FWIW I have seen the movie, it's fine. My opinion doesn't change how terribly it's doing at the box office though.

2 hours ago, SOTL said:

FWIW I have seen the movie, it's fine. My opinion doesn't change how terribly it's doing at the box office though.

"Overall, the film made $148 million worldwide."

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Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$83,325,000	56.2%
+ Foreign:	$65,000,000	43.8%
= Worldwide:	$148,325,000

1 hour ago, SOTL said:

FWIW I have seen the movie, it's fine. My opinion doesn't change how terribly it's doing at the box office though.

I seriously wonder how anyone could be suprised at that. The whole idea of a Han Solo origin movie was just so boring from the very start and the marketing didn't do much to fix that. Entirely independent from the movies quality! I have to say, the suprisingly positive reaction to it convinced me to watch it in cinema, which I hadn't intended initially.

3 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

I seriously wonder how anyone could be suprised at that. The whole idea of a Han Solo origin movie was just so boring from the very start and the marketing didn't do much to fix that. Entirely independent from the movies quality! I have to say, the suprisingly positive reaction to it convinced me to watch it in cinema, which I hadn't intended initially.

I think everyone expected it to be bad.

Ive worked in the cinema industry nearly 15 years and this is one of most shocking flops I can remember.

19 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

"Overall, the film made $148 million worldwide."

Does not look like a big success, but neither like a total flop, especially considering that Disney decided to go without big advertising money. So it's basically just the 300 million production costs. In Context that Disney controlled close to 90% of all the memorial day weekend money with Deadpool, Infinity War and Star Wars … I don't think that they will be very unhappy about the results. They rather might have used this as test bed to see if they really can launch 2 star wars movies per year, like they do with the MCU or if star wars needs a litte bit more breathing room.

They could plausible lose $200m on this. You realise that only a minority portion of the box office goes back to Disney?

Just now, SOTL said:

They could plausible lose $200m on this. You realise that only a minority portion of the box office goes back to Disney?

And the box office is a minority of what makes Disney money in the first place as Disney, just like Lucas Film has always understood that the merchandising is were the real money is. ?

Oh, they can definitely afford to absorb $200m loss! But it will still likely go down next to the likes of John Carter and Lone Ranger as one of the most expensive flops.

A lot of the hate can be attributed to the "SJW narrative" bs that is going around everywhere. That would be fine, I'm not too keen on social justice myself, there is just one issue...

There isn't an SJW narrative in the movie. There are capable female characters... And that's it. That's an old Star Wars legacy, going back to Princess Leia. The cast is more diverse... but that's all. No character, aside from the droid, who is obviously a joke, brings up any political talking points... The characters' actions are not influenced by their gender, sex or skin color. The story isn't to show you some non"white male" character ****** star wars... I really don't understand how people can say that.

There are black people in the movie. Like two and a half. That has nothing to do with their story or arc. If you are bothered by that, you might just be a teeny tiny bit racist.

Another reason is marketing... or the lack of it. I don't know how can you expect to have a successful movie when everyone thought Disney was cutting losses by not having a campaign. That shifts perception a lot.

I think this movie will be watched more as time goes on and the people realize that is is a completely servicable movie.

The score was bland tho.

IMO all the new Star Wars scores are meh

For the most of TFA I didn't even notice there was a soundtrack. Rey's theme is fantastic, but that and maybe March of the Resistance is basically all.

In R1 music was more prominent, but it shows that they changed composers last minute. Some good stuff there, I like Imperial Suite very much, but while the music at least doesn't copy other Star Wars movies, Giacchino recycled his Star Trek and a bit of Jurassic World.

TLJ is an uninspired mashup of OT themes, I don't remember a signle new melody.

Solo... Enfys Nest theme stands out but the rest is bland with a lot of recycling.

4 hours ago, eMeM said:

IMO all the new Star Wars scores are meh

For the most of TFA I didn't even notice there was a soundtrack. Rey's theme is fantastic, but that and maybe March of the Resistance is basically all.

In R1 music was more prominent, but it shows that they changed composers last minute. Some good stuff there, I like Imperial Suite very much, but while the music at least doesn't copy other Star Wars movies, Giacchino recycled his Star Trek and a bit of Jurassic World.

TLJ is an uninspired mashup of OT themes, I don't remember a signle new melody.

Solo... Enfys Nest theme stands out but the rest is bland with a lot of recycling.

I don't know, vaguely French Jizz is pretty sweet.

It also delights me to no end that Jizz Wailing is still canonical.

We all know the movie is going to sell well. We all know glowing reviews are going to come out of it.

For me, this movie did not shoot first .

It felt more like a story checklist, {Han gets blaster, Han meets Chewie, Han wins Falcon, Han meets Lando}. note not necessarily in that order hence the {} instead of <>.

This is the one movie Disney made that I completely disliked, and it wasn't a matter of expectation being met, the production was plagued with troubles and it showed.

I guess every Star Wars fan has to dislike one Star Wars movie Disney made. This one is mine.

5 hours ago, Forresto said:

French Jizz is pretty sweet 

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10 hours ago, eMeM said:

IMO all the new Star Wars scores are meh

For the most of TFA I didn't even notice there was a soundtrack. Rey's theme is fantastic, but that and maybe March of the Resistance is basically all.

In R1 music was more prominent, but it shows that they changed composers last minute. Some good stuff there, I like Imperial Suite very much, but while the music at least doesn't copy other Star Wars movies, Giacchino recycled his Star Trek and a bit of Jurassic World.

TLJ is an uninspired mashup of OT themes, I don't remember a signle new melody.

Solo... Enfys Nest theme stands out but the rest is bland with a lot of recycling.

Yeah, Giacchino recycling the Star Trek themes was REALLLLLLY apparent on the R1 soundtrack. Still, listening to it a lot...it's fine, it works okay for those scenes. Although I still think of the Trek movie scenes more, but...whatever. Much is forgiven for the 'Guardians of the Whills Suite'. That's just...*fantastic*.

I agree that the standout leitmotif/theme in 'Solo' is the Enfy's Nest theme. Which is cool with me, as the whole Enfy's Nest thing was just a LOT more interesting than I could have expected from the trailers, and the them fits so well. So it's a win, but it's a pretty big win .

The...?I think 'Solo theme'?...that John Williams contributed to the movie in 'The Adventures of Han' and 'Meet Han'? That IS decent, although I can't really see anything about Han in it (while Enfy's Nest's theme definitely fits that character).

It's not a bad soundtrack, on repeat listening (especially after seeing the movie). Like...it's as good, on average, as Kevin Kiner's work on 'Rebels'.

The reuse of the themes during the Maelstrom chase was great. Both the asteroid belt theme and bit where Chewie takes the copilot seat.

15 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

And the box office is a minority of what makes Disney money in the first place as Disney, just like Lucas Film has always understood that the merchandising is were the real money is. ?

But toys Arnt selling either the black series of solo figures was on 75% discount 4 days after release in may, star wars toy sales in general are massively down.

But it's not a general trend because avengers is selling like hot cakes.

Also the current estimate for solos total cost has gone up to 500million, seems just before release they bought more advertising because pre sales were low and they got worried.

8 hours ago, eMeM said:

IMO all the new Star Wars scores are meh

For the most of TFA I didn't even notice there was a soundtrack. Rey's theme is fantastic, but that and maybe March of the Resistance is basically all.

In R1 music was more prominent, but it shows that they changed composers last minute. Some good stuff there, I like Imperial Suite very much, but while the music at least doesn't copy other Star Wars movies, Giacchino recycled his Star Trek and a bit of Jurassic World.

TLJ is an uninspired mashup of OT themes, I don't remember a signle new melody.

Solo... Enfys Nest theme stands out but the rest is bland with a lot of recycling.

Battle of crait has some really cool motives, sadly swamped in a 9 minute piece of music with some very dull moments.

On 5/24/2018 at 7:23 PM, Hobojebus said:

This    movie is offensive it's not made for fans it's made to push an agenda that's at  its heart  discriminatory and   rac  ist    

Just reiterating the hypocrisy of Hobojebus.

18 hours ago, SOTL said:

I think everyone expected it to be bad.

Ive worked in the cinema industry nearly 15 years and this is one of most shocking flops I can remember.

I can’t see who the film is aimed at. Youngsters that the new trilogy is their entry point? Han is just that old guy that died. Older fans who grew up with the original three...Harrison Ford is iconic as Solo. Replacing him is pretty much blasphemy. (No hyperbole here!). And for us older fans...we had a young Han Solo film. It was called Star Wars. Replacing Ford is a nonsensical as doing a Godfather prequel with some nobody playing Michael Corleone.

Honestly , what’s the point of it?

And it’s got that girl from GoT in it? She cannot act. I feel like I’m a lone voice on this.

I really hope this scares Disney a bit, makes them realise that prequels are a terrible idea.

And for the record, Rogue one was the best of the prequels, and it was ok. Just ok.

Whinge over.

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

Harrison Ford is iconic as Solo. Replacing him is pretty much blasphemy. (No hyperbole here!).  And for us older fans...we had a young Han Solo film. It was called Star Wars. Replacing Ford is a nonsensical as doing a Godfather prequel with some nobody playing Michael Corleone.

Like replacing Alec Guinness, amirite?

2 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

Just reiterating the hypocrisy of Hobojebus.

Just a reminder ad homs are not an argument.

2 hours ago, Spider said:

I feel like I’m a lone voice on this.

The good news is you're not quite a lone voice.

The bad news is you're not in great company.

44 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Just a reminder ad homs are not an argument.

So which is it are you only posting facts about the movies box office and reviews or are you posting about the movies content without seeing it?

Because you've claimed you haven't done the later and yet there's that post of yours.

So is it short term memory loss or are you just that brazenly disingenuous that you'd make an easily reputed false claim?

9 minutes ago, ScottieATF said:

So which is it are you only posting facts about the movies box office and reviews or are you posting about the movies content without seeing it?

Because you've claimed you haven't done the later and yet there's that post of yours.

So is it short term memory loss or are you just that brazenly disingenuous that you'd make an easily reputed false claim?

I know there's is identify politics in the movie without seeing it because jon kasden said there is.

I know what's in the movie because I've watched videos by reviewers I trust who went to see it, some said it was average, several that it was boring and a few that hated it but all gave in depth analysis of the important scenes and via that I learnt the contents.

Last thing I saw in cinemas was deadpool 2 which was incredible me and my mates laughed so hard we cried.

there's no logical inconsistency here.

I know what's in moby **** but I've never read it, I know what's in bambi but I've never watched it, more than once I've wanted to know about a book before buying it so I go to Wikipedia for the synopsis most recently I was looking into a canticle for leibowitz.

Hope that's cleared things up for you.

So then why make the claim that you aren't commenting on the films content without seeing it when clearly you're comfortable with doing so and already did in this very thread?

You've made very bold claims about the film not being made for fans along with it being inherently discriminatory and racist.

So please what exactly is racist or discriminatory in this film?

7 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

I know there's is identify politics in the movie without seeing it because jon kasden said there is.

I know what's in the movie because I've watched videos by reviewers I trust who went to see it, some said it was average, several that it was boring and a few that hated it but all gave in depth analysis of the important scenes and via that I learnt the contents.

Last thing I saw in cinemas was deadpool 2 which was incredible me and my mates laughed so hard we cried.

there's no logical inconsistency here.

I know what's in moby **** but I've never read it, I know what's in bambi but I've never watched it, more than once I've wanted to know about a book before buying it so I go to Wikipedia for the synopsis most recently I was looking into a canticle for leibowitz.

Hope that's cleared things up for you.

I have heard from several people who have seen that the movie does not contain identity politics and does not focus on any politics in general.

You don't actually know what's in the movie (or in Moby-****, for that matter). You may know several of the plot points or secondary events that happen, but you haven't seen the movie (or read the book). A synopsis does not provide enough detail to draw definitive conclusions about the quality of the work being summarized. You are relying on secondhand knowledge and are therefore not in a position to make any kind of authoritative judgments. Plot summaries can give an idea about whether you might be interested in something. They can't tell you whether or not you're actually going to like it or enjoy it.

Further, you give the distinct impression that you are pushing an agenda: that you dislike the movie and would prefer it to fail, despite not having seen it and evidently having no interest in doing so. Perhaps you did not intend to give off this impression, but you did. Strongly.