5 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

The difference is you actually believe we are all noobs... ?

This is the greatest fleet I have ever seen.

8 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

The difference is you actually believe we are all noobs... ?

In Gink's defense, we are only like 242 years old. Compared to the British empire, we are like toddlers...

28 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

In Gink's defense, we are only like 242 years old. Compared to the British empire, we are like toddlers...

Lol dayum. I go to work out and come back to a page of notifications. Don't even know where to begin. So uh, for starters, Raddus was two of the top four on day one, and was used in eight of the fifteen rebel fleets that day. Source: https://intelsweep.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/overnight-report-worlds-day-1a/ dude did a day two report, it's back theres a ways. Yes, I use liberal sarcasm and snark. We're all on the same web, I expect to receive back what I give and aim to make good returns on what I receive. I used to try and be polite and reasonable and lay out logical thoughts and arguments, but experience has taught me, as I'm sure one day it will you, that in these faceless discussions it never works. Everyone is so ****-bent on being right that they'll ignore anything and everything and continue to think their way regardless. So with two options, being reasonable or being sarcastic, I've drifted lately too the more fun option. Trolling? Maybe. That's a subjective view so for each of you to decide. I intend to still use evidence and logic to underline my points, so think what you will as I've already pointed out that you do.

Trying to be just and get everyone here, not going to tag people so hopefully I respond equally to all. Yes, I have a lot of experience in the game, been playing since release about 2-3 games a week or as time allows after jumping out of X-wing play since it's wave 2. My work doesn't allow me alot of time off on weekends however so I have VERY little Armada tournament experience I confess. I consider my group to be highly competitive skill wise as they often place wins or highly when they get out on the scene. With that in mind I will tell you I'm not the best in the group, that belongs to the guy who taught me how to play well. Let's call him Cheshire, I'm sure he'll get a kick out of that. Full disclosure, last tournament I went(Indy regional) to I totally bucked up round two and threw away what should have been a 10-1 my favor in to a 1-10 his. Still got top 16, but barely. My usual character flaw of getting cocky and trying to play fancy/get greedy got the better of me. I'm not one to claim flawless. Fun fact to that tournament was seeing how low the general skill level was. I mean seriously, TWO opponents picked advanced gunnery into my version of Doom pickle that day. And then walked into the guns. Like the one objective I didn't think I'd get to play that day at all was half of my day. Utter Insanity.

Before you played JJ, there's a prediction on one of the world's coverage threads where I predicted a bit of the games with only looking at the lists and I had you as winning handily and the group I hang with were all in agreement, and following the game on twitch while I was at work. The thread of comments through my messages apps was gut wrenching to come back to. We had spent the two months prior practicing and prepping as though we were going to worlds to see how well we could predict the field and results. We were scary close and we're pretty proud of that. Because in our area, every since Canada Nationals, we've been braining our heads against the meta puzzle to no avail. We had come up with some responses like Motti-doctors, Riekan tanks, and just some tricks that could eke out wins or at least strong losses, but we couldn't then get most of those to do well against the rest of the archetypes, Riekan was the only one still doing okay with like a twenty percent rate against it, IF the dice went his way. Legit there are five guys all very skilled, and combing through forums and results searching and testing, working on this at the time mind you. And to this day, WE will still put our beer money on JJ winning that game. Assuming he doesn't fly a ship off the board. Zero impact? Who are we kidding here? On that table EVERY move was impactful. And as it always goes at that level, it's who makes a mistake. And that's just the way it is. So sure, let's move past that.

Alright, someone said best in the world, real quick let's hit that. It's best at WHO GOT TO GO to worlds. I don't know anyone who got to go from my area. I'd throw Cheshire into that mix and bet on him. Worlds is a limited field. So let's get that straight. Get it, got it, good.

We'll just have to watch how this season goes. Will it be Sloan? Riekan? Ackbar? Our money is on Raddus. But back on topic, not the '75. Though again, it's really REALLY good.

Back to my ? ?

17 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Alright, someone said best in the world, real quick let's hit that. It's best at WHO GOT TO GO    to worlds. I don't know anyone who got to go  from my area. I'd throw Cheshire into that mix   and bet on him. Worlds is a limited field. So let  's get that straight. Get it, got it, good.  

You’re throwing shade at a lot of Worlds, National and Regional champs there.

Reasonable works a lot better on this forum im my opinion. Why go the troll route?

Also,

MC75 and Raddus are far from OP in my opinion.

Who is this magical "Cheshire" person? Are they a cat?

19 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Alright, someone said best in the world, real quick let's hit that. It's best at WHO GOT TO GO to worlds. I don't know anyone who got to go from my area. I'd throw Cheshire into that mix and bet on him. Worlds is a limited field. So let's get that straight. Get it, got it, good.

I'm not going to push back against the attitude here, you do you bruh, but in this you have a bit of a point. There are probably many people out there that are unable to attend worlds that are very very good Armada players. But we have no other measuring stick so this is what we have. I would guess that JJ could hold his own against anyone so I don't see the point in diminishing his accomplishments.

I lied.. here's a bit of pushback. One of the things I like about the Armada community is their acceptance and the general lack of "get gud before we respect you" attitude. This, and the responses it's getting, don't do the Armada community any good and bring in an element that we have mostly avoided. You came at me with an "aw shucks little guy you just don't understand what it's really like" which none of the other really good players have ever done.

To be clear, I don't really like the responses you're getting either. While I feel they're warranted it's just not the normal atmosphere here in the forums. In amongst the condescension you do have some decent points.

1 minute ago, durandal343 said:

I'm not going to push back against the attitude here, you do you bruh, but in this you have a bit of a point. There are probably many people out there that are unable to attend worlds that are very very good Armada players. But we have no other measuring stick so this is what we have. I would guess that JJ could hold his own against anyone so I don't see the point in diminishing his accomplishments.

I lied.. here's a bit of pushback. One of the things I like about the Armada community is their acceptance and the general lack of "get gud before we respect you" attitude. This, and the responses it's getting, don't do the Armada community any good and bring in an element that we have mostly avoided. You came at me with an "aw shucks little guy you just don't understand what it's really like" which none of the other really good players have ever done.

To be clear, I don't really like the responses you're getting either. While I feel they're warranted it's just not the normal atmosphere here in the forums. In amongst the condescension you do have some decent points.

I was writing a response that was "less than kind" to @ForceSensitive , but then I read this. You remind me of what I want the community to be and have changed my position on this thread....Thank you, @durandal343 .

Raddus, and the MC75 is not Overpowered IMHO.

@CaribbeanNinja Like I said, trolling is subjective. I've been on this forum for years and if you look through my post history you can find plenty of instances where later I'm proven right, but no debate convinced people of that, UNTIL it became obvious when someone/something else said it for me. I've also proven wrong a few times to be fair. I fall into the individual echo chamber I described earlier every time I go to the rules subforum and try desperately to argue my interpretation of a rule until we've dissected half the rule book to prove me wrong. At least I eventually learn. Proved right on Things like X2.0 for instance, Riekan nerfs, Stuff like that. I mean UnGuy just did a quote spam post strangely proving my points by bizarrely not understanding them for me so really, why even bother? He does the same thing to everyone either way. Why try to raise the sail of logic when the sea of crazy is cresting ten foot waves? Screw it. Jump in the water and have fun.

40 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

And  to this day, WE will still put our beer money on  JJ winning that game. Assuming he doesn't fly a ship off the board. Zero impact? Who are we  kidding  here  ?  On that table EVERY move was impactful  .            And as it always goes  at that le  vel, it's wh  o  makes a mistake  .     A  n  d   that's j  ust t  h   e way i  t i  s      .

...See, up until this point I thought you responded pretty well in your situation. If you want to explain what JJ should have done (for a game where neither of us was at the table,) go ahead. That’s at least a slightly stronger case / classier form of trolling. ?

40 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

So uh, for starters, Raddus was two of the top four on day one, and was used in eight of the fifteen rebel fleets that day       . 

Also, doesn’t this mean he’s placing exactly where he should be, proportionately? Admittedly there would be a lot of mirror matches, but what is this intended to prove?

Edit: missed the word “Rebel.” Apparently I’m blind.

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Also, doesn’t this mean he’s placing exactly where he should be, proportionately? Admittedly there would be a lot of mirror matches, but what is this intended to prove?

That would be my fault, I said there was one and he's correcting me.

5 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

@CaribbeanNinja Like I said, trolling is subjective. I've been on this forum for years and if you look through my post history you can find plenty of instances where later I'm proven right, but no debate convinced people of that, UNTIL it became obvious when someone/something else said it for me. I've also proven wrong a few times to be fair. I fall into the individual echo chamber I described earlier every time I go to the rules subforum and try desperately to argue my interpretation of a rule until we've dissected half the rule book to prove me wrong. At least I eventually learn. Proved right on Things like X2.0 for instance, Riekan nerfs, Stuff like that. I mean UnGuy just did a quote spam post strangely proving my points by bizarrely not understanding them for me so really, why even bother? He does the same thing to everyone either way. Why try to raise the sail of logic when the sea of crazy is cresting ten foot waves? Screw it. Jump in the water and have fun.

It's clear you didn't understand my comment. Everything you described are skills you naturally learn. Yea, so you figured out when to engage with Ackbar, or how to fly ships with Madine. Well guess what? So has everyone else who played those commanders. You didn't unlock some hidden secret or come up with a mind blowing combo. You're just some prick who thinks they are better because you win against your casual group and can beat noobs at the few tournaments you show up at.

43 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Fun fact to that tournament was seeing how low the general skill level was.

43 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Alright, someone said best in the world, real quick let's hit that. It's best at WHO GOT TO GO to worlds. I don't know anyone who got to go from my area. I'd throw Cheshire into that mix and bet on him. Worlds is a limited field. So let's get that straight. Get it, got it, good.

Does anyone else see the irony here? You had a low skill level at your tournament, and then use that as a evidence you are a good player, and then proceed to criticize worlds because no one in your area got to go?

4 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

@CaribbeanNinja Like I said, trolling is subjective. I've been on this forum for years and if you look through my post history you can find plenty of instances where later I'm proven right, but no debate convinced people of that, UNTIL it became obvious when someone/something else said it for me. I've also proven wrong a few times to be fair. I fall into the individual echo chamber I described earlier every time I go to the rules subforum and try desperately to argue my interpretation of a rule until we've dissected half the rule book to prove me wrong. At least I eventually learn. Proved right on Things like X2.0 for instance, Riekan nerfs, Stuff like that. I mean UnGuy just did a quote spam post strangely proving my points by bizarrely not understanding them for me so really, why even bother? He does the same thing to everyone either way. Why try to raise the sail of logic when the sea of crazy is cresting ten foot waves? Screw it. Jump in the water and have fun.

This community (and especially the competitive subset) is actually pretty small. That is kind of a nice thing. And the more you play, the more you meet folks from all over that are actually pretty cool dudes.

I will argue with you all day long, respectfully so, about your thoughts about Raddus being an overpowered commander. (And now also this idea that the competition at Worlds was somehow tarnished.) However, the moment you throw a person under the bus, I think the community will be pretty quick to be snarky and lash back at you.

I know it is difficult to be calm when this happens, but I think it is generally a good idea. Especially if you play amongst this small and fun group.

Tl:dr

And UnGuy continues to impress with his own interpretation of reality. Oh and now he's trying to corelate unrelated points. That's a new one. Oh to live in your world UnGuy, must be so nice. At least I'm not calling people names I guess. So I got that going for me. Which is also nice. Cheers mate!

On that subject, who'd I throw under the bus!? If your thinking JJ that's a misinterpretation, and I apologise to all involved. Like I said, my money is on him any day of the week. But real talk, he made a mistake. You can respect Superman while admitting a flaw like kryptonite. That doesn't make him any less super. The one day he drops a match doesn't negate his previous record, and what I'm sure will continue to be a great one as he goes forward from here. If that got distorted in the discussion, let's clear that up now. Again, that might have been my fault. I'm throwing shade but let's get it right what it hangs over.

@The Jabbawookie if I were to constructively criticize just the 90s move, he shouldn't have had it over there, or as JJ said he realized it was a dead ship regardless, and should have spent the move setting it up for a better approach on the edge to stay on the turn before. I'd have just looped it away long before, but I'm guessing JJ saw more value in engaging it to keep the opponent spread? I'm not claiming to know his particular mind but that's my read on it. JJ might offer us more if we're fortunate.

Remember back when we didn't think Riekan was too bad? And then CC came out. And then he went from doing pretty good straight to Nerf bat? Yeah that was another one I proved right on. But not except for Cheshire demonstrating it repeatedly even before CC. And that's how I'm expecting Raddus to go. Over time people will learn how to play him really well, which is why I was suggesting earlier and previously to user him now. Then his method of winning, which is usually by large margins, will start to float to the top of results. After that he'll be off and away to the bandwagon store. With luck, FFG had foreseen this, or is reading the signs that are starting to show (like half the rebel field day one being Raddus) and if we are so fortunate to get an announcement soon there will be something that curbs the meta around his impact. As it stands, I kind of expect his development to go the way the TIEPhantom did in X-wing, or Riekan has already. Took awhile to catch on, then broke the game.

But hey, topic, 75 is REALLY stinking good. Like dayum. Double ord. Profundity so amazing. Stop! Hammer Time! Is so crazy. Even without Raddus I'd play it all the time. Ackbar+aspiration good too. Double contain is kind of wompwomp but who cares!? Still got B+R and ECM if you want that. And speed 3! It's Soo good. 100 base makes it super efficient to boot.

Force. Word of advice, Armada has a great tight knit community across organised play. When you disrupt someone like JJ you disrupt everyone who has ever played him. Now I understand you may not think you have, but you have.

You may look at me and think that I have insulted many on this forum, however whilst I am abrasive in nature, I do so from a position within the community. I have helped out and know such a large proportion of the tournament players that they can see through my style. You arent afforded this luxury, so please dont view my style as something to copy.

As JJ has already said, the cr90 was irrelevant to the win/loss in that game. So why are you still talking about it? It was very clear to understand why he didnt worry about the cr90, namely because JJ has an inbuilt understanding of the balance of points and threat in any game. Something your posts suggest you lack, no great suprise given you arent a multiple world champ.

16 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Oh to live in your world UnGuy , must be so nice. At least I'm not calling people names I guess.

19 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

Remember back when we didn't think Riekan was too bad? And then CC came out. And then he went from doing pretty good straight to Nerf bat? Yeah that was another one I proved right on.

Were you, though? I'm having no luck finding any comment from you on Rieekan prior to the 22 Dec 2016 release of CC and Wave V. I'll freely admit that I may be missing it, because I just did a quick search between work.

I was, however able to find an interesting queue of assessments you did make at the time. Since I wouldn't want to deprive you of credit for the insight you show, let's look at a few of your hot takes and see how they've panned out:

On 8/6/2016 at 7:55 PM, ForceSensitive said:

Are there not enough point defense upgrades to scare [squadrons] off? I run a rebel fighter fleet in a local campaign league and in one game concentrated AA fire was very close to removing my air force.

Then there was your measured assessment of how insurmountable Imperial control was with the introduction of the Interdictor :

Or maybe Armada wasn't broken a month later:

On 9/8/2016 at 6:32 PM, ForceSensitive said:

I invested waaay to much in X-wing. And I kinda regret that now. And I'm sitting here in Armada land watching the horizon intently to see when it breaks. So that I don't go running of that cliff like I did the last one.

And let's not forget to give credit where it's due for your assessment of the power of Cluster Bombs way ahead of anybody else:

On 10/17/2016 at 7:42 PM, ForceSensitive said:

I'm actually surprised to not see Cluster Bombs. I feel like it would be really good against what I'm commanding lately. Rebel squads so good. Cluster auto damage hurt so bad. Why you no play? Cheap removal spell is cheap. Combine with ship counter 1 for great justice? Decent potential to wipe a Ace just for defending against it.

If multiple world champion is the sole rubric by which you judge, then truly I fear for your opinion of us all. And if the competitive community is so tight, why don't we make you guys your own subforum since your so far above us plebs who don't have the luxury of going to tournaments states if not countries away. Oh I'm sorry, how dare we believe lowly us could compete with your plastic space ships before meeting you on the level of your privilege ? And no worries, while I've seen you around the forums, I can honestly claim to not be copying anyone's attitude, let alone yours. While similarities are bound to exist, this is all me bro. But hey you know what, if it strokes your ego, you believe it if you want. We'll call it my good deed for the day. As for the now infamous 90, JJ asked me to let off it, I did. J-wook asked me to adjust my comment, so I did that as I feel it a fair call out. If calling out a mistake somehow offends your little clique, as you believe it somehow tramples on all your club, well, your the rockstars of the game. You don't get to sit at the top with out scrutiny. Even unto paradise, a flaw. Cheers!

But seriously 75 tho. 9 hull. 4/3/2 Shields. All at 100 points AND speed 3. I mean, Raddus put that to good use with it's awesome arcs and black dice, but even without it's solid. Does die to concentrated bombers though. Double contain helps out a bit against that, butt it will still go down to facedowns just as easily. I'm wondering if the future will see a more dedicated carrier variant. Or wild be thematicaly fitting it's role from R1 as a command vessel.

I ran an MC75 with Raddus in a friendly game last night. I got absolutely murdered by a VSD.

Warlord VSDs are OP. Raddus MC75 is fine.

30 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

If multiple world champion is the sole rubric by which you judge, then truly I fear for your opinion of us all. And if the competitive community is so tight, why don't we make you guys your own subforum since your so far above us plebs who don't have the luxury of going to tournaments states if not countries away. Oh I'm sorry, how dare we believe lowly us could compete with your plastic space ships before meeting you on the level of your privilege ? And no worries, while I've seen you around the forums, I can honestly claim to not be copying anyone's attitude, let alone yours. While similarities are bound to exist, this is all me bro. But hey you know what, if it strokes your ego, you believe it if you want. We'll call it my good deed for the day. As for the now infamous 90, JJ asked me to let off it, I did. J-wook asked me to adjust my comment, so I did that as I feel it a fair call out. If calling out a mistake somehow offends your little clique, as you believe it somehow tramples on all your club, well, your the rockstars of the game. You don't get to sit at the top with out scrutiny. Even unto paradise, a flaw. Cheers!

But seriously 75 tho. 9 hull. 4/3/2 Shields. All at 100 points AND speed 3. I mean, Raddus put that to good use with it's awesome arcs and black dice, but even without it's solid. Does die to concentrated bombers though. Double contain helps out a bit against that, butt it will still go down to facedowns just as easily. I'm wondering if the future will see a more dedicated carrier variant. Or wild be thematicaly fitting it's role from R1 as a command vessel.

Can I make a recommendation? Identify who you are talking to. Quote, tag, make up names. Do something. I'm not sure who you are responding to, even when you named me previously. Your thoughts kinda ramble all together and it's hard to have a discussion.

UnGuy is a short hand so that I don't blow up his in box with notifications. I didn't call him a prick for crying out loud. Get the two straight. Serves me right for trying to be at least the tiniest bit considerate. Also, since he did ask nicely(rather ironically now): @Undeadguy fair, I'll try and be better about that. To be real though I got A TON of people trying to talk to me right now and all their comments are getting jumbled in my head which isn't helping. I'm trying to hit on the ideas to conserve space, and not the people as much just so it's not personal ad much as can be expected, and y'all can just take or leave what you want. And I ramble anyway, further compounding the problem. Very stream of consciousness type of writer.

Back to my history post, scuse @Ardaedhel

On Riekan, as it will not surprise you, not all the things we say in our local groups make it into the forums. Around that time your looking I was probably still in school full time and working full time. My forum use was a bit more focused on other things and just liking posts while on brief breaks. It was such a foregone conclusion in my mind further commentary wasn't necessary. And then guess what. HE GOT NERFED!

On tractors, yup, you found one. Told you you would didn't I? Imagine that, an honest self assessment. So weird. Problem then was I got so burned back then in X-wing I had a huge reaction to them in Armada. Proved wrong, later used them for fun games. Like I said earlier "when I'm screwing around with Konstantine (rip tournament scoring)". Thank god they aren't THAT good. I feel like somewhere in there should even be a comment of how I overreacted, though many times I'll start working posts and then delete them as I get distracted and lose train of thought with work or whatever, and that may have been one of them. But for real dude major props on the search. Cherry pick some more. This is fun.

And clusters. In the words of Obi-wan "good job". Did you not notice the post was phrased in questions? Asking WHY we DIDN'T see them too often? And I quote "I feel like they [would be good]" and then held up no evidence to declare myself factually correct. Hmm, curious that. People were looking for responses to fighters in that thread, I was offering suggestions asking why they weren't considered. It's not like we had external racks back then, which are kinda obviously what they were hoping to do with CB but way the h#$@ better. Or raiders, which admittedly suck still. Didn't see many of those doing well at worlds did we. Hadn't stopped the forums from trying to prove otherwise. Also at the time my response to fighters, was duh fighters. I only engaged in the conversation to offer what my side of the equation was in personal experience. Never said they were Good as a card, just as a desirable effect for what they were trying to do if they could make it work. Heaven forbid I ask a question or offer a hypothetical solution for testing on a public forum. In fact, didn't they answer that later? I remember that thread being rather productive.

Am I the only one taking about how great the 75 is still? It'd be fun in a madine list. But no it's not OP. I want more reasons to use the Profundity with some new objectives though. That would be sweet.

@Roquax There had got to be more to that story and I'm dying to hear it. ? ? I need pics, if they cracked the Raddus code with Warlord, the world needs to know. ?

6 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

There had got to be more to that story and I'm dying to hear it. ? ? I need pics, if they cracked the Raddus code with Warlord, the world needs to know. ?

The Raddus code isn’t even that hard to crack...

1) Keep everything in front of you

2) Make EVERYWHERE a death zone to drop

thats it....

squadrons and objectives make the above two points even easier