MC75 ordnance cruiser OP?

By XR8rGREAT, in Star Wars: Armada

2 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

How have these flown for u? Ive never found ive needed the extra speed from Etechs and well, with trcs its starting at make a cr90 expensive.

Etechs aren't necessary, but if the point is to get across the board as fast as possible they're speed 5, effectively, with super maneuverability. If you have a tr-90 already set up that's a perfect raddus delivery boy. Use two as flankers, yavaris with fighters and a flotilla as you anvil. Between those three, drop the 75 hammer. That's the theory, I'd have to build a list to see if exactly that would work.

Still, if it does, how do you defend against that?

1 minute ago, Norsehound said:

Use two as flankers, yavaris with fighters and a flotilla as you anvil. Between those three, drop the 75 hammer.

That's exactly the same idea I've had for a Raddus build. I've tired with a Liberty etc as a front threat.. but I really want to try it with bombers.

4 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

Etechs aren't necessary, but if the point is to get across the board as fast as possible they're speed 5, effectively, with super maneuverability. If you have a tr-90 already set up that's a perfect raddus delivery boy. Use two as flankers, yavaris with fighters and a flotilla as you anvil. Between those three, drop the 75 hammer. That's the theory, I'd have to build a list to see if exactly that would work.

Still, if it does, how do you defend against that?

Dont know, games play differently at 600-800 pts, as a competitive player ?

4 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

That's exactly the same idea I've had for a Raddus build. I've tired with a Liberty etc as a front threat.. but I really want to try it with bombers.

Bombers and fighters give you the flexibility to respond in small areas that ships don't have. If you can find some survivable blockers you might be able to use yavaris bwings against a 75 drop, but those side arcs are big.

3 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

Dont know, games play differently at 600-800 pts, as a competitive player ?

Kinda like how vsds were nearly unassailable until 400 points and large ships regulated them to the dust shelves.

3 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

The only reason it didn't win Worlds is because the guy playing flew his most maneuverable ship, and indeed the most maneuverable ship in the game save for being admiraled by Madine, off the board, with his admiral, feed a ton of points into a meat grinder that he couldn't win and just handed then over, and then lost by like fifteen points because of it. Total rookie mistake. But I assure you, once you pick up some more practice and understanding of the game, you too will come to appreciate the simplistic ease of Raddus. And then young apprentice, your journey to the dark side will be complete.

Yeah, JJ is kind of a scrub. If he weren't so bad, Raddus would've totally filled those other three spots in the top 4. Too bad nobody competent showed up to Worlds.

For serious: if I'd gone, Mothma would've won it all.

And if Ifs and Nuts were candy and butts, we'd all have a Merry Life Day.

25 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Yeah, JJ is kind of a scrub. If he weren't so bad, Raddus would've totally filled those other three spots in the top 4. Too bad nobody competent showed up to Worlds.

For serious: if I'd gone, Mothma would've won it all.

And if Ifs and Nuts were candy and butts, we'd all have a Merry Life Day.

But he said he won all but one of his games with Raddus! CLEARLY he's the chosen Armada player, the one foretold by prophecy! And who are WE to argue with prophecy?

3 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

The only reason it didn't win Worlds is because the guy playing flew his most maneuverable ship, and indeed the most maneuverable ship in the game save for being admiraled by Madine, off the board, with his admiral, feed a ton of points into a meat grinder that he couldn't win and just handed then over, and then lost by like fifteen points because of it. Total rookie mistake.

Genuine question, are you aware of the identity of that player, or what very similar versions of that fleet have done in his hands?

3 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

The only reason it didn't win Worlds is because the guy playing flew his most maneuverable ship, and indeed the most maneuverable ship in the game save for being admiraled by Madine, off the board, with his admiral, feed a ton of points into a meat grinder that he couldn't win and just handed then over, and then lost by like fifteen points because of it. Total rookie mistake. But I assure you, once you pick up some more practice and understanding of the game, you too will come to appreciate the simplistic ease of Raddus. And then young apprentice, your journey to the dark side will be complete.

I'm sorry. Where did you place at Worlds? I will only accept criticism of world champions FROM world champions. Now, go take your sippy cup and sit in the corner and think about what you have said here today.....

8 minutes ago, geek19 said:

But he said he won all but one of his games with Raddus! CLEARLY he's the chosen Armada player, the one foretold by prophecy! And who      are WE to argue with prophecy?

I was trying to be nice. He does sound like he actually plays quite a bit and has thought about strategy etc. He just came on a little strong. I choose to believe that it came from a place of genuinely wanting me to be better and trying to educate me.

He also misunderstood my sarcasm and I won’t hold him accountable for that.

7 minutes ago, durandal343 said:

I was trying to be nice. He does sound like he actually plays quite a bit and has thought about strategy etc. He just came on a little strong. I choose to believe that it came from a place of genuinely wanting me to be better and trying to educate me.

He also misunderstood my sarcasm and I won’t hold him accountable for that.

No, you can have confidence while respecting others. I will need to see evidence of this before I believe @ForceSensitive wasn't just trying to be conceited.

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Just now, durandal343 said:

I was trying to be nice. He does sound like he actually plays quite a bit and has thought about strategy etc. He just came on a little strong. I choose to believe that it came from a place of genuinely wanting me to be better and trying to educate me.

He also misunderstood my sarcasm and I won’t hold him accountable for that.

That is fair, but he's like the 4th person i've heard recently who's declared Raddus OP as all get out and needs a nerf. And I disagree, so i may (did) have come on a little (definitely did) strong (apologies for retreating to sarcasm).

If the JJ thing was sarcasm on his part, then i definitely missed it. I'll totally call him a scrub all day long, though. So long as no one informs JJ of this thread and tells him i said he's a scrub, haha.

11 minutes ago, geek19 said:

That is fair, but he's like the 4th person i've heard recently who's declared Raddus OP as all get out and needs a nerf. And I disagree, so i may (did) have come on a little (definitely did) strong (apologies for retreating to sarcasm).

If the JJ thing was sarcasm on his part, then i definitely missed it. I'll totally call him a scrub all day long, though. So long as no one informs JJ of this thread and tells him i said he's a scrub, haha.

T is impolite to talk about someone who can't talk back though.

Just now, TallGiraffe said:

T is impolite to talk about someone who can't talk back though.

No, I PM'ed JJ and called him a scrub. We OBVIOUSLY have evidence....he knows....

13 hours ago, ISD Avenger said:

Didn’t I read you can get a double arc with a mc30 jumped in directly behind a ship (in guessing large base). That’s a lot of ouch.

That is accurate.

Obligatory @Tvayumat summons.

Spoilered because I can't help pontificating about the greatness of the shrimp, but don't want to derail the thread:

This is very nearly impossible to intentionally accomplish outside of a hyperspace drop (Hyperspace Assault, Raddus, or CC All Out Offensive). And HA/Raddus both give the opponent the opportunity to move before you get to activate the hyperspaced ship (apart from other factors, of course), which means it's extremely rare to get that shot.

To give you and idea of just how rare this is:

I fly MC30s a lot , and I have pulled this off without hyperspace once , thanks to a perfect storm of factors.

* My opponent deployed directly facing me
* I had him out-deployed
* he never turned his ship at all before the shot
* I was Player 1 and had last activation
* I deployed the MC30 in a very risky position to try for that shot
* I was reasonably sure my opponent lacked the experience to counter it
* It was at a Regionals, or I wouldn't have set up such a punishing move against a newer player

Even with all of that, the only reason I actually got the shot was by carefully lining up for it at deployment , and a whole lot of luck.

11 minutes ago, geek19 said:

That is fair, but he's like the 4th person i've heard recently who's declared Raddus OP as all get out and needs a nerf. And I disagree, so i may (did) have come on a little (definitely did) strong (apologies for retreating to sarcasm).

If the JJ thing was sarcasm on his part, then i definitely missed it. I'll totally call him a scrub all day long, though. So long as no one informs JJ of this thread and tells him i said he's a scrub, haha.

Hahaha yeah I wasn’t judging you. I was more having a “look at me” moment for taking the high road :)

Wow, just popping into this thread. Someone calling JJ a scrub. That's pretty funny.

@JJs Juggernaut get better noob. Your two World Cups and one World Championship clearly mean nothing.

7 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Wow, just popping into this thread. Someone calling JJ a scrub. That's pretty funny.

@JJs Juggernaut get better noob. Your two World Cups and one World Championship clearly mean nothing.

IT WAS MOODSWING!

(Moves to Atlanta, starts new life.)

"geek19? Never heard of him. Leia's not good, I only play Raddus...."

(single tear falls down cheek)

Knowing JJ, that is so hilarious. Like he's gonna pop up in here and John Gotti folks.....lol

3 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

Knowing JJ, that is so hilarious. Like he's gonna pop up in here and John Gotti folks.....lol

If you say his name 3 times he appears. Wait, that might be Michael Keaton.

5 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

The only reason it didn't win Worlds is because the guy playing flew his most maneuverable ship, and indeed the most maneuverable ship in the game save for being admiraled by Madine, off the board, with his admiral, feed a ton of points into a meat grinder that he couldn't win and just handed then over, and then lost by like fifteen points because of it. Total rookie mistake. But I assure you, once you pick up some more practice and understanding of the game, you too will come to appreciate the simplistic ease of Raddus. And then young apprentice, your journey to the dark side will be complete.

Alrighty. First off, everyone keeps ******* about my flying the Raddus CR90 off the board...can we just move past that, it had ZERO impact on the game. The reason I lost is because of the singular reason of turning the MC75 inward instead of outward after killing Rieekan. As long as I didn't lose the 75, I could lose Tycho, a GR-75, and my flagship CR90 and still win the game. Those were all planned losses, the CR90 either was going off the board, or flying straight into 2 Hammerheads and bombers. I decided to risk going off the board on the small chance I could make the maneuver. But as stated before, that was a moot point. If you want to criticize, at least understand the game state correctly...

3 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Alrighty. First off, everyone keeps ******* about my flying the Raddus CR90 off the board...can we just move past that, it had ZERO impact on the game. The reason I lost is because of the singular reason of turning the MC75 inward instead of outward after killing Rieekan. As long as I didn't lose the 75, I could lose Tycho, a GR-75, and my flagship CR90 and still win the game. Those were all planned losses, the CR90 either was going off the board, or flying straight into 2 Hammerheads and bombers. I decided to risk going off the board on the small chance I could make the maneuver. But as stated before, that was a moot point. If you want to criticize, at least understand the game state correctly...

Clearly you need to just git as gud as ForceSensitive you pleb ? ?

5 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Alrighty. First off, everyone keeps ******* about my flying the Raddus CR90 off the board...can we just move past that, it had ZERO impact on the game. The reason I lost is because of the singular reason of turning the MC75 inward instead of outward after killing Rieekan. As long as I didn't lose the 75, I could lose Tycho, a GR-75, and my flagship CR90 and still win the game. Those were all planned losses, the CR90 either was going off the board, or flying straight into 2 Hammerheads and bombers. I decided to risk going off the board on the small chance I could make the maneuver. But as stated before, that was a moot point. If you want to criticize, at least understand the game state correctly...

You have to expect a lot of flak when you are the only person ever to fly a ship off the board*

You'll never catch me or @ForceSensitive doing that*, is all I'm saying...

*playing in top 4 cut of worlds

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

When I play Ackbar, I need range control planning and kill zone planning and extreme precision with placement and maneuvering and stacking of some abilities knowledge.

This is true for every fleet. You can't go bumbling into range of your opponent and expect to win.

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

With Dodonna/Riekan-squads I have to be on point with my squadron play and planning my Intel units out and ranging in the Yavaris strike while maintaining formation.

This is true for every max squad fleet, and it's why these games take so long to play.

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

When I'm screwing around with Konstantine (rip tournament scoring) I have to plan out careful obstacle deployment, just to plan out it's rearrangement, and maneuvering around that, and the speed zero trap, and mindfulness of the objectives.

Give up on Konstantine. Obstacle placement is important for every fleet.

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Madine, takes a skill of understanding maneuvering charts that are multiplied in complexity by the max speed of the ship your using in his fleet, as of you had a while new chart to plan with.

This is true for every fleet. You should understand how each ships moves in order to maximize effectiveness.

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Dodonna again requires familiarity with the crits in the deck to know which one will truly be the most profitable.

There is no skill involved in this. It's basically RNG. You pick the best crit that presents itself. You don't have to be #armadapro to pick structural damage.

Your entire post is posturing, and it's almost as if you believe the forums to be a bunch of noobs and we are trying to reach your level of awesomeness. And the ironic part is you called a world champ a rookie. Ruined all credibility you might have had with that statement. What's next, you're going to explain how dice rolling works and why an ISD can destroy ships with a single attack?

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Conversely, being a fairly skilled player, out of a dozen games with him, I have lost one. Against (surprise!) Another Raddus. Out of the dozen games, eight of them I tabled my opponent.

15 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

But Raddus!? No. Not skill. #$&@ I didn't even have practice games with him. 

Do you have any data to support these statements?

11 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Your entire post is posturing, and it's almost as if you believe the forums to be a bunch of noobs and we are trying to reach your level of awesomeness.

Wasnt even me doing this

22 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Wasnt even me doing this

The difference is you actually believe we are all noobs... ?