56 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Thats the problem though, jumpmasters weren’t terrors in the hands of newbs or the unskilled. The problem happens when good players figure out it’s too good and abuse the **** out of it. Do you think spike players will magically want to start playing harder lists? No. Then it takes someone of Heavers obviously skill level to topple them so the forums can scream “See it’s beatable!” Well of course it is if you have Patton level leadership against some crazy dictator. Bottom line is it’s not ok but there is very little anyone can do but ***** about it so we do.

Addendum: jumpmasters cause problems on lower levels as well. With equaully skilled players, it is always a problem.

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Sorry, but this is a dumb opinion

It's a game, and a well balanced game should not be dominated by anything.

1. If I had to give odds on who and what the first responce to this thread would be I would have given anyone 50 to 1 it would be you saying exactly what you said.

2. Your point about a balanced game is completely valid, and when I play, I fly everything so I always want balance. But I got into this game because in 1977 my mom took me to see a movie not because I am hyper competitve about miniature or war strategy games (And I would wager that I am not alone in that).

3. Opinions are based on personal experience and feelings. No opinion is ever dumb, they just may be based off of things you do not understand or agree with. You saying an opinion is dumb is a dumb opinion and is the exception that proves the rule. And saying sorry before insulting someone doesn't make anyone think you are actually sorry.

4. See my disclaimer in original post. After a month or two of seeing my favorite pilots win, the childhood novelty will wear off and I will be screaming for cost adjustments, upgrade nerfs, etc like everyone else.

Final note, I am not the least bit upset nor do I actually feel insulted. I have been laughing out loud on my lunch break here at work reading all these responces. I had no intention of stirring the pot. Sorry everyone.

"Best pilots from the movies"

"Soontir Fel"

Hmmm......

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

I would not agree

Part of the beauty of 2.0 is how well they've dealt with high ps, super modded arcdodgers (action chaining, difficulty in stacking mods, evade nerf etc)

Only Interceptors can keep boost+roll at leasiure, and he is at a tiny fraction of his 1.0 token stacking power

Even then, broll got adjusted to make it less effective

There is zero need for 1.0 turets at any level of skill. All they'll do is make things more frustrating when they're used against new players, as now fat turrets return to being the best arcdodgers in the game

I know how to counter Han+Luke!!!!

We need to make a small ship secondary turret, that lets you shoot out of arc, and should work best against big fatties and not small arc-dodgers, so it should roll 3 red dice, but only give 1 damage and then be allowed a bonus attack. Lets call it Twin-Laser-Turret and cost it at 12 points.

I’m excited to run a list with Luke and Han! Especially with the Obi Wan crew card! Han and Obi Wan on the Falcon and Luke in his T-65!! Gonna be fun!

Just to clarify what I meant by "dominate" in this topic, I dont want 7 Hans in the Top 8 at worlds. No one does. What I would LOVE to see though is a Luke/Wedge and a Vader/Black squadron and a Han/Luke and a Soontir/Carnor and a Palp Shuttle/Vader Deci and a Wedge/Garven, etc. I want diversity but wouldn't it be great if a non-gaming Star Wars fan stumbled across a worlds video and got to watch Han shoot at Vader and Vader shoot at Wedge and Wedge shoot at Fel. You think mayne they might be tempted to buy into the game?

11 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

"Best pilots from the movies"

"Soontir Fel"

Hmmm......

You got me. While some scources have retconed the 181st to be present at Endor, he is more of a book one for me.

47 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

"Best pilots from the movies"

"Soontir Fel"

Hmmm......

He's in Rotj

Good luck spotting him, though

I vote final table Dallas Parker tie swarm vs Paul heaver 4 ship rebel. Give Dallas a chance at revenge! (Unless Doug Kinney wants to come back to relive the first X-Wing worlds at the first second edition worlds :p)

8 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

I vote final table Dallas Parker tie swarm vs Paul heaver 4 ship rebel. Give Dallas a chance at revenge! (Unless Doug Kinney wants to come back to relive the first X-Wing worlds at the first second edition worlds :p)

Oh you think an American player might stand a chance? How quaint.

I've had this interaction happen to me at a FLGS:

Playing X-wing, I was running some Gunboats and something else I can't quite remember. Opponent was running Dengar and a Shadowcaster, can't really remember the squad. My friend who doesn't play X-wing came in and started to observe our game.

Him - "What are those ships?"

Me - "Those are Gunboats, they were in the Tie Fighter video game from the early 90s."

Him -"Never seen those before, wait, what the heck is that?" He pointed to the Jumpmaster.

Me - "That's a Jumpmaster 5000, it's Dengar's ship. He was in the Empire Strikes Back, one of the bounty hunters on the bridge of the Super Star Destroyer."

Him - "I don't remember that ship in the movie."

Me - "That's because it wasn't"

Him - "It looks really dumb. Looks like a little kid drew up the design."

Me - "Yeah... I can't argue with that."

Give me X-wings and Tie Fighters all day long.

Replace Luke with Wedge

Where is boba fett ?

I think it is worth noting that if all ships and upgrades are perfectly balanced then it will appear that the most loved and/or iconic ships are superior. If all things are equal and a disproportionate number of players are using Vader or Han, then Vader and Han will be in a disproportionate number of winning lists. Hopefully FFG will be able to distinguish between popularity and power.

My opinion- ALL opinions are dumb.

Facts are generally obvious enough not to brook a lot of argument.

I'd like Han/Luke Falcon and Vader to be very strong. Should be a frisson of fear when rolling up against a 'hero' ship. Oh you lined up 4 TIEs for me... don't mind if I do.

They'll just have to be very expensive. And yet beatable. Neither of these aspects are factual yet though.

16 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

He's in Rotj

Good luck spotting him, though

Fel's Wrath apparently has out-of-cockpit screen time, so Fel is probably in that scene as well, but might be just off camera.