (YT-1300, YT-2400, VCX-100). Empire : 2 (Lambda-Class Shuttle, VT-49 Decimator).
Fair point but I would think Scum should have the most medium and large base ships as most Smugglers have their own ship to carry crew, cargo and other items. Rebels and Imps have huge ships that then release masses of small ships like X wings and y wings or TIEs. I'm not says scum don't have this as they do but in alot smaller varaity as I mean theirs Black Sun and other Crime Lords but for the majority it's every One for themselves.
If this was 1.0 then I think the scum falcon would definitely be coming out as scum was behind in ships but now with first order and resistance it is more balanced between Imps Rebels and scum so I would guess they would want to catch up with FO and Res first and buy that time will they even bother?
So now I think it's anyone's guess if they do I think it will definitely earn ? because who doesn't want even more Falcons! But I would understand if they didn't because they already have Large base ships and FO and resistance need ships more now.
If they release it for Scum though, I wonder if they would include a Han pilot for that. Since they are trying to do more faction identity I would think he would be Rebel/Resistance. But I suppose they could make a scum version and also do the full Sabine treatment and release Han in a TIE fighter as well since he spend 3 years in the Empire. "Fat" Han in a TIE would be humorous
I would have thought that a Scum Falcon would be a sure thing, but after the delay in its announcement and the failure of Solo 's opening, I'm beginning to think that it's less and less likely.
Failure? The weekend isn't even over.
Let's not "call it" prematurely.
2 minutes ago, Force Majeure said:Failure? The weekend isn't even over.
Let's not "call it" prematurely.
I've yet to see an optimistic article on the subject. I guess it could magically double its numbers to meet its expectations today, but I doubt it.
https://www.screendaily.com/news/china-box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-flops/5129680.article
https://lrmonline.com/news/did-solo-a-star-wars-story-just-flop-in-its-opening-weekend/
Edited by Alpha17It's unfortunate if it is considered a bomb. Because even if it is a bomb financially speaking, it was not even close to being a bomb as a film in my opinion. I liked it almost as much as Rogue One.
18 hours ago, BVRCH said:After seeing the movie and looking at how the Dev's are shoring up the faction identities, I doubt it'll be a scum ship at all if it makes it to the game.
After seeing the movie, I don't want to see anything from that movie into the game. Maybe one of those oddball TIE Fighters but absolutely not the beaked nose falcon.
17 hours ago, Rat of Vengence said:Scum has quite a few large based ship options, I don't see them popping the Falcon in there.
That said, I'll have fun flying it if they do
To be perfectly honest, Ep IV Han shouldn't really be in the rebellion at all.
4 minutes ago, Marinealver said:After seeing the movie, I don't want to see anything from that movie into the game. Maybe one of those oddball TIE Fighters but absolutely not the beaked nose falcon.
I see no need in another falcon. Its not different enough from the other 2 and I can't see it being a Scum ship so I doubt we'll see it in game. That being said if they are to release movie ships, they literally only have the Falcon and the Heavy TIE to choose from.
I'd really like to see the Heavy TIE in the game though.
32 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:To be perfectly honest, Ep IV Han shouldn't really be in the rebellion at all.
You do make a good point; in EpIV Han was about as Rebel as Fett was Imperial in EpV.
34 minutes ago, BVRCH said:I see no need in another falcon. Its not different enough from the other 2 and I can't see it being a Scum ship so I doubt we'll see it in game. That being said if they are to release movie ships, they literally only have the Falcon and the Heavy TIE to choose from.
I'd really like to see the Heavy TIE in the game though.
Our introduction to Han
He is found in a "most wretched hive of scum and villainy"
Is literally a smuggler
Stonecold murders a guy without breaking a sweat
Is doing it for the money
Doesn't care about the rebellion, he comes back to save the day because he kinda wants to bone Leia.
He flies a specially modified ship that is uniquely outfitted for smuggling and evading patrols.
Really, I see no reason for him to be in Scum. /s
4 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:Our introduction to Han
He is found in a "most wretched hive of scum and villainy"Is literally a smuggler
Stonecold murders a guy without breaking a sweat
Is doing it for the money
Doesn't care about the rebellion, he comes back to save the day because he kinda wants to bone Leia.
He flies a specially modified ship that is uniquely outfitted for smuggling and evading patrols.
Really, I see no reason for him to be in Scum. /s
16 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:Our introduction to Han
He is found in a "most wretched hive of scum and villainy"Is literally a smuggler
Stonecold murders a guy without breaking a sweat
Is doing it for the money
Doesn't care about the rebellion, he comes back to save the day because he kinda wants to bone Leia.
He flies a specially modified ship that is uniquely outfitted for smuggling and evading patrols.
Really, I see no reason for him to be in Scum. /s
He is an icon of rebellion in general, not just the alliance. Have you seen Solo yet? (I don't want to spoil anything for anyone so I won't discuss)
He killed when he needed to do so to survive. He helps when he doesn't have to, or knows he's not necessarily going to get anything out of it. He is inherently good. There is a big difference between a lawbreaker and a villain.
19 minutes ago, BVRCH said:He is an icon of rebellion in general, not just the alliance. Have you seen Solo yet? (I don't want to spoil anything for anyone so I won't discuss)
He killed when he needed to do so to survive. He helps when he doesn't have to, or knows he's not necessarily going to get anything out of it. He is inherently good. There is a big difference between a lawbreaker and a villain.
I have. I'm not saying he is evil.
But faction wise, he should belong to Scum until ep 5, and back again to Scum after ep 6.
By the time of TFA, he is back at smuggling.
its almost as if a scum faction didnt exist until halfway through X-wings life.
I understand why he wasn't made scum first. But I think he has more place there.
1 hour ago, Commander Kaine said:I have. I'm not saying he is evil.
But faction wise, he should belong to Scum until ep 5, and back again to Scum after ep 6.
By the time of TFA, he is back at smuggling.
There is a particular conversation between Han and Qi'Ra in the film that epitomizes his character for me. I won't say which one for the sake of spoilers but if you remember it, you'll probably know the one I'm talking about.
To quote the man himself; "That's not how the force works"
The difference to me is; unlike someone like Boba Fett who will do anything for money (he literally helped the bad buys for a bit of cash, just like his Dad), Han has his own agenda; and whilst he seems selfish, his motives are usually benevolent.
Bossk for example; is a ruthless bounty hunter and mercenary that has no empathy for anyone and will literally kill any innocents that get in the way of the contract. His species are slavers and hunt sentient beings for sport. He is a very suitable Scum and Villainy character. That roughly sums up almost all of the characters a part of the faction so far.
Han does what he needs to survive; that includes his smuggling mind you. He doesn't put people in harms way (friends or strangers) unless he knows they're about to do the same to him. He is a good guy in a bad place, unlike the rest of Scum who might not be the 'bad guys' per se in regards to the story, but they are definitely bad guys in general.
Another example is Saw Gerrera (an better example in my eyes). Whilst he does some horrible things and is a borderline psycho, he is a zealot for a good cause. He fights for the common good and stands up for those who can't fight for themselves. He is a good guy with questionable methods. Saw rebels against the Empire itself whereas Han rebels against a life within the Empire.
Good and evil are points of perspective of course. The empire would argue all rebels are terrorists, but to get back to the point Han is inherently good, and inherently good characters don't fit the brand of Scum simply because they are a smuggler or the like.
Edited by BVRCH8 minutes ago, BVRCH said:There is a particular conversation between Han and Qi'Ra in the film that epitomizes his character for me. I won't say which one for the sake of spoilers but if you remember it, you'll probably know the one I'm talking about.
To quote the man himself; "That's not how the force works"
The difference to me is; unlike someone like Boba Fett who will do anything for money (he literally helped the bad buys for a bit of cash, just like his Dad), Han has his own agenda; and whilst he seems selfish, his motives are usually benevolent.
Bossk for example; is a ruthless bounty hunter and mercenary that has no empathy for anyone and will literally kill any innocents that get in the way of the contract. His species are slavers and hunt sentient beings for sport. He is a very suitable Scum and Villainy character. That roughly sums up almost all of the characters a part of the faction so far.
Han does what he needs to survive; that includes his smuggling mind you. He doesn't put people in harms way (friends or strangers) unless he knows they're about to do the same to him. He is a good guy in a bad place, unlike the rest of Scum who might not be the 'bad guys' per se in regards to the story, but they are definitely bad guys in general.
Another example is Saw Gerrera (an better example in my eyes). Whilst he does some horrible things and is a borderline psycho, he is a zealot for a good cause. He fights for the common good and stands up for those who can't fight for themselves. He is a good guy with questionable methods. Saw rebels against the Empire itself whereas Han rebels against a life within the Empire.
Good and evil are points of perspective of course. The empire would argue all rebels are terrorists, but to get back to the point Han is inherently good, and inherently good characters don't fit the brand of Scum simply because they are a smuggler or the like.
Well, one thing, I marked the thread for spoilers, so you can go ahead.
Second... I'm not gonna get into a long argument about morality, because I'm slacking enough at work as it is, but... it ain't that simple, and nowhere I said that scum has to be evil. In fact, they shouldn't. Morally ambiguous characters like Han would be great to see. Aphra isn't really evil either, at least I didn't get that impression. I'm sure if I think I can get some more. Hondo?
Also... Lando is definitely scum... He only joins up by 6. And he ain't evil either.
20 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:Well, one thing, I marked the thread for spoilers, so you can go ahead.
Second... I'm not gonna get into a long argument about morality, because I'm slacking enough at work as it is, but... it ain't that simple, and nowhere I said that scum has to be evil. In fact, they shouldn't. Morally ambiguous characters like Han would be great to see. Aphra isn't really evil either, at least I didn't get that impression. I'm sure if I think I can get some more. Hondo?
Also... Lando is definitely scum... He only joins up by 6. And he ain't evil either.
Of course, well its the scene where he's looking all smug etc. and she says, "I know something about you noone else does" "You're the good guy" etc. He has the facade of the cool, carefree swindler, but deep down he does care.
It is that simple, in terms of the game. They want to shore up the faction identities so he has to be in one, and as an iconic Rebel, he's been left in the Rebellion.
I agree that Scum don't have to be evil either, but I completely disagree that Han is morally ambiguous. Aphra and Lando are morally ambiguous I concur and would fit Scum, but Han and Chewie are not. That is exactly the point I'm making. Those characters do essentially the same thing in Star Wars, and are similar in many ways, but differ vastly in terms of their moral character, loyalty etc. as well as their relationships with characters that are firmly in one camp or the other.