1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

Oh, wind your neck in, Hobo.

You understand that's not an argument right?

Attacking the person and not the argument belies your own stance not mine.

26 minutes ago, Forresto said:

You know what sold me on the movie, this exchange of dialogue between Han and Lando when they first met.

Lando : Han (A pronounced like in Hand)

Han : Its Han (A pronounced like in Lawn)

Then Moments later.

Han : What is this, Sabacc? (A pronounced like in Lawn)

Lando : Sabacc (A pronounced like in Hand)

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They insult each other by flipping pronunciation of things that are both sources of pride for each man, for Han that's his name, for Lando that's his gambling. Maybe i'm reading too much into it but that is clever writing.

Han and Lando are so well written in this film in a way that might take another viewing to totally absorb.

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That's why I hate, numerical ratings, they have no place in analysis of film.

Its lazy at worst and ambiguous at best.

How do you boil the complexity of art, of a project that has so many aspects and years of production down to a single, cold digit?

Well it's the only metric we have when talking about how much people did or did not enjoy a film.

2 hours ago, Forresto said:

There is Maul but that's a connection more to Clone Wars.

There's also whispers of Rebellion but it could be any of the hundreds of little rebellions throughout the galaxy, from Ryloth to Saw Gerrera. This is ten years before A New Hope and five years before Rebels so not even close to a direct connection.

That's about it.

I don't know what the other guy was on about them setting up a Rebels movie.

He's in his Rebel's get up, though. It is nice to see what he was doing between Mandalore and Malastare. I kind of want to see how he got onto the Inquisitor's radar.

Here is how I see Han being jaded.. he just spent three years trying to get back to Qi’ra, and is just now being betrayed and starting to be the Han we know.

As to giving the Coaxium.. he didn't really have much of a choice. If Enfys Nest and the marauders wanted to just take it they very well could have.

Now, with Han’s claim to fame being the whole kessel run in 12 parsecs, it seems he rides on this event’s coatails for 10 years - like a high scool quarterback talking about the big game as a defining point in their life, despite it not being anything of true merit. He is a braggart, fly by his pants sort of guy, that got lucky a few times but who’s life is just one of existence, not merit. It seems fitting to me.

Viewer rating implies that the rating comes from someone that as actually watched the movie. There are a number of ratings that clearly haven't seen the film.

28 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Well it's the only metric we have when talking about how much people did or did not enjoy a film.

I'd rather read a paragraph, even a short one, on someone's thoughts then a number for the same reason i'm more likely to listen to someone with a similar taste in movies.

I can digest what they did or didn't like about the film.

A number leads to interpretation.

Someone can give a movie a 5 because they hated Donald Glover as Lando but otherwise loved the film, but I won't know if they only put a number without explanation. So from my perspective I think the movie is awful when really they just had a particular qualm I may not share.

Numbers skew perception unreasonably ala those boycotting the film.

Numbers prevent even the barest, thoughtful analysis.

2 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Here is how I see Han being jaded.. he just spent three years trying to get back to Qi’ra, and is just now being betrayed and starting to be the Han we know.

As to giving the Coaxium.. he didn't really have much of a choice. If Enfys Nest and the marauders wanted to just take it they very well could have.

Now, with Han’s claim to fame being the whole kessel run in 12 parsecs, it seems he rides on this event’s coatails for 10 years - like a high scool quarterback talking about the big game as a defining point in their life, despite it not being anything of true merit. He is a braggart, fly by his pants sort of guy, that got lucky a few times but who’s life is just one of existence, not merit. It seems fitting to me.

Go check the quote from A New Hope. Han doesn't brag about himself in regards to the Kessel Run, he brags about the Falcon:

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less then 12 parsecs"

And then again in TFA Rey asks if this is really the ship that made the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs and he corrects her.

The 12 parsecs thing, at least on screen is always in relation to the Falcon's ability and speed.

Additionally based on the depiction of the event he still had negotiate an area of space people wouldn't even dare go in.

36 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

You understand that's not an argument right?

You haven't got an argument, only vitriol.

2 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

7 for critics it's average from viewers is more like a 5.

Exhibit A: That's not a "viewer score"; it's a "people who are airing their grieviances" score, just like you're doing. That score is more of a response to TLJ than it is a review for Solo.

Is 12 parsecs the speed or the distance traveled?

That was the only disappointing thing the movie didn't make obviously clear to someone as unobservant as I.

I presume that it was speed since they need to get the raw Coaxium to Slovene (or what is it called?) before it exploded.

However a parsec in real life pertains to distance.

Is it a combination?

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By the way, fuel solidly exists as a concept in Star Wars cinema now and i'm very happy. I was sick and tired of the arguments that the Last Jedi just pulled fuel out of its hat as part of a contrived storyline. Of course fuel exists, cold fission or any form of limitless energy doesn't exist in the universe.

11 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Is 12 parsecs the speed or the distance traveled?

I thought they were referring to it as time taken. IIRC Lando says no-one's done the Kessel Run in under 20 parsecs, before Han decides on the "short cut".

I took it as distance. Basically taking the normal and safe route is 20 parsecs. Any less distance has to be made up for bold flying through the maelstrom.

Soooo... how is the coaxium normally refined if it;s impossible to get it to the nearest refinery without flying through the maelstrom and nearly dying o_O

6 hours ago, Sasajak said:

Yes Tatooine is a backwater, lawless planet. I expect those things on the fringe of civilisation, as we see on our own planet. I never thought Correlia, what I considered a wealthy core world, to have degenerated to the level of an outer rim world so quickly. I can only think of two reasons for this

1. The Republic was a useless form of government that didn’t enforce it laws, even on core worlds, over a millennium of existence and/or
2. The Empire in less than a decade or so managed to dismantle all the Republic’s work - perhaps with Sidious in charge this was possible

Maybe I’m a naive optimist to think it. Perhaps Star Trek is more my thing ?

Who said that it devolved to that state. It is quite possible, if bleak, that Corellia has always had that seedy underbelly despite being part of the core just how things really suck the lower you go in Coruscant.

4 hours ago, Forresto said:

Definitely not.

It's absurd that people are not seeing it due to reviews. A 7 on average is not bad.

If it succeeds they will make a sequel and it'll supposedly heavily feature Bossk.

Eh, I think we will see a sequel of sorts anyways. Black Panther did really well at the box office and will likely drive studios to do other black led films (since hollywood always tries to chase what is hot, ie all the attempts at shared universe films nowdays), and you know what, if they make a Lando film after this I would be COMPLETELY fine with that. Lando was easily the best thing about this film, in my mind, and I'd much rather have a film following him being awesome. And that way they could touch on stuff from this film like the whole Maul thing, and OH! We could probably see him get the Lady Luck and see that ship on the big screen for the first time!

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Soooo... how is the coaxium normally refined if it;s impossible to get it to the nearest refinery without flying through the maelstrom and nearly dying o_O

I imagine the Imperials simply have a deal with the Pykes like Crimson Dawn (or whatever they're called) and can come and go as they wish with little threat to their ships.

The maelstrom doesn't seem to be the difficult part. Its outside the safe zones that you can get killed.

1 minute ago, Animewarsdude said:

Who said that it devolved to that state. It is quite possible, if bleak, that Corellia has always had that seedy underbelly despite being part of the core just how things really suck the lower you go in Coruscant.

Eh, I think we will see a sequel of sorts anyways. Black Panther did really well at the box office and will likely drive studios to do other black led films (since hollywood always tries to chase what is hot, ie all the attempts at shared universe films nowdays), and you know what, if they make a Lando film after this I would be COMPLETELY fine with that. Lando was easily the best thing about this film, in my mind, and I'd much rather have a film following him being awesome. And that way they could touch on stuff from this film like the whole Maul thing, and OH! We could probably see him get the Lady Luck and see that ship on the big screen for the first time!

I would LOVE a Lando movie.

Have you read the Lando comic Marvel released a couple years ago? If you haven't, you need to. I rarely read the comics but it came highly recommended, I bought it immediately.

Prime example of how Lando in someways is so much more interesting then Han.

20 minutes ago, rabid1903 said:

I took it as distance. Basically taking the normal and safe route is 20 parsecs. Any less distance has to be made up for bold flying through the maelstrom.

30 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

I thought they were referring to it as time taken. IIRC Lando says no-one's done the Kessel Run in under 20 parsecs, before Han decides on the "short cut".

lol See. Not clear enough on screen.

I'm going to buy the visual guide today or tomorrow and maybe it'll have a definite answer.

I guess.

And maybe that's the nearest *non-Imperial* refinery.

Just a thought I had I couldn't place the answer to at the time.

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Well it's the only metric we have when talking about how much people did or did not enjoy a film.

It's a completely useless metric when reviews are being left by people who haven't seen it.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

I guess.

And maybe that's the nearest *non-Imperial* refinery.

Just a thought I had I couldn't place the answer to at the time.

If I recall correctly they say that explicitly.

On 5/25/2018 at 8:39 AM, Mr Tough Guy said:

Saw it wednesday so had a while to think about it, Overall it wasn't too bad but just a bit too many memberberries. I wished they hadn't done all the super Obvious references, the kessel run, han winning the falcon, those stupid dice from last jedi, Lando's disguise from Jedi, becket giving Han that Blaster, Han getting the Solo name, etc. They were all just a bit too on the nose for me, I actually liked the references to bossk and aurra sing, stuff like that is way better to show a connection without rubbing your face in it. I think it would have been a better movie if they hadn't mentioned the Kesselrun, and finished the movie with Lando still the owner of the Falcon. Honestly they basicly put in everything I didn't want to see in a Han Solo prequel movie.

Anyone had the feeling Enfys Nest had a connection to Saw? one of the alien goons looked exactly like one of Saw's guys, but that may just be a case of all aliens looking the same

Yeah but where did Lando get that outfit in ROTJ.... Oh yeah I've got this out fit in my dress up box on the falcon... it will do just great to get into Jabba's palace... I mean it work on Kessel after all!

54 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

You haven't got an argument, only vitriol.

Exhibit A: That's not a "viewer score"; it's a "people who are airing their grieviances" score, just like you're doing. That score is more of a response to TLJ than it is a review for Solo.

Why would I have any anger when I'm on the winning side? Once we do the same with episode 9 there's no way Kennedy keeps her job or that rian gets his trilogy, our plucky rebellion just blew up the first death star.

And rotten tomatoes does not use scores under 1.5 stars i.e. The protest scores so they are not skewing anything, i f they did include those tlj would of been 24 % the excuse for trolls destroying the score did not hold water then and it does not now.

you are arguing emotions and feelings, I'm stating facts with sources others have confirmed.

"Winning side"? Winning side of what?

8 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Why would I have any anger when I'm on the winning side? Once we do the same with episode 9 there's no way Kennedy keeps her job or that rian gets his trilogy, our plucky rebellion just blew up the first death star.

And rotten tomatoes does not use scores under 1.5 stars i.e. The protest scores so they are not skewing anything, i f they did include those tlj would of been 24 % the excuse for trolls destroying the score did not hold water then and it does not now.

you are arguing emotions and feelings, I'm stating facts with sources others have confirmed.

You are honestly the scummiest of fans.

How entitled and self centered are you that your opinion out weighs anyone else's.

That due to you're displeasure you are willing to destroy other people's livelihoods and others enjoyment.

Absolutely pathetic.

There is no winning side, there is no boycott, there is a temper tantrum being thrown by sad, angry little men and I have never pitied anyone more.

I think it's sad that this movie is being judged based on TLJ. People who hated TLJ are intentionally going out and leaving bad ratings for this movie without even watching it, and then claiming victory.

As a result, others see those bad ratings and assume the movie is bad and don't see it, continuing the cycle.

In actuality, this is just another Star Wars movie. It's not perfect, but it's sincere and the characters all seem very much alive. The universe feels real despite all the hokeyness of the usual Star Wars universe, and the events that unfold feel like an iconic storyline, leaving you with a sort of deja vu after watching it. This is not unintentional or due to sloppy writing, it's because this really feels like Mad Max meets the Wild West meets World War II in outer space. It draws on all the classic genres we remember from childhood. Both Buzz Lightyear and Woody would fit in just fine in the Star Wars universe.

However, noticeably absent from the regular mix of genres is the superhero genre. No Force wizards here, no evil Sith Lords or perfect Jedi heroes. Everyone is real, everyone is mortal. The bad guys aren't all bad and the good guys aren't all good. There's plot twists and turns, and characters shift and change in our perception of them.

Han Solo doesn't change all that much. His one major character change (his service to the Empire) happens off-screen. But he's the Ishmael of this story. We know going in that he survived his encounter with the White Whale and that he's telling this story. He also doesn't really do much fighting shooting or killing. Rather we get to see classic Han - a smooth-talking but brash con-man for whom everything simultaneously goes all wrong and yet always seems to turn out just fine.

The whole way through there's this narrative of underworld infighting. It's very interesting because even though it seems scary, and the tension constantly builds, the whole time, Han is wondering how he and his friends can con the bad guy. It's like a season of Amazon Prime's Sneaky Pete, but in the Star Wars universe.

It explores a rarely-seen timeframe directly between Episode III and Rebels, where the Empire is new and growing. I didn't see Dass Jennir on screen anywhere, but other than him, not a lot in the old or new canon exists in this timeframe. What's interesting is that we see things going poorly for the Galaxy, and we see that the crime lords are worse for much of the Galaxy than the Empire. We see why the Empire gained traction, and why people were willing to let them rule in the authoritarian regime that we see overthrown in Episodes IV-VI. It adds a lot of depth without being preachy or in-your-face.

But to get back to the start of my review: people shouldn't judge this as a Star Wars movie at all I think. It's not the same Star Wars we see in the Sequels, Prequels, or Rogue One (speaking as someone who likes all of those, by the way). It's very similar to the original trilogy in its lighthearted spin on this dark and strange Galaxy. And it really stands alone as a fun story without trying too hard to fit in with everything else. And yet it has something to appeal to everyone. I wish everyone could like it as much as I did, but I understand many won't, because they're looking at it with the blind rage of modern politics. But this is really a classic Star Wars movie, and I'm pretty sure the haters can't even claim to really be Star Wars fans at this point.

5 minutes ago, Forresto said:

You are honestly the scummiest of fans.

How entitled and self centered are you that your opinion out weighs anyone else's.

That due to you're displeasure you are willing to destroy other people's livelihoods and others enjoyment.

Absolutely pathetic.

Nobody cares about RT scores, otherwise Rian would be long gone.

On the other hand what does matter is voting with your wallet. I didn't expect this to actually work, but it seems like I underestimated people's hate towards TLJ.

Boyoctting is just not seeing the movie, people are absolutely entitled to do that.

12 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Why would I have any anger when I'm on the winning side? Once we do the same with episode 9 there's no way Kennedy keeps her job or that rian gets his trilogy, our plucky rebellion just blew up the first death star.

And rotten tomatoes does not use scores under 1.5 stars i.e. The protest scores so they are not skewing anything, i f they did include those tlj would of been 24 % the excuse for trolls destroying the score did not hold water then and it does not now.

you are arguing emotions and feelings, I'm stating facts with sources others have confirmed.

The only emotion I'm feeling right now is pity, Hobo.

7 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I think it's sad that this movie is being judged based on TLJ. People who hated TLJ are intentionally going out and leaving bad ratings for this movie without even watching it, and then claiming victory.

I'd just like to point out that I really can't stand The Last Jedi. I thought it was an insultingly bad Star Wars film, and I've pretty much written off the sequels at this point.

I also had little enthusiasm for Solo when it was announced.

All that said, I still went to watch Solo, and I enjoyed it. And I'll happily go to see a sequel, or Lando spin off, or whatever comes next.

4 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

I'd just like to point out that I really can't stand The Last Jedi. I thought it was an insultingly bad Star Wars film, and I've pretty much written off the sequels at this point.

I also had little enthusiasm for Solo when it was announced.

All that said, I still went to watch Solo, and I enjoyed it. And I'll happily go to see a sequel, or Lando spin off, or whatever comes next.

I totally inderstand not liking individual movies. I absolutely don't understand writing off the entire series but still claiming to be a Star Wars fan and going on a Star Wars miniatures forum to ruin the joy for others. The FFG mods probably need to be less timid about banning people.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Soooo... how is the coaxium normally refined if it;s impossible to get it to the nearest refinery without flying through the maelstrom and nearly dying o_O

The addressed it in citing it's the only refinery not within Imperial jurisdiction that could be reached in time.