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" Brucecampbell May 25, 2018

This review contains spoilers. You are here probably wondering if Han Solo got emasculated and ruined as a character even more. The answer is a resounding yes. His name now has a origin that is lamer than anything you could imagine. He is alone when he signs up for the Empire, says his name is Han so the Empire names him Han Solo. He gets bossed around most of the movie by women, there is a disturbing dong to dong shower scene with Han and Chewbacca (no I 'm not kidding). The new droid is a fem1nist from **** and the most annoying thing ever seen in Star Wars and Lando who gets more feminine throughout the movie loves it. Basically this is just another Kathleen Kennedy propaganda film where they strategically try to remove any masculinity from legacy characters. All women in the movie are more masculine than Han. They are all more intelligent and more confident than Han. Oh and yes there is a Darth Maul cameo that has no resolution and it's comical when he fired up a lightsaber for no reason. Enfys Nest is a 16 year old girl rebel who is basically Rey without the force, so even more ridiculous. Avoid if you liked Star Wars. Go see if you hate men and hated the original Star Wars and are glad to endorse the destruction of the franchise. Also highly recommended for kids if you want to damage your son and give him low self esteem. The only reason I didn't rate it a zero is most of these review sites consider scores like that "trolling". It deserves a 0 though. Star Wars is simply dead. Read the Thrawn Trilogy instead and just give up on Disney Star Wars. Collapse "

The trolls are priceless

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

The trolls are priceless

Dear god I wouldn’t even know where to start trying to reply to the utter ridiculousness of that “review”...

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HaVoK308 May 25, 2018

Repulsive. SJW trash. Disney is intentionally destroying the Star Wars franchise. There is no other conclusion to make. They blatantly spit in their customers face. Mock them, insult them, falsely label them. All in the name of some disfunctional world view. To corrupt the minds of the youth is the new agenda, and their willing to lose millions to do it. Disney can be sure of this, they won’t get another penny from me. Collapse

There are literally all over the place, I have yet to see any real negative review which is not about …frightened insecure men complaining about the bad feminist. The fandom feels completely alienating and outlandish. Well, or at least that particular corner of it.

I will add to the pile. I was actually really entertained and everyone with me enjoyed it too. Nothing bad to say. Too bad it seems to be doing poorly in the box office. But straight up I think TLJ really screwed this movies chances of doing better then it is. And as an observation that makes 2 for 2 of the individual movies that I liked. Can't stand the new trilogy so far.

I really liked it. I liked that most of the references were verbal, spoken off the cuff and not in your face "take you out of the story for a few moments" like the main characters literally running into Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba in Rogue One. Also some fairly obscure stuff like the Tiras Kasi mention.

I initially thought that Beckett wearing the same disguise that Lando wears in Return of the Jedi was silly, but after thinking about it it actually makes sense. That might be Lando's go-to disguise for infiltrating various hives of scum and villainy. Maybe Beckett got it from the Falcon and then much later, when Lando, Leia and Chewie take the Falcon to Tatooine to launch the mission to rescue Han, they pulled it out of storage again.

Also, Maul! I really hope Disney doesn't drop the ball; I want the next Solo movie to be full of Maul's syndicate versus the Hutt Cartels with Han caught in the middle. They set it up very nicely, now they just need to follow through.

Also also, this movie isn't going to lose money. That's ridiculous. It might not take it in hand over fist like Force Awakens but it'll turn a profit. It's good, and word of mouth from trusted friends and acquaintances will get people who put off seeing it right away into theaters over the coming weeks. The people hoping to see this movie fail because "change bad and diversity terrible buh!" are going to be disappointed.

On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 11:57 PM, Sasajak said:

This film has changed what the Star Wars universe means to me. It is a much darker and depressing galaxy than I ever imagined - poverty, slavery, oppression in abundance. What gets me is these things seem deeply grained and haven’t happened since the rise of the Empire. So what were the Jedi or Republic doing for 1,000 years? Quite why the Rebellion formed with the aim of restoring the Republic is now beyond me. It appears it was just a less bad Empire for the masses - is the Alliance based on proganda and lies? This film had no “hope” in it and left me feeling depressed. Maybe that was the point? Or maybe I’m too idealistic?

Ehhhh...the Star Wars setting has always been a bit bleak. (Especially compared to classic Trek, anyway). I mean, it's a setting where religious extremists are practically idolized. Mind-control to win arguments is acceptable. Slavery is commonplace and accepted, with multiple organized crime cartels literally running entire planets. Even from the 1977 movie that was clear.

Of course, that also makes it a very fertile ground for story-telling. What kind of people can still want to, and try to, do good when everything around them is resisting that.

On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 7:59 PM, markcsoul said:

Unless they decide to make a THIRD falcon model, no new ships to add to X-wing from the movie with the one exception of the new TIE model.

I'd be sort of surprised if FFG doesn't. I mean, this Falcon looks more different from the classic movie version than the TFA Falcon is.

And keep in mind that, as of 2nd edition, all three Falcons will be in different factions anyway (Scum, Rebel, and Resistance).

That said, we don't exactly get many pilots for it - Beckett and Qi'Ra clearly (and specifically indicated in dialog) don't know how to fly at all. So...Han, Chewie, Lando, and L3-37 seem to be the only pilots for it.

2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

There are literally all over the place, I have yet to see any real negative review which is not about …frightened insecure men complaining about the bad feminist. The fandom feels completely alienating and outlandish. Well, or at least that particular corner of it.

LOL - well I guess we know what the Russian trollbots are doing with their time when they aren't screwing up our elections, ROFL....

Just got back myself. The amazing thing that was Star Wars is slowly dying in my mind. Regrettably, this film continues that trend.

If it was NOT a SW film, it would be bashed for being unimaginitive and flavourless. They took a vanilla story and jammed it with as many references to the SW universe as possible .. to the point of being laughable.

L3 (<3) was terrible. K2SO was too ‘human’. L3 was ... look, the whole L3 character and revolt piece was truly cringeworthy.

Admittedly, I did feel something when Chewy took the co-pilot chair for the first time.

I wanted to like this film .. but the best part was when we could smell an acrid burning plastic smell in the cinema, they paused the film, turned on the lights and gave us a free ticket while they searched for the cause.

This film reinforces my belief that existing SW characters are more interesting off screen. Leave them alone and explore other stories from the universe! It’s a big galaxy with a broad time line!

Stay with me ..

The OT gave us lots of little invitations to emotionally invest into the universe. Eg. “The bounty hunter we ran into at Ore Mandell”, Jabba and Han’s relationship, Lando and Han’s relationship, etc. We filled these gaps ourselves with stories relevant and interesting to us. We now are emotionally invested in the universe because we created part of it.

The EU, prequels and Solo take this away from us. They don’t add value to our SW canon. Instead, they de-authenticate our own stories and decrease the caliber of our personal emotional investment.

I maintain that existing characters are therefore more interesting off screen. Additionally, look at R1. Whilst still taking its share of abuse seems to (based on ratings listed in these forums) rank higher than ROTJ and almost always higher than the Prequels/Sequels.

For this reason, I’d be more than happy to NEVER see a Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc film. It’s a big universe .. let’s explore some other elements of it.

Only one thing that I hated about this movie. Ron Howard just had to put his ******* brother in the movie, just like he always does.

Otherwise, I thought it was pretty good.

Loved the movie, thought it was a lot of fun and loved the nods to the lore. Definitely seeing it again!

18 hours ago, Sasajak said:

Yes Tatooine is a backwater, lawless planet. I expect those things on the fringe of civilisation, as we see on our own planet. I never thought Correlia, what I considered a wealthy core world, to have degenerated to the level of an outer rim world so quickly. I can only think of two reasons for this

1. The Republic was a useless form of government that didn’t enforce it laws, even on core worlds, over a millennium of existence and/or
2. The Empire in less than a decade or so managed to dismantle all the Republic’s work - perhaps with Sidious in charge this was possible

Maybe I’m a naive optimist to think it. Perhaps Star Trek is more my thing ?

I think there are a few other ways to view what we see of Corellia in Solo :

(1) After the Empire takes over, it's a rough transition in local power structures. Being a core shipyard, Corellia probably gets the earliest attention of the Core Systems after the Empire's initial rise. Their moving into the system destabilizes it's local authority/authorities, and the Empire's focus on material production probably leaves a real power and resource vacuum for the citizens, especially those furthest removed from the manufacturing processes. Han notes his father "used to" work on a line that made the YT-series starships, but maybe after the Empire moves in they repurpose production lines to build ships for the Imperial navy. Maybe the Falcon is an old hunk of junk because the YT series hasn't had any new ships produced after the Empire's occupation?

(2) Corellia has always been a bleak and generally miserable industrial world. When the Empire forms, maybe they just move in (or co-opt) local security forces. This would explain why folks might be so amenable to joining the Empire to get away from the life available on Corellia, whereas if (1) were true you'd expect them to be a lot more distrusting of the Empire.

(3) Corellia is really diverse. We only see a tiny snippet of Corellia, a small seedy and underprivliged neighborhood where Han lives. But Corellia is a huge planet , and other parts of the planet might be radically different. For instance, maybe parts of Corellia are like the most economically depressed neighborhoods of Flint, MI while other parts of Corellia are like Bel Aire. Corellia might still be a generally nice, lawful place but perhaps Han's experiences are limited to a "rough side of the tracks" sort of neighborhood where a criminal gang has greater influence than the official authorities.



In my own head-canon, I'm going with something like (3) as it nicely preserves my own 'classical views' of Corellia while still allowing for Han's deprived and difficult upbringing.

The best Solo review on the internet, I agreed with everything that has been said:

8 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

Yeah... But aren't you? Hitler loved the prequels.

Ehm. Well this is awkward.

Heeeey, I put up a **** of a fight with you, none of us won that one.

Difference between you and this guy is I quite like you as an individual

I couldn't wait until tomorrow as originally planned, so I went today. I have a ticket for tomorrow too though haha. I thought it was definitely better than I had expected based on all the negative hype, even though said negative hype was based more on a boycott motive than any true reflection of the film itself. The average "casual" Star Wars fan might consider it a mediocre popcorn flick at it's worst or a fun ride at it's best. I think some of the bigger Star Wars nerds ( myself included ) will more appreciate the additional fan service. Lot's of name dropping and little details ( Teras Kasi anyone ? ) to geek out over. Little tidbits that kind of work to bridge the gaps between the eras and connect dots between the films, comics, and animated series. I liked that. The Bossk name drop made me say "noice" in my head. It's not perfection, but in some respects it's the Star Wars movie that I always wanted but never 'quite' got until now; A true wild west space opera chock full of scoundrels, gamblers, pirates, and outlaws on the run.

Oddly enough... Han, Lando, and Chewie were not the characters that left the biggest impression on me. Not that they were bad by any means ( I enjoyed them ), but Tobias Becket ( Woody Harrelson's character ) turned out to be the quintessential "gun-slinging scoundrel" in my opinion. And Paul Bettany was a thoroughly convincing crime boss; elegant and cultured yet unnerving and psychopathic when employees don't follow through. In a movie that some critics will say is "safe and predictable" I was pleasantly surprised to find interest in characters that I was not expecting to.

I'm not sure how some people can say there are no real memorable moments. There are plenty that stick out to me as I type this. I laughed out loud in the theatre when Lando had his "Screw this" moment and just flew off in the Falcon when Han was trying to smooth talk the marauders lol.

I'm seeing it again tomorrow because I already pre-ordered the tickets, but I'm not complaining. I thought it was fun and scum & villainy AF!

4 hours ago, acesandeights said:

Only one thing that I hated about this movie. Ron Howard just had to put his ******* brother in the movie, just like he always does.

Otherwise, I thought it was pretty good.

He was in the movie for maybe 2 minutes and you never see or hear about the character again. That totally ruins a over 2 hour movie.

7 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

There are literally all over the place, I have yet to see any real negative review which is not about …frightened insecure men complaining about the bad feminist. The fandom feels completely alienating and outlandish. Well, or at least that particular corner of it.

No kidding dude. I once thought we were better than Trekkies. The most amazing part is you've got a PLETHORA of fans who would make jokes like "Soylo, a soywars story" or "nuhh, kathleen kennedy agenduaaaauuuhhh" but...

You know what's super not masculine? Screaming about your masculinity being threatened. The irony of it just, constantly leaves me in utter disbelief.

3 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

No kidding dude. I once thought we were better than Trekkies. The most amazing part is you've got a PLETHORA of fans who would make jokes like "Soylo, a soywars story" or "nuhh, kathleen kennedy agenduaaaauuuhhh" but...

You know what's super not masculine? Screaming about your masculinity being threatened. The irony of it just, constantly leaves me in utter disbelief.

But mah masculinitah!!!!

Just now, Commander Kaine said:

But mah masculinitah!!!!

I'M AFRAID OF SCARY WOMEN TAKING IT AWAY FROM ME! NAAHRRRURGGGHHHHNNAAAUUUH!

It's crazy! I can't imagine feeling so threatened by ideas!

I'll start of by saying I hated TLJ. I think it's my least favourite SW film and although it may be better with another viewing, I actively don't want to see it again. Just to make that position clear following some of the discussion on this thread. I hate the fact that people are ******** on this movie because of it - or because of some perceived SJW agenda. OH NO, WOMEN DO THINGS!

On that note, I thought Solo was pretty good. Not fantastic, but certainly enjoyable and watchable. I'd rate it after the originals, TFA and RO, but that's not because it was bad, just... not as good.

Positives:

I thought there were loads of things in there for Star Wars fans. Lots of well handled references - VCX, Bossk, Eamon Azzameen, Warwick Davis etc. Nothing that detracted from the movie, but actually added to the universe.

I liked how it was viewed from the 'Scum' side of the universe. Although I came out disappointed not to have things like Rebels vs Empire, space battles, the force etc, I thought it showed a good, different perspective to the universe. Added lots of things.

Acting was generally solid. Woody Harrelson is always good; Glover got the Lando voice down amazingly. Clark did well and Paul Bettany is a brilliant actor. The guy playing Han wasn't perfect, but he was never gonna be. I think he did the best he could in an impossible role. There were moments were he was the splitting image of Han from the OT in looks and in character. Really impressed with how they made a wookie look young.

I liked the plot, in general. A little convoluted/contrived/too many steps, but it worked. Nothing really felt forced and although the double cross at the end was a bit predictable, I thought it worked well. I liked the Maul reveal - although I accept that

Negatives:

Really, the biggest complaint I have is that it squeezed a lot of Han's backstory into the first 2 days of his life as a smuggler - meets Chewie, meets Lando, gets the Falcon, gets his gun, goes to work for Jabba and completes the Kessel Run. We didn't need all of that in one movie. Pick one thing and go with that. One of the few things it needed to do and didn't, was explain Han's Corellian Bloodstripes.

Didn't like L3 - her character was silly and unnecessary and the humour didn't really land. I was glad she bought it early on. I do, however, appreciate it more no it's been pointed out she's being laughed at.

Maul works well - IF your a SW fan. Too many people will come out and go 'I thought he was chopped in half and chucked down a well'. Or 'who?'

Needs a sequel now. Maybe not a Solo one, but certainly a Maul or Qi're one.

Overall, probably a 7/10. I really good Space Cowboy/heist movie.

13 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Maybe the Falcon is an old hunk of junk because the YT series hasn't had any new ships produced after the Empire's occupation?

VCX-100 is a much newer CEC ship.

And well, Corellia is referenced by outsiders as well as a place no one wants to go back. So it seems to be more of a planet wide thing.

Just now, The Penguin UK said:

I'll start of by saying I hated TLJ. I think it's my least favourite SW film and although it may be better with another viewing, I actively don't want to see it again. Just to make that position clear following some of the discussion on this thread. I hate the fact that people are ******** on this movie because of it - or because of some perceived SJW agenda. OH NO, WOMEN DO THINGS!

On that note, I thought Solo was pretty good. Not fantastic, but certainly enjoyable and watchable. I'd rate it after the originals, TFA and RO, but that's not because it was bad, just... not as good.

Positives:

I thought there were loads of things in there for Star Wars fans. Lots of well handled references - VCX, Bossk, Eamon Azzameen, Warwick Davis etc. Nothing that detracted from the movie, but actually added to the universe.

I liked how it was viewed from the 'Scum' side of the universe. Although I came out disappointed not to have things like Rebels vs Empire, space battles, the force etc, I thought it showed a good, different perspective to the universe. Added lots of things.

Acting was generally solid. Woody Harrelson is always good; Glover got the Lando voice down amazingly. Clark did well and Paul Bettany is a brilliant actor. The guy playing Han wasn't perfect, but he was never gonna be. I think he did the best he could in an impossible role. There were moments were he was the splitting image of Han from the OT in looks and in character. Really impressed with how they made a wookie look young.

I liked the plot, in general. A little convoluted/contrived/too many steps, but it worked. Nothing really felt forced and although the double cross at the end was a bit predictable, I thought it worked well. I liked the Maul reveal - although I accept that

Negatives:

Really, the biggest complaint I have is that it squeezed a lot of Han's backstory into the first 2 days of his life as a smuggler - meets Chewie, meets Lando, gets the Falcon, gets his gun, goes to work for Jabba and completes the Kessel Run. We didn't need all of that in one movie. Pick one thing and go with that. One of the few things it needed to do and didn't, was explain Han's Corellian Bloodstripes.

Didn't like L3 - her character was silly and unnecessary and the humour didn't really land. I was glad she bought it early on. I do, however, appreciate it more no it's been pointed out she's being laughed at.

Maul works well - IF your a SW fan. Too many people will come out and go 'I thought he was chopped in half and chucked down a well'. Or 'who?'

Needs a sequel now. Maybe not a Solo one, but certainly a Maul or Qi're one.

Overall, probably a 7/10. I really good Space Cowboy/heist movie.

You've pretty much summed up my opinions as well. I really liked L3 though, but I guess I kinda like it when droids are quirky and have too much attitude, whether its 3PO being a coward/socially oblivious nerd in the OT or K2SO being a sarcastic know-it-all in Rogue One, or (even though they lay it on a bit heavy sometimes) the homicidal droids from the comics and the KOTOR series.

I think it also touched on an interesting point in the Star Wars universe: Just where do droids fit in, exactly? After the hyperspace kamikaze scene in TLJ, a lot of people said that droid-piloted ships could be an effective weapon. Leaving the rest of that argument aside, are droids automatically less valuable than organic species? They're clearly sentient, they feel pain, have a sense of their own mortality and identity, and that's only going off the OT movies. Right in the first scenes with C3PO and R2 D2 the droids are expressing emotion, frustration, fear, courage... it definitely makes sense IMO for there to be concern about droid rights in some circles in the Star Wars universe, and naturally droids themselves would be a part of that.

And I like how the idea was raised, but in a very lighthearted way that allowed us to enjoy the character without making her into a joke. Yes, she was silly and over the top, but she wasn't a caricature of the hyperbolic SJW of internet infamy, designed to deride people interested in human rights or equality. At least, I didn't see it that way. Droids are often used as metaphors for racial inequality in sci-fi and I think L3 was gently poking fun at that trope and doing it in a way that the audience could laugh about it without feeling bad about it.

Anyway, that went on longer than I meant it to. Loved the movie, not the best Star Wars movie but a solid addition to the canon that I really enjoyed.

And before I go, are Corellian Bloodstripes still a thing? Or are they now just stripy pants that Han wore in the movies?

7 hours ago, Conandoodle said:

This film reinforces my belief that existing SW characters are more interesting off screen. Leave them alone and explore other stories from the universe! It’s a big galaxy with a broad time line!

Stay with me ..

The OT gave us lots of little invitations to emotionally invest into the universe. Eg. “The bounty hunter we ran into at Ore Mandell”, Jabba and Han’s relationship, Lando and Han’s relationship, etc. We filled these gaps ourselves with stories relevant and interesting to us. We now are emotionally invested in the universe because we created part of it.

The EU, prequels and Solo take this away from us. They don’t add value to our SW canon. Instead, they de-authenticate our own stories and decrease the caliber of our personal emotional investment.

I maintain that existing characters are therefore more interesting off screen. Additionally, look at R1. Whilst still taking its share of abuse seems to (based on ratings listed in these forums) rank higher than ROTJ and almost always higher than the Prequels/Sequels.

For this reason, I’d be more than happy to NEVER see a Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc film. It’s a big universe .. let’s explore some other elements of it.

While I enjoy the current movies, I would love to see more original characters. The setting is big enough to warrant it, but I understand enough why we don't get it.

2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

VCX-100 is a much newer CEC ship.

And well, Corellia is referenced by outsiders as well as a place no one wants to go back. So it seems to be more of a plant wide thing.

Outsiders in S&V. There a probably nice parts of Corellia for the entrenched elite.

Look at Coruscant: it's a lovely place if you live at the top (literally) of society but most of it is a cruel unforgiving underworld.

11 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

The trolls are priceless

This guys rant on strong women is a little ridiculous. Look at Leia from the original trilogy. She was tough and didn’t take any crap. Was she denigrating men when she saved Han, Luke, and Chewy on the death star prison level? Was she pushing a feminist agenda when she giving Han the business or fighting on Endor? Ugh.

3 hours ago, The Penguin UK said:

I thought there were loads of things in there for Star Wars fans. Lots of well handled references - VCX, Bossk, Eamon Azzameen, Warwick Davis etc. Nothing that detracted from the movie, but actually added to the universe...

I must have missed the Emon reference - when did that happen?