1 minute ago, Ignithas said:

I actually think that Scorpion was hit the most. Forged Edict is one of the best cards in the game. Not being able to play MF forces Scorpion to be more proactive, which they would be able, if PFB wouldn't be also on this list. Being proactive without PFB really hampers your ability to deal with Lion and Dragon. 

I think Scorpion could keep seeing similar results if they started splashing Phoenix for Display of Power. They'll miss the Let Go but they have native attachment hate so that isn't too, too much of a loss.

I'd say Dragon is probably affected the most since they'll want to keep splashing Crab for Reprieve and thus be forced to choose between PFB, MF, and Charge.

Among top tier decks Crab is probably affected the least since this doesn't really touch our usual splashes.

27 minutes ago, shineyorkboy said:

I think Scorpion could keep seeing similar results if they started splashing Phoenix for Display of Power. They'll miss the Let Go but they have native attachment hate so that isn't too, too much of a loss.

I'd say Dragon is probably affected the most since they'll want to keep splashing Crab for Reprieve and thus be forced to choose between PFB, MF, and Charge.

Among top tier decks Crab is probably affected the least since this doesn't really touch our usual splashes.

Dragon is by far the clan I played the most in the past (followed by Scorpion) and I think that the restrictions for Dragon seems heavier then they actually are. Charge was overrated in Dragon and the build with Satoshi+Censure and no Charge and Charge+ Yaruma/Tadakatsu are pretty equal from a powerlevel standpoint (but the Satoshi build is more swingy). The two cards that hurt Dragon are Miromoto's Fury and Policy Debate. Dragon was probably the best clan to play Policy Debate, because they don't have a natural event cancel and balanced stats made it easy to play it on mil without attacking/defending suboptimal. While Miromoto's Fury certainly hurt, I think that it was overrated in tempo decks that are attachment heavy.

I don't think that Phoenix is a good splash for Scorpion, because Display of Power (while a good Card), lacks the impact of the best splash choices.

6 hours ago, WookieHairdresser said:

Only concern is if this leaves Phoenix untouchable at the top of the pile now, if only they didn't have that OP holding

I sincerely doubt that for a few reasons. As others have stated, Scorpion has other options to work around this with. And Phoenix wasn't exactly untouched by this, having Against the Waves on the list pretty much means aggressive shugenja decks can't use any of the other restricted cards, and there are few situations where Charge! is going to beat out other cards on that list, which means our big firebird loses a lot of play because it's rare anyone wants to pay that much fate for it.

Having a restricted list this early really speaks volumes about the design of the game.

6 hours ago, shineyorkboy said:

I'd say Dragon is probably affected the most since they'll want to keep splashing Crab for Reprieve and thus be forced to choose between PFB, MF, and Charge.

Totally agree with you here. (My Dragon/Crab deck will keep 3 Blades and 3 Reprieves, tossing out the 3 Fury and 2 Charge!)

6 hours ago, shineyorkboy said:

Among top tier decks Crab is probably affected the least since this doesn't really touch our usual splashes.

Yup, pretty much what I’m speculating as well.... holy St Peter - we are in agreement on 2 similar topics, back to back! Surely the world is coming to an end!!!

I agree that a Restricted List this early means that mistakes were made during the design process. However, it also shows that they're willing to accept that and attempt to remedy it to improve things.

Would I prefer the mistakes hadn't been made? Sure, but FFG are in this for the long run, and so am I.

I think part of the imbalance also comes down to last minute changes to cards based on late play test feedback and certain expectations that were made in play test (like the rumored all decks were built assuming every deck was running 3 Clouds) that haven't materialized once the cards got into the wild.

There are always going to be interactions that slip by the play test and design stages only because it takes someone looking at the cards from a different perspective to put a missing piece together that unlocks something unforeseen, and so having an active restricted list that can address those imbalances is actually to me the sign of a healthy rules team that is actively working to address those imbalances.

Now if only they would get around to compiling the developers rulings that are littering the outside forums into a comprehensive list that they could host I would have my dream rules trifecta (Comprehensive RRG, Banned/Restricted List, and Comprehensive Card FAQ) ready to go.

It's very refreshing to see such positive feedback to this announcement and not the usual "the sky is falling, the game is dead" hysteria. Very cool indeed.

Without Charge!, is it possible to see Raise the Alarm played/ splashed? ^^

22 minutes ago, Soshi Saibankan said:

Without Charge!, is it possible to see Raise the Alarm played/ splashed? ^^

It may see play but it will still be garbage and the sign that you had nothing else to put in that slot so it was a desperation play.

Maybe in a Dragon deck with Crab splash where you can use the Togashi monk to preview what is going in your provinces so you can guarantee you know what is in the facedown province, but even than its a very specific and slim margin of success.

If it makes any of you feel better, there is a ban list in the new Enlightenment format.

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Enlightenment Banned List

The following cards are not eligible for use during enlightenment games:

• Display of Power (Core Set, 179)

• Ide Tadaji (Imperial Cycle, 29)

• Togashi Tadakatsu (Disciples of the Void, 15)

2 hours ago, Coyote Walks said:

If it makes any of you feel better, there is a ban list in the new Enlightenment format.

I'm confused, how is the ban on one of my favorite cards supposed to make me feel better? ? ?

Is Ide Tadaji banned for being bad?

2 minutes ago, MOONOVERRUNE said:

Is Ide Tadaji  banned for being bad?

There is no mechanic yet for inviting allies to attack or defend, so he is a little odd. If all the Characters brought in that are not Defending are considered to be attacking, Tadaji would be broken and disruptive.

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Action : While this character is participating in a conflict, choose a ready non-participating character with printed cost 2 or lower controlled by each player – move each chosen character to the conflict.

So in other words, Tadaji would have been good in multi-player?

Disruptive though, I agree

1 hour ago, HirumaShigure said:

So in other words, Tadaji would have been good in multi-player?

No, no, he just doesn't work given the rules. Unless you're the attacker or defender, you can't have characters in that conflict. Tadaji says " controller by each player". So... yeah.

It wouldn't surprise me if Tadaji was balanced for mulitplayer...

On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:57 AM, HirumaShigure said:

It's very refreshing to see such positive feedback to this announcement and not the usual "the sky is falling, the game is dead" hysteria. Very cool indeed.

This is what I was going to comment on myself. There are very few people complaining or using hyperbole. This is cool.

Now, we've apparently derailed onto multiplayer. I'm also cool with that.

On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 3:30 PM, Coyote Walks said:

If it makes any of you feel better, there is a ban list in the new Enlightenment format.

No! My new favorite disruption, Togashi Tadakatsu (Disciples of the Void, 15), no!

Actually, that makes perfect sense. You don't have a single opponent to chose your ring in a multiplayer game. Although, the opponent you are attacking should be able to choose from your existing rings, so maybe...  He'd need multiplayer errata to that effect. And perhaps all 4 of the multiplayer bands (not sure how to conjugate that, past tense of ban, pluralized. Banneds?) will receive multiplayer-errata. Probably need to test the game out first through the giant beta.

EDIT: Actually, if I were to read, like, anything, I would know that the MP rules state that "your opponent" & "the opponent" is " referring to the singular other player participating in the conflict against you. " Also, Togashi Tadakatsu reads: " The defending player chooses the element... "

Sheesh. Y'all can just disregard that little aside. Guess that's not why he's banned.