1 hour ago, Hobojebus said:Just a reminder ad homs are not an argument.
Calling you out on your BS is not ad hominem.
Solo movie talk (No spoilers)
QuoteI know there's is identify politics in the movie without seeing it because jon kasden said there is.
I've seen Solo and I don't remember any.
32 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:I've seen Solo and I don't remember any.
Kasdan was posting r-word bullpoopoo on social media, that's why people who haven't seen the movie believe it's pushing an agenda.
In reality there is nothing political in the movie except for 1337, who is clearly a parody of rabid activists, not a sign of support for them, so I'd rather expect the left to be offended.
Edited by eMeM**** you profanity filter
7 minutes ago, eMeM said:Kasdan was posting r-word bullpoopoo on social media, that's why people who haven't seen the movie believe it's pushing an agenda.
In reality there is nothing political in the movie except for 1337, who is clearly a parody of rabid activists, not a sign of support for them, so I'd rather expect the left to be offended.
So the same thing that happened with the live action Beauty and the Beast?
On 5/25/2018 at 3:26 PM, Alpha17 said:The actress voicing the droid is irrelevant. The L3's personality was very obviously modeled after the stereotypical "strong, independent black woman that don't need no man." The way she talked, walked, and acted were spot on. One of the guys I watched it with is on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me, and he agreed that's what they were going for, so it's not purely a political based observation.
If its an accident, it's like saying the Imperials only accidentally look and act like Nazis.
The actress who did the voice also did the motion capture, so..
On 5/25/2018 at 11:43 AM, Hobojebus said:It's the identical argument you can literally swap hurting animals with watching solo, it's called reductio ad absurdum, you take the argument to ridiculous extremes to prove it false.
I do know I would hate hurting an animal, just as I know I'd hate watching solo but the argument was without trying I could not know, which you yourself have acknowledged is false.
I actually know exactly what's solo I could describe who has freckles under what hood, who doublecrosses who, the exact circumstances of how Han wins the falcon, the fate of landos robot, all without seeing it.
Yay! You used a debate tactic. Oh, crud, you didn't. That isn't reducto ad absurdum. For it to be so, you would have to take the actual points of the argument to ridiculous extremes, not some false equivalence that you introduce. You would have to say, "If everyone was required to watch Solo to be able to comment on its content, then people would be more educated about the contents of the film because they would only hear about it from informed sources." But that isn't absurd...so...
EDIT: BTW, there is an appropriate way to use reducto ad absurdum here, but I am not giving it to you. Hint: your problem was with the false equivalence of animal killing to watching Solo.
40 minutes ago, eMeM said:Kasdan was posting r-word bullpoopoo on social media, that's why people who haven't seen the movie believe it's pushing an agenda.
In reality there is nothing political in the movie except for 1337, who is clearly a parody of rabid activists, not a sign of support for them, so I'd rather expect the left to be offended.
Considering droids are literally slaves in the Star Wars universe I'm surprised the droid taking issue with that is so controversial.
1 minute ago, Firespray-32 said:Considering droids are literally slaves in the Star Wars universe I'm surprised the droid taking issue with that is so controversial.
Droid has nothing to do with it because people getting offended didn't watch the movie. It's people at Lucasfilm being absolute fricking nincompoops learning nothing from TLJ and sabotaging their own marketing campaign on twitter and in interviews saying pretty literally that they are pushing an agenda, which is somehow nowhere to be seen.
Politics aside I'm not entirely comfortable with how it was handled. They make droid rights a joke but it looks like it should be a serious issue in-universe.
6 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:Considering droids are literally slaves in the Star Wars universe I'm surprised the droid taking issue with that is so controversial.
That’s where I’m at. There seems to be people who are upset that a slave is unhappy with that status.
Just saw Solo. I thought it was entertaining. And filled out Han’s background nicely. I especially like his and Lando’s interactions.
I was pleasantly surprised. I liked it a lot. It's a cowboy western in space which is exactly what it should have been in my opinion. There were lots of references and calls to other movies and the larger SW universe. It could be considered fan service but I felt it was integrated into the story well and I didn't feel like I was being hit over the head with it. I especially liked the musical queues from the OT.
Saw it, liked it. Another excellent Star Wars movie. Thanks Kathleen Kennedy!
11 hours ago, eMeM said:Kasdan was posting r-word bullpoopoo on social media, that's why people who haven't seen the movie believe it's pushing an agenda.
In reality there is nothing political in the movie except for 1337, who is clearly a parody of rabid activists, not a sign of support for them, so I'd rather expect the left to be offended.
The left is expected the show "greatness" by mocking itself and being able to take it. The old right is actually suppossed to do it even better unless it is a touchy subject. But the alt right is filled with insecure snowflakes, who literally get offended about something like L3-37. *sigh*
3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:The left is expected the show "greatness" by mocking itself and being able to take it. The old right is actually suppossed to do it even better unless it is a touchy subject. But the alt right is filled with insecure snowflakes, who literally get offended about something like L3-37. *sigh*
It's kinda disingenuous to bring up the alt right, and not the leftist sjw crowd. They share the crown of chief offended, entitled millennial sheeple.
People are just horrible overall. #votethanos
Just now, Commander Kaine said:It's kinda disingenuous to bring up the alt right, and not the leftist sjw crowd. They share the crown of chief offended, entitled millennial sheeple.
People are just horrible overall. #votethanos
My main experience with the "leftist SJW crowd" is usually when some alt right guy brings them up as counter point to his own stupidity, usually followed up by claims about the non-sense and non-exiting alt-left. (not talking about you).
BTW Entitled millennial sheeple would a classic insults from a millenial to other millennials as well. Those kids in the 80s and 90s really are terrible. ?
7 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:My main experience with the "leftist SJW crowd" is usually when some alt right guy brings them up as counter point to his own stupidity, usually followed up by claims about the non-sense and non-exiting alt-left. (not talking about you).
BTW Entitled millennial sheeple would a classic insults from a millenial to other millennials as well. Those kids in the 80s and 90s really are terrible. ?
Oh yeah, we are. 
I'm not too keen on Nazis, or social justice. I don't even know what I would classify as, but both groups irk the heck out of me.
And yeah, the alt right folks are kinda stupid when talking about their big leftist world conspiracy to destroy straight white males, but I don't think their grievances are without a legitimate issue.
Similarly, disenfranchised minorities are very wrong if they think that moving towards a collective group identity is going to help them in these polarized times. Identity politics is so not the issue here, and doubling down on it has adverse effects in society.
Where is the Infinity Gauntlet when you need one? 1q
1 minute ago, Hobojebus said:Yeah if you've ever heard the alt righters go on about ethno states and race realism it's pretty worrying stuff,
But then the alt lefts progressive stack is just as bad.
it's why i stay just left of centre and avoid extremists when i can, but unfortunetly they keep trying to push this stuff into my hobbies and just ignoring it does not work.
if you want to know where you stand take the political compas test.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
I have in the past, but I disagree on some fundamental assumptions the test makes, so I cannot get an accurate result.
I am an extremists of sorts, just not the popular kind.
3 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:Yeah if you've ever heard the alt righters go on about ethno states and race realism it's pretty worrying stuff,
But then the alt lefts progressive stack is just as bad.
it's why i stay just left of centre and avoid extremists when i can, but unfortunetly they keep trying to push this stuff into my hobbies and just ignoring it does not work.
if you want to know where you stand take the political compas test.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Yeah not at all a believable statement from the poster claiming this movie is racist and discriminatory at all, but especially without even having seen it.
You're the extremist in this thread.
Just now, ScottieATF said:Yeah not at all a believable statement from the poster claiming this movie is racist and discriminatory at all, but especially without even having seen it.
You're the extremist in this thread.
Pretty sure i said the identity politics is racist and discriminatory, and do you honestly want to take the stance that being against such things makes me an extremist.
I'm pretty sure being against a system of oppresion just makes me reasonable.
Just now, Hobojebus said:Pretty sure i said the identity politics is racist and discriminatory, and do you honestly want to take the stance that being against such things makes me an extremist.
I'm pretty sure being against a system of oppresion just makes me reasonable.
I mean. I get what you are saying. But whatever happened in the movie is fairly harmless. It's not even pushing an agenda, it's not involved in the plot very much. I don't think people would honestly notice if it wasn't an internet talking point. The incest in the OT is worse.
27 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:I have in the past, but I disagree on some fundamental assumptions the test makes, so I cannot get an accurate result.
"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races." The human race is my only reference point and we sure have many superior qualities compared to sheeps and amobia. How in the world someone should take a test like this serious? ?
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend.", another one, absolutely meaningless question, no context given, a banal catch phrase which can be true or false, depending on circumstances.
edit: (yes I am going trough this and going to make fun of those questions)
"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." Pointless as well, because the divide is either way cultural. And cultural differences shrink usually with distance. If I drive 100 miles to the east, north or south I am crossing several nations borders. Does the culture because of that change signifantly? No. Are Americans still total alien to own cultural experience? Totally. It makes the question total ideological without real rational base.
"It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society." Yeah, because loaded questions are a good idea. Nothing gets better polarization in results that making the test full of loaded question aimed to get an overly-emotional reaction. It certainly would be regrettable if finance services would not adding something of value to society and yet still be tolerated. Fortunately a banker is contributing immensely to society … unless he is bad in his job ... in that case he might harm society immensely and cost the tax payer billions. But even than, he still contributed to society. ?
Ok, I give up the questions get even more ridiculous ... not even worth to make fun of them.
Edited by SEApocalypse47 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:social justice
What’s wrong with social justice? Social injustice is better?
11 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:What’s wrong with social justice? Social injustice is better?
The main problem with it is nobody has any clue what it means.