2 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I've honestly been morbidly curious and looked around these forums, and wherever something new star wars is mentioned, this hobo dude just HAS to tell everybody how much he hates something.

Hating something so much has gotta' be a horrible way to live, the obsession that comes with it...

1 hour ago, Chucknuckle said:

Right, I just feel sorry for him. I don’t understand why he can’t just let people enjoy things though?

Nothing stops you enjoying it, but if your allowed to champion something others are allowed to oppose it that's how open forums work other wise it would be a sterile boring echo chamber.

People ney saying the defender never stopped me flying it or winning games after all, why should people not liking the movie affect how you feel?

All I'm doing is informing people of the box office numbers and the rating of people on different sites, and facts are good it's how we get an informed picture of the world around us.

My enjoyment is impacted when I come into any thread to talk about the new movies and some neck beard moof-milker comes waddling in saying “HURR DURR SOYLO SJW WARS SACK KENNEDY”.

You don’t like Star Wars. Ok, that’s fine. I don’t know what you DO like, but I wouldn’t poo-poo it to you, because I respect the fact that you’re allowed to like things that I don’t like, and I don’t have to like things that you like.

I wish you and others like you could do the same. Star Wars doesn’t belong to you, and having new Star Wars movies that you don’t like isn’t a bad thing. You don’t need to crusade against them. Other people like them just fine, and that’s literally all that matters.

I mean, didn’t your mother ever tell you if you can’t say something nice, then don’t say anything at all? And that’s not a call to silence discussion, it just means do it in a sensible and respectful way! I know you haven’t even seen SOLO so there’s no way you can engage in a serious discussion of the films flaws or strengths. Maybe go and check it out and then come back and tell us, in a sensible and respectful way, what it is you didn’t like about it.

9 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

Right, I just feel sorry for him. I don’t understand why he can’t just let people enjoy things though?

There's too much anger for him to contain I guess? Maybe by giving it to others he can know a modicum of peace..? No clue.

8 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

Nothing stops you enjoying it, but if your allowed to champion something others are allowed to oppose it that's how open forums work other wise it would be a sterile boring echo chamber.

People ney saying the defender never stopped me flying it or winning games after all, why should people not liking the movie affect how you feel?

All I'm doing is informing people of the box office numbers and the rating of people on different sites, and facts are good it's how we get an informed picture of the world around us.

You have as much as an Agenda as Kathleen Kennedy does.

9 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

My enjoyment is impacted when I come into any thread to talk about the new movies and some neck beard moof-milker comes waddling in saying “HURR DURR SOYLO SJW WARS SACK KENNEDY”.

You don’t like Star Wars. Ok, that’s fine. I don’t know what you DO like, but I wouldn’t poo-poo it to you, because I respect the fact that you’re allowed to like things that I don’t like, and I don’t have to like things that you like.

I wish you and others like you could do the same. Star Wars doesn’t belong to you, and having new Star Wars movies that you don’t like isn’t a bad thing. You don’t need to crusade against them. Other people like them just fine, and that’s literally all that matters.

I mean, didn’t your mother ever tell you if you can’t say something nice, then don’t say anything at all? And that’s not a call to silence discussion, it just means do it in a sensible and respectful way! I know you haven’t even seen SOLO so there’s no way you can engage in a serious discussion of the films flaws or strengths. Maybe go and check it out and then come back and tell us, in a sensible and respectful way, what it is you didn’t like about it.

Well it's funny this wasn't raised when everyone was unhappy with the last jedi, the exact same concerns were voiced then it's not a new complaint.

And I love the good parts of star wars but I'm not a fan boy and haven't been since the prequels I don't think every thing carrying the logo is automatically good and will call out the parts I don't like as I'd expect anyone else to.

Forcing progressive values into any hobby has detrimental effects you can see that in marvel comics, the rejection to mass effect 4, the destruction of new atheism, star trek discovery and on and on.

The fact is attacking your core audience is a bad idea if Kennedy is allowed to continue doing that star wars will die the general public has no stomach for it and neither do non millennial fans.

I'm sorry that you can't see that this is about saving the franchise from destruction.

And my family raised me to stand up for what I believe in no matter the hardship involved, if you don't stand for something you stand for anything.

As for respect your the one making personal attacks I haven't insulted anyone, I also haven't said the movies bad I've listed fan scores and box office results that's all, I know exactly what's in the movie I know seeing it would not be a happy experience so I spare myself the headache.

16 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

I'm sorry that you can't see that this is about saving the franchise from destruction                 

This is the centre of the problem I think. You've appointed yourself as gatekeeper and crusader, and given yourself the task of saving the franchise.

It doesn't need saving. It's not yours to protect. It's in no danger of deatruction. You've decided for yourself and by extension, everyone else, what "real star wars" is and then you defend that artificial construction against equally artificial attacks. The invasion of progressive values and the "attack" on the fanbase is entirely in your head.

11 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

This is the centre of the problem I think. You've appointed yourself as gatekeeper and crusader, and given yourself the task of saving the franchise.

It doesn't need saving. It's not yours to protect. It's in no danger of deatruction. You've decided for yourself and by extension, everyone else, what "real star wars" is and then you defend that artificial construction against equally artificial attacks. The invasion of progressive values and the "attack" on the fanbase is entirely in your head.

On a similar note; Wich franchise is in bigger trouble? Star Wars or Thundercats?

Rage intensifying

The movie did not shoot first .

Yeah this is the movie I don't like which is odd because I liked both Rouge One and The Last Jedi and those were the two most polarizing Star Wars movie to come out.

I guess every Star Wars fan has to have a Star Wars movie that Disney made that they don't like. This one is mine.

On 5/27/2018 at 11:59 AM, Chucknuckle said:

This is the centre of the problem I think. You've appointed yourself as gatekeeper and crusader, and given yourself the task of saving the franchise.

It doesn't need saving. It's not yours to protect. It's in no danger of deatruction. You've decided for yourself and by extension, everyone else, what "real star wars" is and then you defend that artificial construction against equally artificial attacks. The invasion of progressive values and the "attack" on the fanbase is entirely in your head.

Each movie is making less money, very clearly the general audience has lost interest in star wars and the "neckbeards" as the people on your side put it are not some angry minority.

This movie cost 400-500 million it's made 83 domestic and 148 world wide so far on its opening weekend 2nd will be worse as it is for every movie and by week three it could be out of most cinemas.

If they keep going as they are that 4 billion they spent will never be recouped and they'll abandon it completely, I don't want that By all rights 4 movies in they should be well into the black.

But as has been demonstrated time and again forcing far left politics into movies drives people away, telling your core audience they are the cause of all evil because they were born a certain colour surprisingly does not sit well with them and they go elsewhere.

I'm going to ask an honest question can you name any properties that have improved rather than declined after the far left introduced identity politics into it? It can be video games/ movies/ tv shows whatever I'm just interested in knowing if you know an example where it's actually worked.

Just now, Hobojebus said:

Each movie is making less money, very clearly the general audience has lost interest in star wars and the "neckbeards" as the people on your side put it are not some angry minority.

This movie cost 400-500 million it's made 83 domestic and 148 world wide so far on its opening weekend 2nd will be worse as it is for every movie and by week three it could be out of most cinemas.

If they keep going as they are that 4 billion they spent will never be recouped and they'll abandon it completely, I don't want that By all rights 4 movies in they should be well into the black.

But as has been demonstrated time and again forcing far left politics into movies drives people away, telling your core audience they are the cause of all evil because they were born a certain colour surprisingly does not sit well with them and they go elsewhere.

I'm going to ask an honest question can you name any properties that have improved rather than declined after the far left introduced identity politics into it? It can be video games/ movies/ tv shows whatever I'm just interested in knowing if you know an example where it's actually worked.

SOLO isn't making as much money as they hoped, sure. But there's a bunch of reasons for that, to state your fervent hope that the audience has abandoned the franchise as anything other than opinion is just wasting both our time.

The problem I see is that you think far left politics is being jammed into the franchise.

It's not. I can't actually think of an instance in the new movies where that would be a logical interpretation. But you've taken this false narrative, and set yourself up in opposition to it like some noble white knight, standing up for the poor oppressed white males of the world being victimised by these imaginary far left progressives...

It's fantasy. You're tilting at windmills and calling them dragons.

Saw it and enjoyed it. Probably more than Rogue One, infinitely more than TFA or TLJ. The humor was done well, nothing obnoxious like the inserted laugh here moments in the ST. L3 was annoying at first but the peak moment for that character was entertaining. You could make some good commentary on how it wants revolution but doesn't know how to go about it when it occurs. The only section where I shook my head was the asteroid drifting in the maw but they did it better than the ship destroying moments that TFA had with the falcon chase. The war segment on Mimban was cool as ****, especially the overview shots as they were leaving the planet. Overall I left happy that I had seen it rather than disappointed much like RO (though the hammerhead scene made me want to leave). TFA I left furious mostly because I had agreed to see it again and TFA I just left confused that they could bungle whatever promise TFA had so ineptly.

Overall I prefer the standalone movies because they show sides for the universe that the trilogies won't. In RO they showed that the rebellion wasn't all glitter shine and in Solo they showed the Empire was full of regular people.

3 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

This movie cost 400-500 million it's made 83 domestic and 148 world wide so far on its opening weekend 2nd will be worse as it is for every movie and by week three it could be out of most cinemas.

It actually cost 250+ million. The most expensive Star wars movie yet, but still not 400-500 million like you said.

https://screenrant.com/solo-movie-budget-cost-star-wars/

3 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

If they keep going as they are that 4 billion they spent will never be recouped and they'll abandon it completely, I don't want that By all rights 4 movies in they should be well into the black.

They already got their money back, so I don't think they'll abandon it. Especially with at least 5 new movies, a new animated series and a live action one. I think they're okay.

http://www.businessinsider.com/star-wars-box-office-disney-4-billion-lucasfilm-purchase-2017-12

https://qz.com/1169393/disneys-star-wars-films-have-earned-more-than-lucasfim-was-bought-for/

.....

As far as Solo goes, I finally went to see it last night and liked it. It has its own style and I like it for that; it explores a little bit more the underworld of the galaxy. Alden was good as Solo and if there would be a sequel, or a new movie featuring him as Solo, I would go watch it. A fun ride, nothing really memorable and with 1 new movie per year I don't see it standing off compared to others, but still a good movie worth watching.

@redcastle you've forgotten to account for advertising which as a rule is equal to the production budget, so it's 250+150 which would be the 400 million figure, however recent reports said they spent more right before release so I gave a lower and upper estimate.

4 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

SOLO isn't making as much money as they hoped, sure. But there's a bunch of reasons for that, to state your fervent hope that the audience has abandoned the franchise as anything other than opinion is just wasting both our time.

The problem I see is that you think far left politics is being jammed into the franchise.

It's not. I can't actually think of an instance in the new movies where that would be a logical interpretation. But you've taken this false narrative, and set yourself up in opposition to it like some noble white knight, standing up for the poor oppressed white males of the world being victimised by these imaginary far left progressives...

It's fantasy. You're tilting at windmills and calling them dragons.

I don't want people to abandon star wars I'm not the one causing that Katherine Kennedy is the one doing that By being more concerned with pushing a message than making a good movie.

I'm one person all alone who refused to spend £6 to waste two and a half hours, if I were a crazy the film would of been a success, but it wasn't and you need to accept it was more than just a few disgruntled fans that stayed away, it was the general public too.

The following tweet:

"Sorry to have brought identity/gender politics into... NOPE. Not sorry AT ALL 'cause I think the GALAXY George gave birth to in '77 is big enough for EVERYONE: straight, gay, black, white, brown, Twi'lek, Sullustan, Wookiee, DROID & anything inbetween." Jon kasdan

is proof positive of my claims.

Double post.

4 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

17 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

On a similar note; Wich franchise is in bigger trouble? Star Wars or Thundercats?

Rage intensifying

Thundercats is another victim of the 'lets turn an action show into a comedy' that seems to be what Cartoon Network loves doing nowdays. It started with Teen Titans Go, then Powerpuffgirls, Ben 10, and now them. At the moment I don't think that there is a single normal action show on CN. But hey, at least the Ducktales reboot has been good.

80s --> 2010s

The creator's idea of a worthy successor/better new theme for the show.

On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 3:20 AM, WoofMcMoose said:

Just got back from the cinema (UK) and have to say I was impressed.

Edit: now I'm actually awake and assuming you want no spoilers: Alden is much better than I expected (though he is still not Harrison, but that's OK). The plot was pretty solid with only a couple of minor what/why/how moments. The balance of action, humour and emotion is about right. There are also some good hints/insight at the state of the wider universe.

I'll have to see it again to be sure, but I think this will end up pretty high on my favourite star wars list.

I think I have to mostly agree. I mean obviously there will be a degree of lack of tension if you know for **** shizzle that at least three of the characters are going to survive. And no-one is going to give the lighting director an Oscar. but it's higher on my list than the prequels and the last two stillbirths.

Probably went with very little expectation and was pleasantly surprised.

Deadpool 2, though. That was fabulous. Laughed my *** off.

1 hour ago, GreenSqnPilot said:

Probably went with very little expectation and was pleasantly surprised.

That sums it up for me. Easily top 5 of the 10 SW films for me.

I’m not going to read his thread because it’s full of the same a hole haters.

The movie was great. Better than R1 actually. It was a real Star Wars movie. Lighthearted when it needed to be, heavy when the time called for it. A cool origin story of an iconic character. Plus it had lots of Chewie being a badass Wookiee.

I went, I saw, I was entertained.

Wasn't as good as Rogue One or the Original Trilogy; wasn't as bad IMO as the prequels or TLJ -- a solid overall entry in the series. I liked that they slipped in a lot of EU references smoothly, so that big time fans were entertained without being as heavy handed as many of the references in, say, Rogue One, were.

I'd like to see more Star Wars movies not about iconic characters, but this one did justice to the main characters.

I really liked it - I wish every scene hadn’t been lit so dark, but that would be my only major criticism. (And the realization that an Imperial war campaign would be a really fun topic for a movie)

I can’t wait for the Lando version of the Millenium Falcon!

And, I feel lucky that they keep cranking out Star Wars movies - I’m getting old, and it’s neat that stuff from my childhood just keeps getting built on and added to.

As for Hobojesus, I find everywhere has a representative of the backlash. I check out the Battletech game (another ancient license of my youth) for PC, and it’s all guys yelling about the gender selection in character creation including a neutral choice. I check out State of Decay 2, and the first review is a guy yelling about how all of the characters are black or lesbian, although they used the actual racial slurs. My YouTube recommends are clogged with jocular dudes yelling about how Kathleen Kennedy is the devil. It just seems to be the era for the social justice warriors to be met with a wave of social in-justice warriors who are just as tireless in policing the internet to make sure no one forgets their pet issue.

I don’t think Star Wars will solve this mood in the US, and for my dollar I think Rey being mentored by a living and heroic Luke Skywalker might have pleased both sides, but until the ret-cons and reboots, I just feel really lucky to have more Star Wars to see, and new designs to explore in X-wing later.

4 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

@redcastle you've forgotten to account for advertising which as a rule is equal to the production budget, so it's 250+150 which would be the 400 million figure, however recent reports said they spent more right before release so I gave a lower and upper estimate.

I don't want people to abandon star wars I'm not the one causing that Katherine Kennedy is the one doing that By being more concerned with pushing a message than making a good movie.

I'm one person all alone who refused to spend £6 to waste two and a half hours, if I were a crazy the film would of been a success, but it wasn't and you need to accept it was more than just a few disgruntled fans that stayed away, it was the general public too.

The following tweet:

"Sorry to have brought identity/gender politics into... NOPE. Not sorry AT ALL 'cause I think the GALAXY George gave birth to in '77 is big enough for EVERYONE: straight, gay, black, white, brown, Twi'lek, Sullustan, Wookiee, DROID & anything inbetween." Jon kasdan

is proof positive of my claims.

Yeah, apparently Lando is pansexual now because... reasons (I’ll get to that in a second); despite no previous canon (I’m talking movies, comics, rebels cameos; just ignoring the old EU lore) to establish that.

I think this stems from Deadpool 2 exploring Deadpool’s pansexualuality, and it is my belief that Lucasfilm has tried this publicity stunt to try and boost sales by appealing to the LGBTQ community.

Of course there are multiple problems with this setup. You now have a paradox with established canon, and SOLO doesn’t even establish this claim made by the co-writer. You have one throwaway line from Commie bot that comes off as comedy through out that whole scene.

Of course the heart of the matter is that Deadpool has been pansexual from nearly his creation, Lando is an established straight male in canon for decades, and now you rewrite him to pander because your movie isn’t expected to do well because you’re competing with infinity war and DP 2 in the same month, and dealing with the fallout from TLJ (sure it might have done well at the box office, but you can’t deny there’s a lot of criticism of that movie that has lead to a portion of fans to boycott future Disney Star Wars movies.).

What i’m trying to say is that it’s lazy writing to try and pander to a certain group by taking an established character and changing him on a whim to try and boost sales of a movie.

(This also doesn’t bode well because it means they will rewrite ANY original character at any point now for the sake of pandering to anyone... )

7 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Yeah, apparently Lando is pansexual now because... reasons

I saw the movie and was curious, where are folks getting that Lando has a thing with L3?

1 minute ago, jharrington said:

I saw the movie and was curious, where are folks getting that Lando has a thing with L3?

L3 thinks Lando is in to her, but indicates it’s not mutual; I think this is self flattery because L3 thinks the world of herself. Lando throws himself at desirable women, so he must be into her, because to L3 she is desirable. (Which itself is psychological defense against a universe that tells her that she is property and an object of limited worth)

Lando himself indicates he would blank her memory, but she’s too valuable. He demonstrates compassion when she “dies”, but not to excess. I imagine Lando is only at that point realizing that she’s essentially the only “friend” he has in the universe.

But, the film makes pretty explicit that Lando and L3 are not lovers, and I’ve yet to see him pour the charm on a man, so I think this “pansexuality” is greatly overstated, in part to find a social justice issue to decry.

Because the co-writer has made several tweets about it.

I also saw the movie, and agree that it doesn’t support the co-writers claims.

What @jharrington said. People are reading waaay too much into things because of some irrational desire to complain about something.

3 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I’m not going to read his thread because it’s full of the same a hole haters.

The movie was great. Better than R1 actually. It was a real Star Wars movie. Lighthearted when it needed to be, heavy when the time called for it. A cool origin story of an iconic character. Plus it had lots of Chewie being a badass Wookiee.

Subjective, I felt that R1 was better overall, but Lando alone blows away most of R1 as far as acting goes. I wish the film was less checklisty with showing how Han got everything but it wasn't a bad film by any margin. I wouldn't say it was great either but it was fine/serviceable. If it hadn't come out so soon after TLJ it could quite possibly have avoided a decent bit of controversy. And definitely having another release period would have helped it get a higher box office.

1 hour ago, jharrington said:

I really liked it - I wish every scene hadn’t been lit so dark, but that would be my only major criticism. (And the realization that an Imperial war campaign would be a really fun topic for a movie)

I don’t think Star Wars will solve this mood in the US, and for my dollar I think Rey being mentored by a living and heroic Luke Skywalker might have pleased both sides, but until the ret-cons and reboots, I just feel really lucky to have more Star Wars to see, and new designs to explore in X-wing later.

I wish the film was a bit brighter in those scenes too, I ended up seeing it in 3D, that time screening ended up being the only one that fit with my schedule, which made those scenes even darker. I'd also love if they would at somepoint do a film from an Imperial viewpoint. And TLJ I think might have done a bit better if Luke wasn't made a grumpy old man and Rey actually had time to train. I wouldn't mind her being powerful, so long as she earned it. But TLJ gave us a person who didn't know the force existed 3 days ago and now without any real training is better at the force than Luke ever was and either equally or more skilled than Kylo in bladework, someone who had trained the better part of his life learning lightsaber skills. Had there been an actual time skip, with Luke training Rey for a while though that would all fall away and not be rather distracting, at least in my mind.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Yeah, apparently Lando is pansexual now because... reasons (I’ll get to that in a second); despite no previous canon (I’m talking movies, comics, rebels cameos; just ignoring the old EU lore) to establish that.

I think this stems from Deadpool 2 exploring Deadpool’s pansexualuality, and it is my belief that Lucasfilm has tried this publicity stunt to try and boost sales by appealing to the LGBTQ community.

Of course there are multiple problems with this setup. You now have a paradox with established canon, and SOLO doesn’t even establish this claim made by the co-writer. You have one throwaway line from Commie bot that comes off as comedy through out that whole scene.

Of course the heart of the matter is that Deadpool has been pansexual from nearly his creation, Lando is an established straight male in canon for decades, and now you rewrite him to pander because your movie isn’t expected to do well because you’re competing with infinity war and DP 2 in the same month, and dealing with the fallout from TLJ (sure it might have done well at the box office, but you can’t deny there’s a lot of criticism of that movie that has lead to a portion of fans to boycott future Disney Star Wars movies.).

What i’m trying to say is that it’s lazy writing to try and pander to a certain group by taking an established character and changing him on a whim to try and boost sales of a movie.

(This also doesn’t bode well because it means they will rewrite ANY original character at any point now for the sake of pandering to anyone... )

Yea, see I don't think gay characters in Star Wars is a bad idea. What is a bad idea is changing old/classic characters into these roles to pander in the hopes of attracting new audiences and claiming social points. And I agree, I would hope that we don't see them do this to any other characters. Then again, with there being rumors of Billy D Williams getting inshape I just hope they don't bring him back for Episode 9 to kill off yet another OT character.

44 minutes ago, jharrington said:

I saw the movie and was curious, where are folks getting that Lando has a thing with L3?

L3 thinks Lando is in to her, but indicates it’s not mutual; I think this is self flattery because L3 thinks the world of herself. Lando throws himself at desirable women, so he must be into her, because to L3 she is desirable. (Which itself is psychological defense against a universe that tells her that she is property and an object of limited worth)

Lando himself indicates he would blank her memory, but she’s too valuable. He demonstrates compassion when she “dies”, but not to excess. I imagine Lando is only at that point realizing that she’s essentially the only “friend” he has in the universe.

But, the film makes pretty explicit that Lando and L3 are not lovers, and I’ve yet to see him pour the charm on a man, so I think this “pansexuality” is greatly overstated, in part to find a social justice issue to decry.

Co-writer, nothing in the film itself.

38 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

What @jharrington said. People are reading waaay too much into things because of some irrational desire to complain about something.

Again, co-writer, it wouldn't even be an issue unless he decided to bring it up. Something similar happened with I think Rogue One's writer and the actor who played Bohdi. The films themselves don't present the issue in them but the people working on them I guess want to try and push forward points or create controversy to drum up free publicity.