This is just a thought, but could a ship like the TIE Advanced take Expert Handeling to change it’s linked barrel roll white? What about the TIE Intercepter, it’s red barrel roll is granted by text, would that meat the requirement?

My gut says the upgrades would only apply to base actions, not linked ones. I feel like those still need a stress cost to be balanced.

No. The upgrades have the red action as a requirement, then add a new, white action to your bar, so the linked action stays red but you have a white version of the base action as well.

No. If you look at the upgrades like Expert Handling or Engine Upgrade, you can see that they require the ship has a red Barrel Roll or Boost, and they grant a white Barrel Roll or Boost. They don't change the color of any of the ship's actions, they add a new action to the ship.

That aside, even if they did change the required red action to white, the red linked actions are not basic actions the ship can take, nor are the actions granted by the Autothrusters or Vectored Thrusters ship abilities.

What about abilities that allow you to perform an action after performing an action?

For example, Darth Vader has the [Focus > Barrel Roll ] linked action.
Can Vader perform a Focus action, then use his ability to perform a different action (like target lock), then finally link the Barrel Roll action so that he gets the stress only at the end?

If linked actions are expressed like this : "After performing the action on the left, you may perform the action on the right" then the timing window for the second part of the sentence matches the timing window of Vader's ability (or any other ability that triggers after performing an action) and the player should be able to choose the order in which these triggers resolve. Right?

3 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

What about abilities that allow you to perform an action after performing an action?

For example, Darth Vader has the [Focus > Barrel Roll ] linked action.
Can Vader perform a Focus action, then use his ability to perform a different action (like target lock), then finally link the Barrel Roll action so that he gets the stress only at the end?

If linked actions are expressed like this : "After performing the action on the left, you may perform the action on the right" then the timing window for the second part of the sentence matches the timing window of Vader's ability (or any other ability that triggers after performing an action) and the player should be able to choose the order in which these triggers resolve. Right?

We don't know yet, but probably, there aren't many. Vader is one of the few and one of the only ones who is THAT flexible.

And there's no reason he'd need to, he could just do the other action first, use his ability to focus, then link the BR.

I feel like that would work, if things still nest the same way. Both the red linked Barrel Roll and Vader's pilot ability trigger off the same focus action, so the controlling player should be able to pick the order (I think).

1 minute ago, __underscore__ said:

I feel like that would work, if things still nest the same way. Both the red linked Barrel Roll and Vader's pilot ability trigger off the same focus action, so the controlling player should be able to pick the order (I think).

We don't know. In 1e, it would probably work, but this is not 1e.

And again, int he case of Vader specifically, there's literally no reason he would ever need to do it in that order anyway. He can do whatever the other action is (TL presumably, being his only other action on his bar) and then use his ability to focus, and link the BR.

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

We don't know yet, but probably, there aren't many. Vader is one of the few and one of the only ones who is THAT flexible.

And there's no reason he'd need to, he could just do the other action first, use his ability to focus, then link the BR.

It's a particular case.
There could come an upgrade any time that said "After you perform a Focus action, you may perform a Boost action". In that case you would want to do Focus > Boost > Barrel Roll . Order matters.

1 minute ago, Azrapse said:

It's a particular case.
There could come an upgrade any time that said "After you perform a Focus action, you may perform a Boost action". In that case you would want to do Focus > Boost > Barrel Roll . Order matters.

And in that case, we simply don't know the rules. We can assume using 1e as a precedent, but that is a bad idea.

For Vader specifically, we DO know the rules, and there's no case currently spoiled where he would need to try to intervene between the focus and the linked roll, for the reason noted above.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

We don't know. In 1e, it would probably work, but this is not 1e.

Which is why I put two disclaimers in the post. :/

The only reason I can think of Vader wanting to do things that way is that we don't know how failing actions work in regards to this type of chain. If a failed action doesn't count as 'performing an action' (I suspect it would count but, you know) then he might want to get the guaranteed focus, attempt the target lock with his force, then be able to barrel roll from the banked link.