Hey everyone! Just wanted to spread the word about a new format we've been testing over on the Zion's Finest Slack channel: No-16. Basically, any deployment or command card that appeared in any list of the Top 16 of the most recent Worlds is banned. No Gideon/Threepio, no Assassinate, no Zillo Technique. Nothing.

While it first it may sound dumb, this format is an excellent way to explore alternate list building and let units that wouldn't normally see play hit the table.

Here's the list of banned cards, so that you can give this awesome format a try!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GXprQJtSORbWEV7YmPE4Hvk-jeZ_-tEEtGL5n-EWmy4/edit?usp=sharing

This is great! I love this idea! I was also thinking they should give awards at worlds for "weirdest list" or "most creative list" or something to encourage branching out from the mainstays. Also they could have three figs at worlds every year (one from each faction) who get some sort of temporary bonus... (maybe a theme to it?).

Anyway, excited to try out your format sometime!

Hahaha, I was actually thinking today about running this format in a local tournament later this summer. But I was afraid it would kick out too many fun figures & command cards to play with, especially now that we have a few local people buying newer stuff.

I may go with this: Maximum of 3 Top 16 Deployments, Max of 3 command cards of cost 2 or higher from Top 16. That would make list building more of a challenge.

i actually did something similar to this as well. In shot, I split the deployments and command cards into Three tiers and then said that max one deployment and command cards from tier 1, 2 deployments and 3 command cards from tier 2 and the rest must be tier 3. Lots and lots of the borderline scum and rebel heroes hit the table in our mini tournament.

Grr. I can't get the google doc to open (probably because google is blocked in China). Could you just cut and past the deployment cards that were in the top 16 into a post? I think we would still allow any command cards but getting IG88, Darth, Han etc, off the board for a while would be fun... Might even see BIV!

So Temp Alliance is banned. I'd argue against that, as it could make for some still fun "hirings."

38 minutes ago, wannabepudge said:

So Temp Alliance is banned. I'd argue against that, as it could make for some still fun "hirings."

Its still very open for buisness. Saska is your "friend".

1 hour ago, wannabepudge said:

So Temp Alliance is banned. I'd argue against that, as it could make for some still fun "hirings."

Imp Temp Alliance is also still Open for Business ?

... as is the Ugnaught.

Seems like a cool idea. We had one for doing a bad list tournament, where you have to come up witht the worst (usable) list possible and swap lists withyour opponent. More challenging than you think!

Also, probably not making a huge difference, but a couple of command cards missing from the no 16 list: new orders and force push.

I put this together, I would say that you can really do whatever you want within reason. Kenny has discussed doing a "draft" to ban CCs, so not everything is banned. I would personally not ban Temp. Alliance, since w/o the RC++ you lose a lot of power and the people you pull aren't going to be great.

Also, thanks for the heads up on missing cards, I am sure we are missing small things here or there. And, @purplemonkeyandy we had a discussion about that as well. Doing the make a list for your opponent.

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The Pick Some-16 Method

If you still wanna play with your precious Han, IG-88 or Gideon, this method is for you. The amount of deployments and command cards on Zion's Finest No-16 spreadsheet are restricted in the following ways:

• You MAY NOT PICK MORE THAN 3 deployment cards from the Rebel Deployment, Imperial Deployment and Scum Deployment tabs
  • If you pick a deployment card with more than one figure (e.g. Elite Jet Troopers, Elite Weequay Pirates) and/or is non-Unique (e.g. Cross Training), you may use additional copies of that card in your army
  • Cards that do not count towards your pick limit:
    • Unshakable
    • Heroic Effort
    • Temporary Alliance
    • Rogue Smuggler
    • Wookie Avenger
    • Driven By Hatred
    • Focused On The Kill
• You MAY NOT PICK MORE THAN 3 command cards that cost 2 or 3 points from the Command Cards tab
  • If you pick a command card that allows for more than one copy of the card in a command deck (e.g. Reinforcements, Parting Blow), you may use additional copies of that card in your deck
  • Cards that do not count towards your pick limit:
    • Debts Repaid

Is this format something y'all would want to play?

4 hours ago, cnemmick said:

Is this format something y'all would want to play?

Sounds fine but not as interesting as removing all of the things from the top 16. With 3 deployments/command cards you still get the same archetypes just with some weaker stuff to fill in the list.

2 hours ago, TheUnsullied said:

Sounds fine but not as interesting as removing all of the things from the top 16. With 3 deployments/command cards you still get the same archetypes just with some weaker stuff to fill in the list.

@ThatJakeGuy called it "slightly worse quality standard IA", which is the goal. If somebody builds an IG-88 list in this format, their list has less assumed power due to restrictions. If you pick IG-88, eWeequays & Gideon, you will not have the card draw power normally given by Jabba, R2-D2 and/or Black Market; how do you play a slow-moving smuggler box when you pick Han, Chewie & Threepio and have no access to R2-D2, Hera, Gideon, Mak, Jyn or rSmugglers?

I think this format also encourages creativity. eAllianceRangers/Hera/Threepio can use Leia and Ko-Tun. Normally this list has significant power weaknesses, but in the Some-16 format, its weaknesses will be similar to lists with Han, Vader or Iggy.

That being said, I'm definitely looking forward to a No-16 tourney.

Beast Machines should do well in this format.

15 minutes ago, Fightwookies said:

Beast Machines should do well in this format.

Beast Machines was pretty reliant on Gideon/Threepio for support. Jabba, Onar, and Temp are banned, so the usual suspects are out. Perhaps eNexu?

16 hours ago, ThatJakeGuy said:

Beast Machines was pretty reliant on Gideon/Threepio for support. Jabba, Onar, and Temp are banned, so the usual suspects are out. Perhaps eNexu?

sure, against other meta lists you'd want them. Bantha/beast tamer is going to be tough to take down early for some of these non meta lists. The HK's with their re-rolls are going to be some of the best remaining ranged units.

On 5/31/2018 at 3:16 PM, cnemmick said:

Is this format something y'all would want to play?

The format is interesting, but I would want the 'fix' cards to count towards the limits. You can take the meta lynchpins, though the rest of your list has to be more original. It might also tempt someone to try the unfixed version.

1 hour ago, Alastairk said:

The format is interesting, but I would want the 'fix' cards to count towards the limits. You can take the meta lynchpins, though the rest of your list has to be more original. It might also tempt someone to try the unfixed version.

My initial fear was that committing two picks to Han/Iggy/Vader/Chewie + Skirmish Attachment would be too restrictive. But making skirmish attachments separate picks would definitely take the double-focusing Rebel Care Package out of lists with fixed Han, Iggy and Chewie; it would also make Zillo a more difficult choice for Vader + his attachment. Great suggestion!

Given the nature of Wookie Avenger, I still think Debts Repaid should not require a player's pick. It gives Chewie an advantage in command card picks, but it still limits Chewie's command card draw at the start of each game and you are still locked into two of your deployment picks being Chewie and Wookie Avenger.

Updated Format ( also available here in Google Docs form ):

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The Pick Some-16 Method

If you still wanna play with your precious Han, IG-88 or Gideon, this method is for you. The amount of deployments and command cards on Zion's Finest No-16 spreadsheet are restricted in the following ways:

• You MAY NOT PICK MORE THAN 3 deployment cards from the Rebel Deployment, Imperial Deployment and Scum Deployment tabs
  • If you pick a deployment card with more than one figure (e.g. Elite Jet Troopers, Elite Weequay Pirates) and/or is non-Unique (e.g. Cross Training), you may use additional copies of that card in your army
  • Cards that do not count towards your pick limit:
    • Unshakable
    • Heroic Effort (Rebel)
    • Temporary Alliance (Scum)
• You MAY NOT PICK MORE THAN 3 command cards that cost 2 or 3 points from the Command Cards tab
  • If you pick a command card that allows for more than one copy of the card in a command deck (e.g. Reinforcements, Parting Blow), you may use additional copies of that card in your deck
  • Cards that do not count towards your pick limit:
    • Debts Repaid

We're going to have a store tourney in this format this weekend, I'll report lists and results (if I remember, somebody remind me).

On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 12:37 PM, ThatJakeGuy said:

Basically, any deployment or command card that appeared in any list of the Top 16 of the most recent Worlds is banned.

Sounds like fun, but I had a thought that might make it less restrictive (but still restrictive in the right way)

Only ban cards that were used in multiple lists in the Top 16.

That way, if only one player used Vinto for instance, Vinto would still be available for selection.

But if eight players use Zillo, then that removes it from selection.

The only major issue to that ruling would be if there was only one rebel player who made it into the Top 16 for example.