15 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

UnGuy is a short hand so that I don't blow up his in box with notifications. I didn't call him a prick for crying out loud. Get the two straight. Serves me right for trying to be at least the tiniest bit considerate. Also, since he did ask nicely(rather ironically now): @Undeadguy fair, I'll try and be better about that. To be real though I got A TON of people trying to talk to me right now and all their comments are getting jumbled in my head which isn't helping. I'm trying to hit on the ideas to conserve space, and not the people as much just so it's not personal ad much as can be expected, and y'all can just take or leave what you want. And I ramble anyway, further compounding the problem. Very stream of consciousness type of writer.

Back to my history post, scuse @Ardaedhel

On Riekan, as it will not surprise you, not all the things we say in our local groups make it into the forums. Around that time your looking I was probably still in school full time and working full time. My forum use was a bit more focused on other things and just liking posts while on brief breaks. It was such a foregone conclusion in my mind further commentary wasn't necessary. And then guess what. HE GOT NERFED!

On tractors, yup, you found one. Told you you would didn't I? Imagine that, an honest self assessment. So weird. Problem then was I got so burned back then in X-wing I had a huge reaction to them in Armada. Proved wrong, later used them for fun games. Like I said earlier "when I'm screwing around with Konstantine (rip tournament scoring)". Thank god they aren't THAT good. I feel like somewhere in there should even be a comment of how I overreacted, though many times I'll start working posts and then delete them as I get distracted and lose train of thought with work or whatever, and that may have been one of them. But for real dude major props on the search. Cherry pick some more. This is fun.

And clusters. In the words of Obi-wan "good job". Did you not notice the post was phrased in questions? Asking WHY we DIDN'T see them too often? And I quote "I feel like they [would be good]" and then held up no evidence to declare myself factually correct. Hmm, curious that. People were looking for responses to fighters in that thread, I was offering suggestions asking why they weren't considered. It's not like we had external racks back then, which are kinda obviously what they were hoping to do with CB but way the h#$@ better. Or raiders, which admittedly suck still. Didn't see many of those doing well at worlds did we. Hadn't stopped the forums from trying to prove otherwise. Also at the time my response to fighters, was duh fighters. I only engaged in the conversation to offer what my side of the equation was in personal experience. Never said they were Good as a card, just as a desirable effect for what they were trying to do if they could make it work. Heaven forbid I ask a question or offer a hypothetical solution for testing on a public forum. In fact, didn't they answer that later? I remember that thread being rather productive.

Am I the only one taking about how great the 75 is still? It'd be fun in a madine list. But no it's not OP. I want more reasons to use the Profundity with some new objectives though. That would be sweet.

@Roquax There had got to be more to that story and I'm dying to hear it. ? ? I need pics, if they cracked the Raddus code with Warlord, the world needs to know. ?

You're obviously passionate which is great but I think you out to slow down on the energy drinks. Go get yourself a YORKSHIRE cup of tea and calm down a little.

Your points may be valid but they're coming across a little bit preachy just at the moment.

7 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

15 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

There had got to be more to that story and I'm dying to hear it. ? ? I need pics, if they cracked the Raddus code with Warlord, the world needs to know. ?

The Raddus code isn’t even that hard to crack...

1) Keep everything in front of you

2) Make EVERYWHERE a death zone to drop

thats it....

squadrons and objectives make the above two points even easier      

Thats pretty much what happened. Plus a Vic 1 has more dice in the front than a 75, an extra redirect and is significantly cheaper. Add in Warlord, QBT, Jonus and its not even fair.

2 minutes ago, Kristjan said:

Thats pretty much what happened. Plus a Vic 1 has more dice in the front than a 75, an extra redirect and is significantly cheaper. Add in Warlord, QBT, Jonus and its not even fair.

Sato craps on Raddus for the same reasons if anyone is interested.

2 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Sato craps on Raddus for the same reasons if anyone is interested.

Sloane wasn't nice to my Raddus fleets either. I had to make sure those fighters couldn't get to my drop ships and kill them. Or just take out the Raddus drop when it landed. I was spread all over the place and that ended up being.. bad.

My request for pics stands. How, in, the, world, did they park a Raddus bomb in front of a Vic. That the Vic can win that fight I have no doubt. How the bomb got there is what I can't fathom. We've seen this happen when we were Worlds prepping on youtube videos and streams. Peeps dropping in ludicrous spots and then raising their hands like whoops! I guess I died, must not be OP! Which we reviewed as good info but ultimately bad data. We learned from them that you did have to approach a flank against everything whenever possible, duh, which evolved us towards twin transports to get those flankers AND a center ship. Besides solidified our approach to the win anyway which was pretty self explanatory of get one massive kill and run. Most variations started to hinge around the center ship. 90s, the classic remained strong, Yavaris, Peltas, even 30s and a Liberty no squad versions emerged. All of which played slightly differently but obviously still had that main pinch with s bomb.

I guess earlier I forgot to mention our tests against Sloan and Sato. While both did better than most except Riekan (go figure. Also Cheshire is really good even without Riekan, so there's a data skew anyway), we still had too many problems with premature tabling. Ever since the regulation change for flottilas, and the nerfs to relay and Yavaris, they were really struggling to counter the bomb. While the flexibility of the fighters got them back on target when the bomb did arrive, it usually went the way of yeah cool, you killed the bomb, but after the bomb and it's support killed your carrier/combat ships and triggered game end conditions. So yeah, you scored the 75 and maybe the HH or the 90 or the whatever, but then died to EOG tables at massive losses. Even trying to spread the fighters to make use of the blocking ability they have against Raddus wasn't helping much. Sure, they forced sub optimal drops but then the bomb would switch from a attack drop to a trap drop. Going somewhere nestled outside the fighter screen but in wait for the carrier to move right into black range, often double arced. This only played to the Raddus effect as he can't activate first anyway, so just waited to get the best priority target with what he had. Weather the storm as the fighters come back, and then hammer time out the second drop, trade out 75 for some biggie, and leave in a profitable position. Sloan did better than Sato in these tests in terms of what they managed to kill since dodging Sato guns was easier than Sloan token stripping and raw fighter output with all it's rerolls, but more often than not Sloan would end up tabled as the poor empire didn't have the points to field the squad complement they wanted against every other archetype, while still having enough ships to prevent EOG tables against Raddus. And then Sato would limp away alive, but not really winning. And with a solid rebel top four at Worlds I feel no compunction in saying the empire is in dire straits currently in the meta, I expect no argument there. Stupidly, I feel Raddus effect would have been better and still thematicaly appropriate on Thrawn. His general tactic of using interdictor ships to coordinate precision hyperspace jumps would have fit here, and surprise ISD would have been ludicrously powerful. But Rebel fighters being what they are could have dealt with that far better than the underwhelming empire line up currently does with Raddus dropping in 75s. Speaking of, I'm off to my next game. Don't know what I want to play tonight. Anything but Raddus after all this.

2 hours ago, Roquax said:

I ran an MC75 with Raddus in a friendly game last night. I got absolutely murdered by a VSD.

Warlord VSDs are OP. Raddus MC75 is fine.

Yes but you are Canadian, a lowly Canadian champ....

13 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

My request for pics stands. How, in, the, world, did they park a Raddus bomb in front of a Vic.

You play the Vic better than your opponents play the Vic. That's all this is.

You play against excellent opponents and they find a way to make your life ****. In this case, at worlds I played Raddus against @Kristjan who made the front of the Vic wide open and everywhere else a pain to get to. Because he is an excellent player who knew his fleet and how to play it.

I didn't drop in his front, but because of the way the rest of the table was set up making that choice meant that I would be unlikely to get a kill on the Vic, and I was correct. I could not have killed the Vic in that game.

We ended the game turn 5 in a tie. While it was fairly likely I could have pulled narrowly ahead by killing a station assault station, we ran out of time and will never know whether Warlord or Raddus wins that one.

14 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

You play the Vic better than your opponents play the Vic. That's all this is.

You play against excellent opponents and they find a way to make your life ****. In this case, at worlds I played Raddus against @Kristjan who made the front of the Vic wide open and everywhere else a pain to get to. Because he is an excellent player who knew his fleet and how to play it.

I didn't drop in his front, but because of the way the rest of the table was set up making that choice meant that I would be unlikely to get a kill on the Vic, and I was correct. I could not have killed the Vic in that game.

We ended the game turn 5 in a tie. While it was fairly likely I could have pulled narrowly ahead by killing a station assault station, we ran out of time and will never know whether Warlord or Raddus wins that one.

On 5/22/2018 at 4:15 PM, ForceSensitive said:

Total rookie mistake.

I think you should jump on Vassal and play all these people you seem to think are noobs.

2 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Cherry pick some more. This is fun.

Show me one single non-obvious opinion of yours that has panned out from the window between when you started posting about Armada and the release of Wave V on 22 Dec 2016, and then try the "cherry picking" defense again.

And totally telling your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate that Rieekan was good that one time when you were playing in the Queen of Hearts' basement doesn't count.

In the meantime, Dr. Vader has a tried and true prescription for dealing with Raddus MC75s.

That's not fair. You're taking away all his anecdotes.

1 hour ago, ForceSensitive said:

My request for pics stands. How, in, the, world, did they park a Raddus bomb in front of a Vic. That the Vic can win that fight I have no doubt. How the bomb got there is what I can't fathom. We've seen this happen when we were Worlds prepping on youtube videos and streams. Peeps dropping in ludicrous spots and then raising their hands like whoops! I guess I died, must not be OP! Which we reviewed as good info but ultimately bad data. We learned from them that you did have to approach a flank against everything whenever possible, duh, which evolved us towards twin transports to get those flankers AND a center ship. Besides solidified our approach to the win anyway which was pretty self explanatory of get one massive kill and run. Most variations started to hinge around the center ship. 90s, the classic remained strong, Yavaris, Peltas, even 30s and a Liberty no squad versions emerged. All of which played slightly differently but obviously still had that main pinch with s bomb.

I guess you're right. An MC75 isn't that powerful of a ship. I tried to flank my opponent, but I didn't deploy that well (I'm still learning how to play Raddus).

What is your general strategy with drops? Should I aim to drop in the front or flank? Do you think an MC75 would be able to go toe-to-toe against a Defiance side arc? What do you think about a Kuat Avenger front arc? Is either just suicide?

With aspiration/ews/Lando you can drop pretty Much anywhere and withstand one big hit

One is the key word here. Raddus excels at punishing fleets with one heavy hitter- so bring more than one and watch that drop ship melt

59 minutes ago, Roquax said:

What is your general strategy with drops?

Git gud. That's it

Not gonna quote a wall of text but..

It shouldn't take a page to say "pics or it didn't happen"...

These self aggrandizing monologues are like binge watching 13 reasons why, but with a worse ending.

4 hours ago, Roquax said:

I guess you're right. An MC75 isn't that powerful of a ship. I tried to flank my opponent, but I didn't deploy that well (I'm still learning how to play Raddus).

What is your general strategy with drops? Should I aim to drop in the front or flank? Do you think an MC75 would be able to go toe-to-toe against a Defiance side arc? What do you think about a Kuat Avenger front arc? Is either just suicide?

Oh, and before you call THIS guy a noob, @ForceSensitive , you might want to watch this video....

4 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I think you should jump on Vassal and play all these people you seem to think are noobs.

Did I say anyone was a noob? Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh I'm guessing your going to say I implied it, am I right? Ah yes, implication on the internet in text based conversation, devoid of inflection and tone and facial expression required for effective use of implication. I see. Oh that's okay, you covered your self well by stating that I only seem to think that. So your good. No harm no foul. No desk/laptop currently. I prefer playing in person anyway. But I play in Columbus Ohio, if you want to make the trip, come kick my teeth in your self. I already told you I barely scrapped into top sixteen at the one regional and these guys are world champs. You/they should have no problem, I'd be disappointed if they did? PM me. I swear I'm cooler in person then this thread makes me out to be. Seriously, love to have you. Buy your beer and everything. Swear on my honor. Monday nights are best.

@Roquax oh yeah those are both suicide. I played defiance for a while (also at aforementioned regional come to think of it) and while there is a perfect storm scenario that could one shot the 75, even with ECM you only survive one shot as the 75. And I've been on the receiving end of BTAvenger often enough to know how that goes. Always flank, or outside moving to flank. Last time I played I was forced out of a good drop by multiple reasons and had to cut across the nose of a cymoon. Worked, took down the demo threat, but couldn't repeat that without some luck and I had to do some modifying to my plan, so really I wouldn't recommend anything with a serious arc. Against a '80h1 you can aim to drop in front of them and go double arcing their front, which for all practical purposes IS their flank, while blocking their forward motion and locking them in and down. It's why Ackbar didn't do so well this time around if I had to guess, too many lost to bomb drops. Careful though, I saw someone take one 75 off the board trying to do that but badly. But you have to be aggressive with the flanking gr's. They don't have much reason to take them on. It's just like playing hyperspace assault, but better. Your warp points are ships that move speed three with very good maneuverability and no need to do anything but increase that with navigating commands. They can't be disrupted by Strategic squads. And they have a scatter. And every shot spent at them when it could have gone to a combat ship is wasted with the new table rules as it just let's the other gr get further around the other side and potentially keeps your important ships intact if you play it right. Another mistake you can fall into is getting TOO far behind them. No matter if your going first or second, it's never that great to be following someone in Armada ironically. Unless you have a bump in front of them that lives. If you put Navi hazards in your pool, it's an easy 45 points there for the floaters too, so you have that if they take it. Anyway, trying to focus on what my core strategy with him would be in a small package? Well. That's an interesting question. I make a large net of drop points with my two gr and center, sometimes it shorts around a side if the deployment goes weird. I try and form a net in a large arc around their fleet that keeps them split. Then if they commit to a side I drop on the off side, if they don't I take the target that had the biggest priority in points for tournament play. But if the net gets set up right, I get my choice of drop and angle, if I need to I can drop the HH as a speed bump that pulls their fire as well, or at least alters their flight, usually it ends up going along a side so they can't turn without bumping. In some versions I have dropped straight in front of things like ISDs, but out of range so that they come in and a follow up is behind me. If it looks like the best way to win is to trade the bomb for a table, well, fine. It's not often though. Basically, yeah, the majority has it. Don't drop somewhere dumb and trade your bomb to a no win situation. You have options. Most time u see it bucked up is because they didn't make use of that. Also don't over commit. Kill one or two things and leave happy. I'd need pics to show you situations. Got a game from Monday and got the pics from a friend. Lots of interesting play in that one. Is imgur still the way to go for this or is there something else people are using these days? Bonus round, you can all rip to shreds what I did wrong. I'm sure you'll find something. Also bonus! It has a 75, so we're still on topic! Hooray!

Lol. Just saw the video ? ? guess I'm preaching to the choir? Bwahaha!

*Saw the post with the video. Haven't watched the whole thing. Probably should be clear.

If you need me to be exact, fine.

I'd like to see you jump on Vassal to play JJ and Roquax at a minimum, both of whom you have thrown shade toward in this thread. Vassal is free, unlike a trip to Ohio. Jump online and play those two gentleman you have seen fit to disparage in this thread. Hide behind your sarcasm all you want. I have no bone in this fight. I have never at any point claimed to be any good, unlike youself.

@Truthiness I think he don't need to necessarily play against them, any other competitive vassal player should have no problems.

The only question that needs answering is : How does Raddus perform with the best players?

FFG are trying very hard to break the hold Rieekan has on the competitive scene, it would be a shame for them to succeed only for Raddus to become the new meta monster.

45 minutes ago, Aresius said:

@Truthiness I think he don't need to necessarily play against them, any other competitive vassal player should have no problems.

A volunteer! Excellent! You’re third in line to crack some skulls.

9 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

A volunteer! Excellent! You’re third in line to crack some skulls.

Why me? I'm not competitive and skilled player.

@Forcesensitive i think you are giving defiance too much credit. in one of the games i played (it was against a good player in our local meta, let's call him "Grand Master Yik", he is not super amazing or the best - well maybe second best) anyway i digress, back to defiance. so when i was playing GMY, he was running defiance and i was originally aiming to drop my raddus MC75 (with expanded launchers because i think its better than external racks because if you get to use external racks more than once, i think it pays for itself because hey, whats 13 vs 3 points right? you will really wish you paid the extra points if it goes off a second time, but then again it only goes off like 5% of my games, but in those 5% it doesn't really matter). so back to defiance, i was aiming to drop in the front but he was able to block the drop with his squadrons (i actually think squadrons are the key to raddus as they block deployment. what do you think is the idea anti-raddus squadron list? do you go with 12 a-wings or something less obnoxious like 18 z-95s? anyway back to defiance, i was able to drop on the side (because the front was blocked) and close range. so 4 red and 2 blue +1 for defiance wasnt so bad (and i even forget to use aspiration) and there wasnt enough damage to deplete the shields. when i hit back i had 2 blue and 5 black +1 with CF dial. let me tell you, ACM with all that raw data hurts and i was able to kill the ship without taking that much damage. so maybe MC75 can take a defiance side arc. what about a kuat avenger? for those, maybe you can run MS1 so you can tap the avenger title, but then again you dont active first (is Kuat really the best ship to take avenger? what about a cymoon or even better TWO cymoons? but then you need to take vader and not sloane, so no big fighters to block the raddus drop). if it's not an avenger, i think the MC75 can take a hit and keep on ticking. but my strategy has always been "gung ho" and dropping stuff in the front because then they cant get away, they have to face me, but sometimes that doesn't work. what do you think? i dont' know about flanking people because then you can only really take out one ship and most poeple know that in tournaments you need to win big in order to make the cut. how do you think i should deal with that? i need to win big and yet outflank? I was playing a doubles/team game once and we played the objective where the table is turned sideways - do you know which one? anyway, my buddy and i were running all-ships Imperials (i know its not raddus, but i wanted to talk about something not raddus to show how raddus is good) anyway, the bar in the venue was open (it was 10AM), which was amazing because me and my buddy didn't care about the game and we wanted to have fun. our oppoenents were also cool dudes, they shared their beer, i think one guy had a porter that he gave some to me. i like porters (i think it was coffee porter so it was great being 10AM) anyway, beer isn't good for my keto diet since i cant have carbs, but you cant refuse beer right? i mean if raddus dropped and had beer, woudl you refuse? even if it was a Kuat Avenger Ale? i don't think anyonen would. so i drank the beer even though it wasn't keto, well it doesn't matter becuase i wasn't on my diet that entire weekend anyway, so we drank beer and played armada - oh the objective was blockade run, its the one where you turn the table sideways. we tried to move tables but the judge made us move back and this was after we gave him some potatoe chips. so we didn't give him anymore potatoe chips the rest of teh tournament. but anyway, we played blockade run and it was a fun game. we had some beers, lots of beers and i think the bartender at the place didnt like me because i told her that MC75s were OP and she looked at me like "WTF, VSD Warlord is where its at" so i didnt tip her. anyway, do youthink that raddus MC75 is OP for blockade run? what if you are facing two ISDs and a quasar and a coffee porter? note that i wasn't drunk at the game on turns 1-3. but there was a lot of beer that game and i don't remember much. also the guy with the coffee porter had some nice command trays, so i called the judge over because he had command trays and i didn't. technically that's using more than one tool at a time but then the judge came and ruled against me - something like command trays are not a tool, so that's why i didn't give the judge more potatoe chips. he dind't notice that we were drinking beer, or maybe he did, we sorta smelled like beer, or BO, or beer BO, i don't recall. I was trying to concentrate on my raddus drop. anyway, our opponents were cool, we bought them more beer, but it was that light beer stuff, not the "Raddus Drop Cask Ale", they couldn't handle that. Also, some guy next to me kept handing me some deodorant. i don't know why.

Holy Shitery! I had to read that like 3 times @Roquax ! I might have peed a little laughing....