8 hours ago, Pooleman said:

This guys rant on strong women is a little ridiculous. Look at Leia from the original trilogy. She was tough and didn’t take any crap. Was she denigrating men when she saved Han, Luke, and Chewy on the death star prison level? Was she pushing a feminist agenda when she giving Han the business or fighting on Endor? Ugh.

If it were released today, many "manly" men would be wetting their diapers over it, yes.

But you've got loads of faux men these days who are threatened at the dumbest damned things.

1 hour ago, eMeM said:

I applaud Rian Johnson for the excellent, and rarely seen meta element of taking this way beyond the movie and into the real life - this revolutionary and highly intellectual theme, which you have to watch Richard and Mortimer to understand, is continued when Rian fails to create a logical flow of events, fails to make characters believable, fails to retain traits that define characters instead of making them do stupid things they wouldn't have done if they didn't have to fail, fails to write a script between all the plotholes, fails at building tension and dosing humour, Lucasfilm employees fail to remain civil and take criticism with dignity, Disney fails to contain Mark Hamill and the greatest failure of them all, fans fail to understand that having a hamfisted theme doesn't make the movie any better.

I could get behind this joke, because the idea is funny, except everything you've put in here is a subjective value judgement and I disagree with literally all of it.

It seems that user ratings of Solo on aggregation sites are increasing as more people actually view the film. That's encouraging. I am 100% ok with people who dislike stuff, even those who do so passionately. So be it; to each his own and all that. However, it seems that some folks are going beyond civil disagreement. It's unfortunate that evidently some serious trolls have decided to plant their flag on the SW franchise. It's the hill they want to die on, I suppose. I know that such infections need sunlight as disinfectant, but confronting this particular species is terribly exhausting, and takes up some of life's limited time that could be better spent on something fabulous or interesting. I suppose that's the strategy being employed: many reasonable people abandon the battlefield, as it were. The presence of this breed of troll adds an unpleasant element to a normal person's enjoyment of the territory claimed by the troll. Is the right thing to do fight, or ridicule, or ignore? I'm not sure yet .

14 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

I could get behind this joke, because the idea is funny, except everything you've put in here is a subjective value judgement and I disagree with literally all of it.

Of course, we can't judge art objectively.

My point, besides making a joke at the expense of TLJ of course, is that you can understand what Johnson tried to do and still hate the movie. I get the theme he was going for, I don't think it was worth it, and I don't think it redeems any the shortcomings.

Just now, eMeM said:

Of course, we can't judge art objectively.

My point, besides making a joke at the expense of TLJ of course, is that you can understand what Johnson tried to do and still hate the movie. I get the theme he was going for, I don't think it was worth it, and I don't think it redeems any the shortcomings.

Fair enough. I don't want to get into a virtual pissing contest about the Last Jedi, so I'll leave it alone

3 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

Did you not watch Rogue One?

Saw Guerra is a character the originated in the Clone Wars cartoon. And there are multiple references and event an appearance of the Ghost and its captain.

You're missing my point.

Saw Gerrerra might as well have been a character in Rogue One, his character doesn't require context like Maul does.

The Ghost, Chopper, and then the Hera reference are not only inconsequential but they're placed in a context that makes sense, ala in the background of a battle.

If you only watch the films, Maul was dead and now suddenly is alive again and is a significant part of the plot of the film. It requires you to watch the show to understand his story.

My point is the door is now open to similar references that only those few who read the comics or watch the shows will actually understand.

11 minutes ago, Forresto said:

If you only watch the films, Maul was dead and now suddenly is alive again and is a significant part of the plot of the film.

..."A significant part of the plot of the film"?

He had a 30 second cameo at the end and doesn't interact with the lead in any shape or form. Lady WhatsHerFace on Corellia was more significant to the plot of the film.

That's like saying Princess Leia was a significant part of the plot of Rogue One.

3 hours ago, xanderf said:

Yup. Indeed, there is no longer any "EU". That was a concept that applied in the pre-Disney era to the different 'levels' of canon.

Post-Disney, there is 'Canon' and there is 'Legends', and that's it. The Clone Wars CGI series, all the movies, Rebels, and the novels starting with 'A New Dawn', are 'canon'. Everything else is 'Legends'.

This is not how it works. I mean, it might be working like that right now, but think about it for a second

What do the words "expanded universe", literally mean?

What will happen when the new content becomes filled with contradictions as the years go on?

Pretending that the concept of EU is gone, or that anything aside from the main movies has the same amount of priority is simply just false.

Technically you are correct, but what most people mean when they say EU is Auxiliary content. And that still exists, and will exist, and its only a matter of time before the actual levels of canonicity come back

1 hour ago, Incard said:

It seems that user ratings of Solo on aggregation sites are increasing as more people actually view the film. That's encouraging. I am 100% ok with people who dislike stuff, even those who do so passionately. So be it; to each his own and all that. However, it seems that some folks are going beyond civil disagreement. It's unfortunate that evidently some serious trolls have decided to plant their flag on the SW franchise. It's the hill they want to die on, I suppose. I know that such infections need sunlight as disinfectant, but confronting this particular species is terribly exhausting, and takes up some of life's limited time that could be better spent on something fabulous or interesting. I suppose that's the strategy being employed: many reasonable people abandon the battlefield, as it were. The presence of this breed of troll adds an unpleasant element to a normal person's enjoyment of the territory claimed by the troll. Is the right thing to do fight, or ridicule, or ignore? I'm not sure yet .

It is good to see the rating going up. I think that Solo isn't really a divisive film like TLJ was, it is just sort of standard and forgettable in my opinion. There were some stuff that was good like Lando(!), the Corellia scenes, Chewie, with little if any real divisive, insulting material. The characters were by and large in character, and the film wasn't insulting, it just sort of was hamfisted into checklisting stuff. In some ways I wish it was set a little later than it was so it didn't feel the need to show how he got his name, DL-44, how he met Chewie, how he made the kessel run, how he got the falcon, etc.

20 minutes ago, Forresto said:

You're missing my point.

Saw Gerrerra might as well have been a character in Rogue One, his character doesn't require context like Maul does.

The Ghost, Chopper, and then the Hera reference are not only inconsequential but they're placed in a context that makes sense, ala in the background of a battle.

If you only watch the films, Maul was dead and now suddenly is alive again and is a significant part of the plot of the film. It requires you to watch the show to understand his story.

My point is the door is now open to similar references that only those few who read the comics or watch the shows will actually understand.

I do feel for the most part general audiences will be left lost about that, then again from me talking with people from my school they were confused about when Rogue One took place and thought it took place after TFA. You'd think it was obvious stuff but by and large most people seem to not pick up on that if they aren't really involved with the franchise. My issue with Maul is that it was more blatantly sequel bait to follow up on that story thread...if not then that would be even more frustrating that you'd need to read a future book to figure out what happens there. Maybe they will try to tie it into the rumored Lando and Obi-Wan films or the Boba Fett film.

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

..."A significant part of the plot of the film"?

He had a 30 second cameo at the end and doesn't interact with the lead in any shape or form. Lady WhatsHerFace on Corellia was more significant to the plot of the film.

That's like saying Princess Leia was a significant part of the plot of Rogue One.

Yes, but through the whole movie we know that Dryden Voss has a boss. He's not the crime-lord here, he's just like, a regional captain for a much bigger fish. And it turns out that bigger fish was Maul all along. Maul was the reason they had to make the Kessel run in the first place, because he was the one who needed the coaxium. It was because of Maul, that Voss would have killed them had they failed to deliver. It was because of Maul's organisation that Enfys Nest was driven to 'rebel' against the status quo.

5 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

My  is  sue wi  th Maul is that it was more blatantly sequel bait to follow up on that story thread...  

See, I saw it and immediately thought it was blatant set up for, well, more EU content. A Crimson Dawn themed novel or a Qi’ra comic or something.

Didn't think I would like it, but was surprised how good it was. Not since the original trilogy have I laughed during a star wars film, but laughed out loud when L337's rebellion backfired on her, especially laughed hard when Lando picks her up and she falls in half xD and then giving her a fate, for her that would be worse than death? Dang they sure know how to do a jar jar binks character correctly. Han was close but didn't fully sell me he was a young solo, a bit too goody goody, but made a nice rogue character. sad no new capitol ships, so much for the theory armada was waiting till after this film to spoil new content so as not to spoil anything.

15 minutes ago, Chucknuckle said:

Yes, but through the whole movie we know that Dryden Voss has a boss. He's not the crime-lord here, he's just like, a regional captain for a much bigger fish. And it turns out that bigger fish was Maul all along. Maul was the reason they had to make the Kessel run in the first place, because he was the one who needed the coaxium. It was because of Maul, that Voss would have killed them had they failed to deliver. It was because of Maul's organisation that Enfys Nest was driven to 'rebel' against the status quo.

Exactly.

Its also strange to think the Kessel Run is ultimately because of Maul. That's not something I would have ever predicted.

6 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

Which...isn’t really a problem. Most of the people asking for a scum falcon are wanting scum versions of those characters, not random other pilots. And they could give us Qira as a crew card and Beckett as a gunner. Not to mention plenty of other crew card options scattered throughout the rest of the movie. I’m more upset that in an entire scum themed movie we didn’t get ANY other scum ships...

It wasn’t “rich people” are bad. It was “war profiteers”. I would have been much happier without the entire arc (just because it was almost all completely unnecessary to the rest of the movie), but it wasn’t just making out all rich people to be evil.

Not all the people in the casino were war profiteers. Also, little kids aren’t going to draw the distinction, they will just see rich people.

14 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

Not all the people in the casino were war profiteers. Also, little kids aren’t going to draw the distinction, they will just see rich people.

especially since they specifically say you only get that rich by war profiteering, which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard

Just now, Skandranon said:

especially since they specifically say you only get that rich by war profiteering, which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard

I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

1 minute ago, Pooleman said:

I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

agreeing

That part in particular bugged me as well.

ROSE (paraphrasing): What's the one business that could get people so rich?

FINN: .... war.

Whereas my thoughts were "Real Estate? Finance? Consumer Electronics? Energy?"

On 5/25/2018 at 9:06 AM, RoockieBoy said:

Emon (Azzameen?), Aurra Singh, Benthic, Bossk, Maul!... lots of cool people were shown/talked about!

I really enjoyed it.

Who mentioned Emon? I missed that one.

Also, I don't think the Tognath was one of the two tubes brothers - he had no brother and no tubes

I am not certain which Two-Tubes is which in Rogue One & Solo. Do both appear in Rogue One, or just one of them? Same question for Solo, I guess, but it seemed more clear to me that there was only one there.

Just now, Incard said:

That part in particular bugged me as well.

ROSE (paraphrasing): What's the one business that could get people so rich?

FINN: .... war.

Whereas my thoughts were "Real Estate? Finance? Consumer Electronics? Energy?"

Yeah, that bit and the whole Canto Bight sequence were a bit "huh?" Like, why leave your ship on the beach? That's no inconspicuous. Why spend time running around the casino being awed at how pretty it is? Your friends lives are measured in seconds! Focus on the task at hand! Only war gets people this rich? I mean yeah, I guess weapons manufacture and sales is good business, but surely there's a bunch of other ways people get obscenely rich?

6 hours ago, pkreynolds said:

I don't think this is right. I think that the point of the Finn/Rose side mission, that so many people like to claim is "pointless" and "stupid" is pretty clear. Yoda even says it while talking to Luke. "Failure is our greatest teacher." The Last Jedi is very clearly about failure. Poe fails to listen to Leia and as a direct result the Resistance loses all of its bombers. Holdo fails to see past Poe's arrogance and keeps the plan from him. Finn and Rose fail to carry out their mission and it costs the lives of a whole lot of Resistance on the escape shuttles, and nearly their own lives. Snoke fails to correctly interpret Kylo's intention and it costs him his life. Luke failed to save Kylo. I could keep going, but I think that's probably more than enough examples. The Last Jedi isn't a bad movie because a bunch of people made bad choices and failed at stuff. It's literally a movie ABOUT failure, and how we learn and grow from it. It's pretty **** heavy handed about it, too.

To be clear, I don’t have a problem with them GOING to canto night (other than the fact that they were able to travel to the opposite side of the galaxy and back, plus all the time on the planet, in under 18 hours). I like that they failed and that it’s badically theirs and poe’s Fault the resistance was wiped out. I just feel that about 90% of what happened on canto night was completely unnecessary for the movie. They could have cut 20+ minutes from the sequence and still had plenty of time to have them bring back the wrong slicer and get everyone killed

18 minutes ago, Incard said:

I am not certain which Two-Tubes is which in Rogue One & Solo. Do both appear in Rogue One, or just one of them? Same question for Solo, I guess, but it seemed more clear to me that there was only one there.

Both appear in Rogue One, and both have little antennas in their ears. I can't tell them apart either. The one in solo didn't have those little antennas, and he was alone, so he's probably not one of them, but we'll find out when SW release his name

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#30db9088221f

What the ****, Forbes!? Rogue One made 155mil opening weekend! What about SOLO is failing?

What the ****? HOW IS 148 BAD!?

5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#30db9088221f

What the ****, Forbes!? Rogue One made 155mil opening weekend! What about SOLO is failing?

What the ****? HOW IS 148 BAD!?

I suspect that market speculations had higher hopes for it.